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You fill a very specific function. Know your roll damn it!

If we are throwing around Lucky star related things

The people who conceived the idea, those that participate in it and those that like the subject deserved to be destroyed. That idea only makes humanity step backwards towards monkeys (monkeys eat their shit). Usually, I'm open minded but, fuck that.

Agreed but, either one is good. On second thought, titanium teeth that look pristine white. Never mind the titanium body, I want to get laid again eventually. I doubt ladies would be attracted to a shiny robotic looking body with a horribly cold penis. Every time they have sex they would feel like they are getting a pap-smear.

You'll crash, or possibly die. Which makes me wonder. If you consistently stay up long hours (24+) over long stretches of time. Will it have adverse effects? If yes, then I gotta add that to my list.

Same except smoking and drugs. If I channeled the energy I put into (or don't put into) those things. I could change the world. That, or get a job. Lets start with the job before moving on to change the world..yeah, that sounds good.

I don't see a "culture" with being blind or deaf. Its a illness that 80-90% of sufferers can be cured of. Diseases cause the problem

cataracts (47.8%),
glaucoma (12.3%),
uveitis (10.2%),
age-related macular degeneration (AMD) (8.7%),
trachoma (3.6%),
corneal opacity (5.1%), and
diabetic retinopathy (4.8%)

If we can fix it then its inhumane in my idea to force them to stay that way unless they choose to. Hence why I get irritated with Christians who say "God, made you that way. So you should stay that way". Medicine exists to cure illnesses. Being blind or deaf is no different.

Saying there is a culture to being blind or deaf is like saying there is a culture to polio or having a limb amputated.

(I apologize for the double post but, the previous one was long enough)



I'm not for extreme free market economics (Industrial revolution and such things like Whitelion mentioned)

Exactly, what do you disagree with in the Constitution (I was really referencing the bill of rights). So which right do you believe we don't need? Would it be the right to assemble? The freedom of the press? Freedom of religion? The freedom of petition? The right to a trial by your peers? Prohibiting the federal government from depriving any person of life, liberty, or property without, due process of law. The right against unlawful search and seizure. The right against cruel and unusual punishment.

Man, I can see it now. Those are just terrible, terrible things.

I also disagree with isolationism but, I also don't believe we should have troops in every corner of the world.

Apparently, equal opportunity is the mentality that we should all have the equal opportunity to depend on the Governments handout programs.


Ever hear of food drives and the salvation army? They exist and are willing to help if you ask nicely. They are more efficient in aid than the government and they have less money to throw around. If we earned that little bit less. My parents would have gone to them for some food.

Someone being born poor can achieve the entire world (Oprah, J.K. Rolling, Jim Carey, P. Diddy, Celene Dion). You teach your children to work hard, be honest and never give up hope. Just because someones family did something to have money either by working harder, saving, cutting out things they didn't need,etc does that mean because someone in your family didn't do it that means the other family must suffer because your family squandered their chance?[/quote]




The "Welfare Queen" isn't a myth, Nacey Pelosi's "People working a minimum wage job and supporting a family" is a myth. Nobody can support a family on minimum wage because minimum wage jobs are Fast Food and similar jobs. Honestly, if you work at McDonalds at the cash register or work the Fry-a-lator you shouldn't have a family.




I should rephrase: "Recent Federal Government has failed the people at every turn'. Implying that since the Carter administration the government has failed us on massive scales. Though a few highlights from each administration do make the case that they weren't all bad. Though the cons far outweigh the pros of those admins.




I agree with this idea. I disagree with Libertarian platform on the subject of Unions (I was a member of a Union for a time) though I dislike the GM and Ford Unions demanding $50/hr paychecks. Which has choked the thin "profits" the company gets whenever it actually is in the black. I don't want totally unbridled Free market economics. I do not want a return to the Rockefeller era but, I do want minimal government interference. No Government bailouts, if a company fails then let it fail instead of taking over it (Freddie Mac and Fanny May). Just like the people, you succeed or fail based on your own merits, decisions, and actions. Make laws to protect the people from being hurt/coerced/etc. Make laws to prevent discrimination on sex,race,etc. Write laws that prevent companies from intimidating their employees like how Wal-mart will intimidate and harass its employees if they try to start a union,etc
I do like the idea of minimum wage laws as long as they are reasonable. $7.15/hr isn't reasonable, high school and college students don't need to earn 300/wk assuming Full time student/Job since I know many of those. If you are older than the norm for college students then you should have another job that pays more than McDonalds or Burger King.

