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If you do more research on the practices of HAMAS, you will find that indoctrination may not play as big a role as you claim. Sure, they try, but they also offer payment to their soldiers, especially suicide bombers, whose families receive pretty significant chunks of money and support. If you are starving and living in a hellish warzone, you might decide that it is worth it to become a terrorist for the money, even if you are apathetic to the cause. Maybe you die, but then your family might be able to survive and get a better life.

If HAMAS's indoctrination program is as powerful as you say, then they shouldn't need to spend money recruiting and paying their terrorists. Every child should be jumping for joy at the thought of blowing up infidels, and HAMAS should be spending the money on more weapons or something. Clearly, HAMAS realizes that these economic incentives are necessary to get the number of pawns and foot soldiers they need. This is an area where HAMAS is vulnerable, and successfully attacking this weakness would be more effective than years of Israeli offensives.

You are absolutely right that simply throwing large amounts of money or consumable supplies directly at local or national governments is a waste, because of corruption and the government being run by either terrorists or groups that find it in their interest for terrorist activity to continue. How then does one attack this vulnerability successfully? Invest in infrastructure, schools, hospitals, affordable housing, and so forth in Palestine. This both creates benefits useful to the populace that HAMAS cannot easily or usefully commandeer, and has the potential to create employment for the population. What can HAMAS do? Blow up the roads, hospitals, and houses built for their own populace? It puts them in a difficult spot. If they do nothing, then the peoples' lives are bettered and the economic incentives to become terrorists are less appealing. If they destroy the improvements, then they will hurt their local support. I know I wouldn't support a group of self proclaimed "freedom fighters" if they had blown up my local hospital. The best they can do is try to kill the aid workers to intimidate the countries supplying aid to pull out, which is what Al-Qaeda has been doing in Iraq.

So, my strategy for Israel would be to use its military forces sparingly, with precision, defensively, and more patiently while working with the UN to improve infrastructure and services as explained above. It's a long term strategy that requires patience, and doesn't satiate the immediate thirst by some for retributive justice. But unlike years of terrorism and counter-terrorism, I think it could actually yield results.

Fiery, I explained by proposal to you, so I am interested to hear how you think Israel and the UN/NATO/the West should proceed. I stated in my previous post the reasons which make me think that simply crushing Palestine militarily would not be effective(short of a theocide/genocide scenario involving killing basically everyone outside Israel in the middle east that will never happen). Do you think otherwise? If not, what should be done?

:shock: The second ago I think it doesn't exist...now my eyes is opened thanks

Japanese really have EVERYTHING...

It's... not really that hard. -_-

I don't know much about the Israeli/Palestinian conflict, so I haven't said anything in this thread. But I have occasionally looked, and this stood out to me. It seems like it deserves its own thread, but I'm a lazy, lazy man (at least, right now).

How does one say that this sort of invasion plan is bad without sounding xenophobic or racist? I'll be completely honest; this "peaceful" plan disturbs me greatly. I don't mind people of different elasticities living in my town, but I wouldn't be happy if 60% of my neighborhood suddenly turned into one single ethnicity. I don't think white people should rule the world or be the vast majority in any area, but I don't think any single ethnicity should, whether they're Asian, English, or Middle-Eastern. If there's a political or religious agenda, that makes it even worse.

But how do you fight something like this? America's having problems with people coming up from Latin America, but the problem mainly involves legality and people not speaking English. If everyone came in legally and spoke English, the problem wouldn't be as big. But the Hispanics and Latinos also aren't trying to change the American society.

It just feels fucked up, to know that this sort of thing can happen.

G4 sucks.

I've never expressed sympathy toward Israelis? Are you kidding? Go back through the thread and you will see that I've mentioned that I pray for the innocent on both sides, but that I simply don't think that this "conflict" is the solution to the problem.

Hamas may have brought this on itself, but not on the ENTIRETY of the Gaza Strip. Those children who's pictures are posted-- most of them need limbs amputated, due to infection. That already sucks. You know what makes it worse though? That the hospitals don't have sufficient anesthesia to sever their limbs because of the blockade. The red cross calls that a war crime. An international body. Just because I say that this is a disgusting reality doesn't mean that I'm being one-sided in my perspective :/

If Hamas continually launches rockets into Israeli territory, it's because they see it as defense. And anyway, how many Israelis have been killed by the rockets? 4? There's a huge discrepancy in the # of deaths.

That's not to say that I'm OK with them launching rockets... but I'm also not OK with the destruction of Gaza.

*Fpod's Army*

If you gonna elope, you gotta go as far as possible from your home!!!!!

Forget Vegas, make it Hawaii. Or Amsterdam. Or even Antartica.
I'm sure FPOD would like his shotgun wedding to be witnessed by many of his brethren.

Hmmm, i've been thinking about something lately.....

It might just my feeling, but i smell something fishy about the conflict's publication.

All my friends in Indonesia, Catholic or Islam or Buddhist ot Atheist, well-educated or not, good judge of a situation or not, says that the Israelis the faulty side. They say that because the news is all about Israel's brutality.

On the other hand, all my friends who lives in the western part of the globes, religion and race aside, all says that the Palestines deserves some whooping because of their act towards Israel. And that the news backs them up.

See? It might just be an overblown paranoia on my part, But there could be some kind of conspiracy behind all this.