gurumao Posts
Shinji Ex wrote...
No one in the history of mankind ever wants to watch some dude on his webcam as his YouTube video.Dude...you have...-280 rep...fuck my video...how in the FUCK did you manage that one?
Lelouch24 wrote...
I agree.
/education discussion
So you agree that he's...you...agree that he's...trying...to....ngh...my head...f...FFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
[size=5]starting to lose my patience...[/h]
[color=#2e1a6b]"I already explained why I disapprove of the governments selection". I could copy-paste that instance if you want. So again I ask: Why should I be bound by the governments selection.
You disapprove of the governments selection because they don't endorse homeopathy, which you claim works because your sister got better when she visited a homeopath. Great. That doesn't stop the facts of the matter. Homeopathy has been shown time and again to be nothing more than a placebo effect. I don't care about your 'experience' because personal anecdotes don't make for evidence towards a case.
[color=#2e1a6b]Pearl Harbor
(FPoD could probably go on forever if he responded to this)
*groans and rubs eyebrows* Lemme guess...another conspiracy theory?
[color=#2e1a6b]Now it seems like you're against immigration regulation. Whatever, this has nothing to do with just Ron Paul; All of the candidates support immigration regulation.
And all of them are wrong, and it does have to do with Ron Paul since this is his policy and I'm...you know...against it...and this topic is why I think he blows as a candidate. His immigration policies are among them.
[color=#2e1a6b]do you really believe this? (yay!), or do you just spout out anything for the sake of contradicting my arguments?
Of course I believe there's too much money spent on public welfare programs and whatnot. However unlike some people I don't think that this means we should outright get rid of it. It's a flawed system, this is to be expected with...ANY human made system. The goal shouldn't be, "If there are problems, abolish it." the goal should be, "IF there are problems, compromise to come to the best conclusion." And fucktards like Ron Paul are the types of people to go, "Screw it! Out with the whole thing!"
That's...not really the immigrant's fault, now is it? IT just shows that the programs need to be tweaked. You said that the immigrants paid 16 billion dollars in taxes, that's WAY more than I ever figured. Why am I bitching?
[color=#2e1a6b]because you said:
"Still though, you made it sound like the parents were the ones getting all sorts of taxpayer funded benefits. Still no sources on that front."
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I proved my point[/quote]
No you didn't, because you also made it sound like the illegal immigrants were coming over, giving nothing to society, and leeching off society's hospitality...which you showed isn't the case. So congrats, you've refuted yourself. I have no problem with the parents getting taxpayer benefits if they...pay taxes.
Because I'm a zombie who can do nothing but copy ideas to look cool, I had to make this topic, but since I feel obligated to starting a topic, the Dunning-Kruger effect makes me giggle my butt off, and I found the PERFECT example of someone who embodies that on youtube.
Yeah, it's a bit long, and yeah it's about a serious topic, but this kid is so arrogantly certain of his position that it made me snicker the whole way through.
Edit: The TL;DW version for the lazy on the go hentai forum posters
Essentially, some 15 year old silly ninny talks about how he destroys someone's arguments that abortion isn't 'recreational'. And this subject comes up because the kid brought up the term in the first place. At the end of the video he claims to have left the pro choicer's arguments 'in tatters' and that he doesn't 'pwn out of hate'.
Had me dying of laughter.
Yeah, it's a bit long, and yeah it's about a serious topic, but this kid is so arrogantly certain of his position that it made me snicker the whole way through.
Edit: The TL;DW version for the lazy on the go hentai forum posters
Essentially, some 15 year old silly ninny talks about how he destroys someone's arguments that abortion isn't 'recreational'. And this subject comes up because the kid brought up the term in the first place. At the end of the video he claims to have left the pro choicer's arguments 'in tatters' and that he doesn't 'pwn out of hate'.
Had me dying of laughter.
artcellrox wrote...
This. The passion, the speech, the moment, the music, everything was just perfect for this.I gotta tell ya, I never got into Gurren Lagan like other people did...the whole drill thing kind of felt silly after awhile. The spiral king, the beast people, it all felt...campy...while it was also trying to take itself semi-seriously...I dunno. Still, I liked that scene.