@Ramsus: I do believe voting for another party will help. Maybe no just one vote but, if more people vote for another party instead of basically voting for the same thing. Then you will bring about change. Voting Democrat or Republican and expecting things to change is like putting your hand on a burning stove top and expecting things to be any different.
Voting either Democrat or Republican is the status quo. If you want anything to really change. Then vote somewhere else and get the corrupt, special interest pandering politicians of both parties out of office.

So I take it your against smaller government, lower taxes on all social classes, Free market economics, ownership of personal property, maintaining the rights granted by the constitution, America becoming isolationist and not constantly at war with other nations, increase in personal privacy rather than domestic spy programs (anti-patriot act), removing government interference on abortion, removal of subsidies of industries to allow them to prosper of fail on their own merits?

I see, then we are on two very different wavelengths and debating is useless since our two different logic are like comparing apples and oranges.

On the subject of the gap of rich and poor. The rich do things to continue to make them rich such as invest and manage their money properly. The poor continue to not save money and in reality just waste it rather than put it in the proper places. Buying $20 worth of lottery tickets a week isn't a good plan for retirement or investment. While there are some people where they just can't get a break but, no system is perfect. This idiotic idea of redistribution of wealth will just prove without a doubt that the smart people will invest and save money while the idiots do the opposite. Even with income redistribution the smart and ambitious will succeed while the dependent and weak will continue to hold out their hands for money. The only way to make that not come true is to remove ownership of everything and place it in the hands of the government. Remove wages to make everyone work to get only the basic 3 meals, a place to live, a passable education. Only then will you remove any gap between poor and rich because we'll all be poor at that point.

Before you go and say "You don't know what the poor have to go through, you don't understand their struggles".

Let me give you a little story. When I was born my parents we beyond dirt poor. It took my parents over a year to save up to buy a regular NES at the time the super NES was out which was in the early 90's. We were so poor that my school lunches were free. With hard work from both of my parents we were able to climb up the economic ladder, from a point of earning $1000 less a year we would have been food stamp dependent to the point both of my parents earned 1k a week a piece. So from food stamps to a combined income of over 100k. The proverbial rags to riches story but,its doesn't end there. In the year 2001 my parents lost their jobs (worked at the same company). We had just bought a new $80,000 Winnebago. We fell so far behind in payments the RV was repossessed. My family had to declare chapter 13 bankruptcy we lost our home. My parents found new jobs delivering straight trucks (Ryder, U-Haul, Penske) and Rv's for a living. Around 2003 my father fell ill with pneumonia and nearly died. After three months in the hospital he came out and it took him 7 months to get to the point he could actually leave the house. During that time I worked in a chemical manufacturer (Enforcer Brand Products) to help make ends meet since my parents worked in a team for their job if one is down the other is down as well. Basically, I worked to keep food on the table while our bills which included a $1,300 monthly bankruptcy payment a 1,2000 a month rent,etc. Eventually he recovered and started to work again, slowly but, steadily. In 2004 on thanksgiving he had a heart attack. Several more months in the hospital for him. In 2005 my mother was hospitalized with heart problems due to a combination of a childhood illness and smoking. Two values needed to be repaired while a third needed to be replaced. She was hospitalized for three months and they did open heart surgery while had her down for six weeks...I think. Several months later she had the middle toe on her right foot amputated due to a clot cutting off circulation. In 2006 my father had a second heart attack. He was also required to have open heart surgery to have a bypass done since one of his arteries was 90% blocked. During the operation they didn't use a filter (to catch clots and other things). Blood clot broke free from somewhere and embedded itself in his right eye and he lost most of his sight in his right eye. To give you an idea how much he kept. Hold a dime about 1 inch to 1 1/2 inches from your right eye. He sees that little area of that dime, the rest is black.

The entire time through all those medical procedures which we were uninsured we had to pay 2,500 a month (bankruptcy and rent) along with two vehicle payments, three insurance policies, Utilities,etc.

After all that please excuse me when I'm skeptical when people use the excuse "But, my medical expenses...." Go fuck yourself. My parents did it and if they can do it some jack off can do it but, they won't because they don't want to work for it.



I have actually watched his movies (and Al Gore's) and I think he's an idiot whose arrogance dwarfs his size. While I agree that something needs to be done about the system I believe the answer is to get the federal governments fat, money grubbing fingers out of it and let the companies do what they do best. Hell even walmart the fucking devil company offers health insurance plans. They are fixing the problem and we don't need some incompetent politician at the helm. The Federal Government has failed the people at every turn so their track record speaks for itself.

Your trying to decide which pile of shit looks less like a pile of shit. Obama is a Marxist and any American who doesn't want to make the founding fathers roll over in their graves wouldn't vote for him. Just listen and add logic to what he says anyone who votes for him and says they have been listening I tell them this "You have been listening but, you haven't been hearing what he is saying". The only redeeming trait about him is the fact he is pro-choice. Other than that he's a piece of shit.

McCain is possibly the worse republican ever since hoover but, the bright side is that he is the worse republican ever. Since he is such a weak republican (by party standards) that means he is less likely to follow party lines and is willing to compromise with people across the aisle. Hardcore republicans call McCain a liberal republican which besides sounding like an oxymoron is actually a good thing. He's closer to the center in all the party bullshit. The downside to McCain is he believes that life begins at conception.

Either way they both suck and I honestly want neither of them as the next president.

A suggestion to fix this. After these elections get out there and inform the average idiot that they can and should vote a third party since the current system is just "Pick the lesser of two evils". All these politicians will lie to keep their cushy jobs. The only real way to bring about change is to make these parties actually stop their infighting and put the people before the party like it should be.

Just the way things happened. Technically, we have a three party system but, the third party is a fledgling so it hasn't had time to grow even though it is arguably the oldest party since many of the founding fathers like Thomas Jefferson were libertarians. In recent years the party has begun to grow and began what felt like a grassroots movement (usually tied with the FairTax system as a political platform)

America has a Socialist/Communist party, a Green party (environmentalist), Anarchist party, Libertarian (Bob Barr), Constitutional party (Ron Paul),etc,etc

Tokyo Tribes 2. You can thank me...or hate me for it. I was curious so I looked it up and I found the answer on some random forum

The United States Government defines "middle class" as anyone making less than 75,000 a year. So 50,000 is actually a bit low for upper middle class. Earning $23/hr working a 40/hr work week will only net roughly 47,000. How many people do you know earn 23+ dollars an hour?

While it may be true that we have fewer social programs in comparison to Europe. I see that as a good thing. America was always a place of hard work equals success. Obama, Nancy Pelosi,etc claim they pulled themselves up by the bootstraps. Yet, the very same people tell their followers that you can't succeed without the governments help.

While I agree that the democrats have been throwing money away like a compulsive gambler and that the money we give them needs to be spent more wisely. I disagree with you (with a fiery passion) that taxes need to be raised. Taxes are like a noose around the neck of the economy. Every time the taxes are raised the noose it tightened. Eventually, the government will hang itself by over taxing people and people just won't be able to afford the standard of living.

The more sane philosophy is actually cut spending, cut taxes, get rid of this notion the because Europe did it that means America is obligated to follow. Also need to let go of the skirt of the nanny state.

Its actually the hospital that picks up the tab on the uninsured that go to a hospital. If they are homeless, poor or illegal immigrants they all get service and the price is passed on to the paying customer of the hospital such as myself when I go to the doctor for a check up. The government is involved at the Medicare and Medicaid level which FYI has a 31% fraud rate since the Government approves everyone. Medicare and Medicaid are already funded by the tax payers and that is another problem when it comes to those two programs.

This idea of redistributing the "risk" to the healthier people so the people who either have a preventable illness (cancer) or just don't take care of themselves (Obesity). So a healthy individual like myself or my friends that rarely require hospital visits and the few visits we make are purely elective "just in case" visits. Why is it fair for me to pay for them? which is part of the morality argument. My take on this is personal responsibility. If you are willing to take care of yourself and keep yourself healthy then you should suffer for your decision.

The concept of "free" college "Free" health care,etc is failing in logic. Nothing in this world is free. The phrase "There is no free lunch" someone is going to foot the bill somewhere. Which means higher taxes and a bigger drain on the economy. If democrats or liberals want socialized medicine then get rid of Medicare, Medicaid, and Social security. By removing those bloated, and ineffective programs you would free up enough money to pay for socialized medicine but, you can't how those three programs AND social medicine. Social security alone will start eating up the budget and money will be harder to move around and the idiots in the federal government will just raise taxes again and again as if that is some miracle solution.

For America: Bigger Government is NEVER the answer. The government can't handle the money it has properly. How are we to expect that they will get their act together for a program like that. The current state of our country is so pathetic that people are actually trying to find a way to migrate onto the open ocean to get away from the madness that has infected the populace.