Lelouch24 wrote...
Then why does X go down in other technologically-advancing industries? such as Cameras, Cell Phones, Computers, or TVs?
Those aren't X, for one, those are Y. Cell Phones, cameras, computers, and televisions upgrade and become more expensive. Mind giving me a source for the idea that in other countries the cost of all these things goes down when they become more advanced?
For the last time, The dep. of Edu. is not public education. Public education would still exist without the dep. of Edu. If he wants an overhaul, it would be to increase our freedom to choose our education, which could be accomplished through school vouchers.
For the last time, Ron Paul believes public education is socialist, and wants it abolished, because it's supported in major part by the federal government Abolishing the department of education is just doing all he can do towards that goal as president.
I promise, when I have more spare time, I'll start an evolution thread.
Although...
You said "Not a single person here, myself included, is trying to say anything in science is 100%"
so let me ask you, do you think evolution is proven to be true?
Someone who doesn't understand evolution making a thread about it, this should be fun.
In any case, Yes,evolution has been proven to be true. Though you seem to equate something proven to be true in science to being proven to be true absolutely. Which I've gone over a million times isn't the case. What it HAS been proven to, is true, systemically so. That is, every single time it's tested, it passes. So we have every single reason to accept that it's true, and absolutely none to not. So as far as allellic frequency shifts in populations of genes, this is something everyone accepts, because it's become undeniable. The only thing people bicker about in the public is the logical conclusion from this fact, and the only thing people bicker about in the scientific community is how and why EXACTLY this happens.
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Your argument is based on the labeled purpose of regulation, and not the actual application of the regulation. In this instance, the labeled purpose is to "protect me from harmful medication", but the application is "to give the government control over what medication I'm allowed to take". The labeled purpose of something means NOTHING, what matters is the actual application of it. SOPA's labeled purpose was to stop online piracy. As we all know, the actual application of it was different, and had severe consequences. I'm mentioning SOPA because it shows that you cannot argue a law on the basis of its labeled purpose
I already explained why I disapprove of the governments selection. Why should I be bound by it?
*sniff sniff* I smell a conspiracy theory.
So in essence, your entire contention stems from the fact that you don't trust the government ot be able to determine what is harmful for you to take and regulate that, and keep the harmful things out.
Wonderful, if we can just get some sources for your accusations instead of just blanket assertions, I might start taking you seriously.
The government has deceived my trust; God hasn't. There's nothing inconsistent about my trust
Yet you can't seem to show how they've done so.
We do, and a very large amount of people legally immigrate every year.
And just about every one of them that I've ever met bitch and complain about how difficult it is to do so, and how they have to wait a long amount of time before they're considered citizens, because they start off on a work visa, have to go through several checks of their status, and show that they;re being productive members of society before they become citizens.
MY view? Too much of a pain in the ass. If people want to work, let them, don't force them to memorize all the presidents in chronological order, learn more history and geography than the average high school graduate would know, and assert they learn complex english. None of these are logically required, but we require them anyhow. this is nonsense.
really?...
"illegal aliens imposed more than $26.3 billion in costs on the federal government in 2002"
So clearly we spend too much money on government public benefits projects. That's...not really the immigrant's fault, now is it? IT just shows that the programs need to be tweaked. You said that the immigrants paid 16 billion dollars in taxes, that's WAY more than I ever figured. Why are you bitching?
Pretty simple. What do you think the best monologue ever in an anime/japanese video game was?
I kind of want to do a little thing with this, so post your responses, and after about...3 days I'll make another topic with a poll.
Go ahead and post youtube vids of your favorites, or type them out yourself.
Mine was a toss up between two, but I went ahead and chose the Major's speech from Hellsing.
I kind of want to do a little thing with this, so post your responses, and after about...3 days I'll make another topic with a poll.
Go ahead and post youtube vids of your favorites, or type them out yourself.
Mine was a toss up between two, but I went ahead and chose the Major's speech from Hellsing.