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Its because you love me. Admit it. :wink:

I'm sure there is a large social difference between America and the rest of the world. I am also sure those government don't hemorrhage money like America. I'm also sure that those government haven't given them a deficit as large as ours. Currently the Debt the government has is 9 trillion (The projected budget for 2009 is 3.1 trillion). This along with our trade deficit and dragging out economy down the proverbial shiter. Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security are eating up money like a fat man at a buffet. If we trashed these programs then we could easily fund Universal health care and mimic the French by allowing public and private funds to give everyone coverage. The problem is that the American idiots won't let go of their hand out programs. Unless we cut the Governments rampant spending and get our economy back to its Juggernaut status that it used to be then we could have Universal Health care.

-The value of the dollar is dropping due to our national debt and trade deficits.

-Americans are too used to the Nanny State Government that we currently have and show no initiative to strike out on their own. Since politicians constantly tell them that they can't succeed without Government handouts.

-Americans have an insurmountable mountain of health problems and that would only put huge drains on the economy and it would only get worse.

I won't do the math for you but,an example is my Father. Two heart attacks, overall medical costs are 1 million dollars. One man has had 1 million dollars sunk into him. Now think about how many Americans are just like him with their medical costs. Add on the amount of cancer patients that need treatment, tack on the hospital visits for the unhealthy (obese, heart disease,etc). You can figure out the rest that require treatments.

Americans simply can't survive forking over 50% of our income in taxes. The average income for an American is $50,000 of less. Forking over half of their income would reduce the "upper middle class" to below our poverty rate. Two income household (each member earning 50k) would come out at 50k after taxes.

In a nutshell. Universal Health care is a noble goal but, just not one America can achieve right now without causing greater problems than the ones we currently face.

She's referring to me... Since I am arguably the most political American on these forums.



Fair warning this may get long. I'll try to break it up and organize it as best as I can.

To start off: I'm not a Republican/Conservative/Neo-con/whateverthefuckliberalscallthepeoplewhodisagreewiththemnowadays

Health care: Currently 17 cents out of every dollar earned is spent on Health care. The projected totals by 2017 is expected to be 1 out of every five dollars will be spent on health care. His overall plan is very vague (i.e. lacking specific details) but, one aspect is crystal clear; He wants to expand the size of the Government to do this. That means a whole army of new Government employees and more bureaucracy in relation to the health care system. Obamas plan is below

-Mandatory Health care for Children
-Expand Medicare and State Children Health Insurance Program (SCHIP).
-Businesses that don't provide health care will be assessed a fee based on a percent of their pay roll.

Current estimates place the cost of covering the 47 Million uninsured Americans at a price tag of more than $50billion a year. There is also another downside to his plan. Its not mandatory for adults, that means that younger healthy workers (like myself) will forgo buying into the plan to save money. The idea is that if we all pay a little that means that everyone will be covered. So his health care isn't "Universal" like the other Democratic candidates. Its basically your insurance company except your insurance company is the Federal Government.

Another point is the Businesses being "assessed" a fee based on a percentage of their pay roll. Larger companies like General Motors, Ford, Google,etc already give health care benefits to their employees. The companies that will be effected are small businesses. American business is made up by roughly 60-70% small to medium sized businesses instead of the large companies like Wal-mart and Etc since they do not pay taxes in America (explained below). So these little companies can't afford to pay benefits like that and it would force many of them out of business which leads to higher unemployment.

You think Canada's health care system is so great? A typical Canadian seeking surgical or other therapeutic treatment had to wait 18.3 weeks in 2007. In America you have to wait roughly 3 weeks for cancer treatment. Think about waiting 18 weeks before your first shot of Kemo? Canada is already slow in its health care and it doesn't have nearly as many people as the United States.
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Education:
-Reform the "No Child Left Behind law"
-Free college
-Apposes "school vouchers"

Senator Obama wants to reform the No Child Left Behind law (NCLB). As most of the school graduates of the last few years have noticed. Out education has dropped from "mediocre" or outright embarrassing. The problem with NCLB was the fact it lowered the standards so everyone would pass. As most of us have noticed it seems like the graduating classes are getting dumber every semester. The reason being is this particular legislation forces the schools to hold the hands of the idiotic and the ones who refuse to do anything but, act out in class to disrupt it because he/she doesn't want to be there. His idea to better this program is to give it more funding. More funding to the program and better pay for the teachers.

Currently the average pay for a teacher is $51,000 a year with several months of vacation when students are on summer vacation. Just an FYI someone earning $20/hr working 40hrs a week every week for 52 weeks earns roughly 47,000+/-. Teachers have it a lot easier than it is portrayed.

He wants to provide free college to all people. He may have changed his stance on this but, last time I read anything it was free college so I'll debunk that. Colleges are a business, their business is to provide you a better education in exchange for money. The general view is the more expensive the college the better the education (Harvard, Yale,etc vs Devry,etc). These places can't hand out things for free otherwise as a business they will fail to afford the salaries of their employees and will have to close.

Another point is, think how expensive it is to go to college. Now think of how many students are entering college every semester. If college is "free" where is the money coming from to pay for this? The tax payers, which means higher taxes.

Apposes school vouchers: "A school voucher, also called an education voucher, is a certificate issued by the government by which parents can pay for the education of their children at a school of their choice, rather than the public school (UK state school) to which they are assigned."
Here's the wiki, its too long to explain already http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_vouchers#United_States
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Social security:
-Stabilize social security

Social security was a good idea at the time. Now, its an outdated system that has become the proverbial window. His only real suggestion was to give it more funding. Throwing money at the "window" isn't a solution. Currently S.S. is funded through our taxes (look at your paycheck). Current estimates believe S.S. have its cash flow choked when baby boomers begin to hit the retiring age around 201- and will continue to see more and more every year until 2025. All while the pool of tax payers shrinks. in 1950 each retiree's benefits were distrubed across 16 tax payers. So 16 working people paid for one person. Today its 3.3 workers per retiree and it'll only get worse.

Obama plans to give this bad idea an emergency cash infusion. As we all can tell throwing cash at the problem won't make it go away. Around 2018 S.S. will use up its $100 billion and congress will have to find billions more to fund the program. From there, the annual demands will reach first $200 billion a year, and soon $300 billion a year (Random Fact: The Iraq war costs $120 Billion a year). In 2006 the Government had a revenue of $2.3 trillion. Think of everything the government pays for, Paychecks of Senators, president, government employees, buildings, roads, National defense, social programs,etc and yet they overspent that revenue. They spent a total of 2.7 trillion. Hard to believe isn't it? The amount money that goes out the door to pay for old people.
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Taxes: Did you know that middle class America pays 33 cents out of every dollar in Federal taxes? Kinda hurts when you look at your paycheck doesn't it? If we pay 33% out of every dollar then how much do the "rich" people pay. Have a look http://www.heritage.org/research/features/BudgetChartBook/fed-rev-spend-2008-boc-T4-The-Top-10-Percent-of-Income.html Remember the Government works in Trillions...with a T.

We bitch about paying taxes? At least we aren't getting prison raped. In comparison the top 1% are getting violently raped by a guy with a horse dick while the average Joe (50K and down) is only getting his junk fondled. Heavy Progressive Income Tax is one of the ten steps of communism. Look into the U.S. Government and Obama's "Change". See how many more you can spot!

Obama wants to raise taxes on that 1% and repeal the tax cuts. Then close the "corporate loopholes" that exist. Those "corporate loopholes" exist because the companies don't want to pay outrageous taxes. Remember that comment I made earlier in the Health care bit about companies like Wal-mart not paying taxes in America? Its because our taxes are ridiculously high so companies pay taxes in a country that has lower taxes. Basically, our high taxes are making companies leave the U.S. (thus why jobs are leaving as well) so they don't have to pay these huge taxes. Current estimates place all the money that these companies are paying into other countries is somewhere in the trillions. That is trillions of dollars that the government could receive but, because of the governments greed those companies leave. Want more tax income? lower the taxes and encourage companies to come here (if out taxes or lower then companies will flock to us to avoid high taxes thus more money for us).

Ever hear the question "Which is more: being given one million dollars, or one penny the first day, double that penny the next day, then double the previous day's pennies and so on for a month?"

That the logic. Sure High taxes will get you that million dollars but, with lower taxes and more money being earned, paid and spent will be like the doubling penny.

If that doesn't change your mind go ahead put up your Che Guevara pictures and begin singing since on the current path we will become the U.S.S.A

(I'll put up more when I have the time)

Blonde fetish is overdone in my opinion. I'm more into the raven haired beauties myself (part of the reason I like Asians)

"I'm not Emo, I'm cutting myself to let the weakness out of my body."

P.S. I want that shirt.

I'm not the cliche' American that likes Asians. The physical characteristics of Asians are just my personal preference. I'm even attracted to the non-Asians that look like they have the same physical characteristics.

Come to America and I'll show you around. I'll even show you the women to avoid so you don't end up in a bathtub full of ice with mysterious scars on your sides

I want to have sex with your women. All of them, well a hand full of exceptions but, a good 80-90% of them.