I've got a lot of favorites. Depends on what you're looking for in a character. I still maintain the best character in anime that exemplifies manliness is fucking Kenpachi.
Though, Spike from Cowboy Bebop was pretty awesome, even if his last two episodes got a little...I dunno...they felt a little emo to me.
Also Wolf's Rain entire cast of male characters had surprising depth for an anime I...didn't think I'd like.
Though, Spike from Cowboy Bebop was pretty awesome, even if his last two episodes got a little...I dunno...they felt a little emo to me.
Also Wolf's Rain entire cast of male characters had surprising depth for an anime I...didn't think I'd like.
JamesonM wrote...
BigLundi wrote...
Jizz_boy wrote...
at least its better than this shitSpoiler:
*cough* You uhh...have a link?

*ashamed face*
One of the biggest things pissing me off are the people in the comments section going, "Ooooh! Dad's gotta pull out a pistol! Big man!"
...I mean can people miss the point anymore than that?
...I mean can people miss the point anymore than that?
Takerial wrote...
No. Unless he has policies he wants to implement related to evolution I do not see why it would honestly matter what he personally thought about evolution.
Simple, it demonstrates a lack of critical thinking ability that I don't want in the white house. There you go.
The only part of the evolutionary theory that is probably crucial for a doctor is adaptation.
That's what evolutionary theory is. Allellic frequency changes among populations of phenotypes due to natural selection of mutations in genes. Yet he looks at this theory, this basic fact that his profession is based on, and goes, "Nope. I don't buy it."
That's cognitive dissonance on a level that's unacceptable.
Just because it's ingrained into Biology is not a good argument for its validity.
The fact that it's the foundation for all the medicine you've ever taken isn't a good argument for its validity? Goddamn, what WOULD be a good argument for its validity?
And nothing in science should be taken for granted. If you are willing to do that you are no longer a critical thinker as you seem to be so apt to whine about.
...Ok...I really find people like you annoying. "You can't know anything 100%, so stop acting like science is 100%."
Shut up. Seriously. That's such a childish post modernistic argument that I find annoying. Not a single person here, myself included, is trying to say anything in science is 100%, and every time you bring up this silly little fact that means literally nothing it just goes to show what little argument you actually have.
You're like those people who go, "The words separation of church and state are nowhere in the constitution!" Sure, you memorized a trivial, TRIVIAL fact, and are now using it as the spearhead of your contentions in such an annoying way, that it shows you have nothing to back up your argument that it's 'perfectly ok' for a presidential candidate to just shrug off arguably the strongest theory in all of science, that is the foundation for his chosen profession.
If you don't see the problem of someone studying something heavily, benefiting from it financially, and calling himself well versed on the subject, and then SPITTING in its face by saying, "I don't buy it." Then I honestly don't know what it would take to convince you that anyone, at any time, is wrong for holding any belief.
Or is that your position? Not to straw man you here but I have to clarify...DO you think that there are beliefs that shouldn't be held? Or do you think everyone gets to believe whatever they want, and nobody gets to say they're full of shit for it?
Takerial wrote...
And really, evolution doesn't mean anything to him. So it doesn't matter what he thinks on it.
...He's a medical doctor...a field in which is based off of the foundation of evolutionary theory. Not only that but he's a presidential candidate...and it doesn't matter what he thinks on it. Just...wow.
Nevermind the whole evolutionary theory is the basis behind modern biology point, that's been beaten to death.
But holy shit you honestly think it doesn't matter if someone who wants to run the country displays a total lack of critical thinking capability in the face of something so...axiomatic at this point?
I don't know about you but I care if my president is a fundamentalist dipshit or not. Belief in god is all fine and dandy but science denialism is not.
Lelouch24 wrote...
actually, you perfectly set up my point.
The cost of variable Z should rise, I understand this. But the cost of variable X should decrease, but it isn't. If healthcare was a free-market system with competition, there would be motivation to lower the cost of X. It's because of the governments involvement in healthcare that there is no motivation to lower the cost of X
Ok, you don't understand how economics work. See, X? The cost of bandages? SHOULDN'T go down, because it's a base material that all people involved in the medical business use. IT's used in first aid stations, school nursing offices, hospitals, the works. Anywhere there needs to be healing done, bandages are there, because it's basic. So no, bandages shouldn't 'drop in price' because we still use them just as much as before, we just ALSO use Z. So, by your own admission, Z SHOULD go up, and X SHOULD remain the same, meaning costs in general SHOULD go up, rendering your entire objection moot.
Not really sure what this video proves. it sounded like he supports school vouchers, which I highly agree with, as my family home-schools.
he called her a socialist because she made an argument similar to what you said in a different thread (I think it was in the "2 parties" thread). I don't want to revive that argument, as were already discussing too many issues at once
He called public education socialist, and he's a conservative that's against socialism. It doesn't take Scooby Doo to solve this mystery.
I honestly can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not. In that video, Ron Paul never said he wanted to get rid of it, He can't get rid of it because it's not a federal service. The only federal involvement within the schools is through the dep. of edu. which he wants to get rid of.
And that involvement is the foundation of modern public education systems. Dissolving the department of education means dissolving public education as we know it. He wants a MASSIVE overhaul to the way in which these places are run, to the point where they're just about privatized.
The idea that people evolved from a fish is not the foundation of being able to heal people.
It's "embarrassing" for evolution that it's been rejected despite it being taught to everyone.
Did you not read my link about nothing in biology making sense except in the light of evolution? By a christian?
The people who should be embarassed are those who don't accept evolution, yet claim to be a medical doctor. Your mischaracterization of what evolution is set aside, I have no tolerance for science denialism. While Obama makes speeches congratulating science, darwin, and the medical advancements that can and are attributed to the theory, Paul goes, "Nope, I don't buy it." like an ignorant backwoods hick. The rest of the world accepts evolution on a massive scale, but here, people don't. That's not embarassing for evolution, that's embarassing for the people. Because it means despite it being tuaght in science, and the fact that it is science, the public still won't accept it. That's called being a bunch of close minded idiots.
fine, your next statement really hits the center of my accusation anyways.
This is not at all accurate; You are giving the government the right to choose what medicine I'm allowed to use. I don't agree with the governments selection, and I already justified why I disagree. I want the freedom to take care of myself and the ones I care about, yet the government won't even let me do that.
"I don't agree with the government's selection" right, you don't agree as to the safe drugs, you want the unsafe drugs. I won't let you hurt yourself with unsafe drugs. That's my position. Sorry if you don't like that, I find that to be the ethical choice, not letting you pick drugs that won't work, or will do harm to you.
Just like I don't support the right of 'christian scientists' to pray for their cancer stricken family members to get better in lieu of medical treatmenet, I'm not letting you pick inefficient and harmful methods of healing to heal your family members and yourself. I care too much about people to let that happen.
I trust and believe in God; I don't trust and believe in the government. They break their promises, they lie, they deceive us, etc.
So you trust and believe that which you don't see, you just don't trust and believe what you don't see when the government's involved. Nice to see you being logically consistent /sarcasm.
They should be deported. Otherwise, we're just motivating more illegal immigrants to come here
They should be naturalized, so that they're no longer a burden on society, but able to support themselves in the light of being an actual citizen. Don't we WANT people coming here?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_impact_of_illegal_immigrants_in_the_United_States#Economic_Costs_of_Undocumented_Immigrants
"illegal aliens imposed more than $26.3 billion in costs on the federal government in 2002 and paid only $16 billion in taxes"
So they do pay their taxes. Billions of dollars of them in fact.
Now...what's the problem?:
Koyori wrote...
Good thread. This changed my views from thinking that Ron Paul seems okay to thinking he's horrible....
Holy shit I helped change someone's mind.
Well color me pink and call me kooky.
Though let's not swell me up, It's not like I really 'changed your mind' I probably just gave you a little bit of info that after you looked at it, your position shifted a little bit from, "Ron Paul, meh." to "Ron Paul, nah."
Lelouch24 wrote...
the increased technology increases the range of conditions they can treat. It should not increase the cost of treating something that they can already treat. Let's take a broken collarbone for example; The cost of X-rays, The cost of making a cast or whatever, the cost of having it examined, the cost of the brace, should all be lower, as we find cheaper ways to treat it. what kind of advancement makes it more expensive to do the same thing?
Indeed. Let's make an example.
Say I'm able to mend your broken bones. This is represented by variable Y. Currently I only use bandages. Bandages cost...X.
Now say I have a more effective way of figuring out how exactly to BETTER mend your broken bones, along with the bandages.This new cost variable is represented by variable Z. This is represented by the equation X+Z=Y.
So yes, having new, improved ways to care for you will cost more. This is a logical, mathematical conclusion that is easily derived from what's going on. Your point is null.
You changed your accusation. You said
"4. He wants to dissolve public education"
Obviously you don't understand this issue, and are now arguing the need of the dep. of Edu. to hide your lack of understanding. The federal government doesn't need to enact uniform rules that apply to every school in the entire U.S. If a state prefers one curriculum over another, they should be allowed to use it.
*yawn* Ron Paul, take it away.
(Paul)" Public education is socialist!" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xO2EA5KGOc
But no...he doesn't want to get rid of it. *facepalm*
interesting choice of words. Our education system doesn't teach creationism, it teaches evolution, yet 44% still don't believe it.
I don't know why you're making such big deal out of this; Ron Paul has a very neutral stance on this issue.
Why do I have a problem with a doctor being scientifically illiterate in a theory that is the very foundation of his field of study?
...I don't believe you're that ignorant.
Oh, and again, the fact that 44% of the united states' public doesn't accept evolution despite evolution being taught in classrooms is...well...not something you might want to promote. That's...negative. That's...a bad thing. That's... embarrassing. The only country that denies science more than us is Turkey.
She couldn't drink water, people die without water, something was wrong with her. The emergency room spent $3000 running tests trying to figure out what was causing it. So all you can say is "nothing seriously wrong with her"
just stop
Well, that's what homeopathy is. It's diluting solutions in water and making them as nonexistent as possible, and passing it off as cures.
If the 'doctor' in question didn't use this to figure out what was wrong with her, it had nothing to do with homeopathy.
Let's just stop this particular discussion, because there's no way you can remain rational and logical about this, because you're personally connected to the topic. You're in the position of a christian who says, "You can never dissuade my faith because I have had a personal experience with Jesus Christ."
I shouldn't suffer because people like you are against it.
I'm supporting keeping you from being able to use harmful drugs on yourself, and I'm making you suffer by doing so?
Are you sure you know what you're talking about?
This leads to a complex discussion on self-responsibility. If you want to discuss this further, feel free to start another thread.
I think I said all that I needed to say on this subject in my argument with FPoD.
You got me there
but constitutionally, the enforcement of abortion would still be left to the states.
Great, so my point stands. Moving on.
I'm not saying we should cut taxes that pay for firefighters and police, I'm saying we should cut taxes that pay for foreign aid.
I can't prove that the money doesn't help poor people, nor can you prove that it does.
So you're against taxes for anything that you can't personally see directly benefiting you or someone else.
Haven't you ever heard of, "Just because you don't see it, doesn't mean it's not happening'? I mean I'm an atheist, I hear that argument often enough, I would think you would too...
no... If all the illegal immigrants were deported, we wouldn't be discussing the issues of illegal immigration. my argument is that the ones that aren't deported "use their children to argue for illegal immigrant rights"
The problem with illegal immigrants are those who usually don't have families. At least that's been my experience. It's the ones that come over with little to no connection with anyone and are able to travel all around the united states to try and support themselves.
*gets on soapbox*But whatever, the idea that illegal immigrants go, "We had a baby here, you have to give us stuff." and that you think this is bad is not only completely irrelevant to Ron Paul's policies, but I disagree with your position there as well. I don't want to deport illegals. I want to naturalize them, make them citizens, and make them pay the taxes they should, so that they can have jobs with good wages, and contribute to the society they want to live in so much. And guess what? That's THEIR position too. They think that the it's nonsense the process that must be gone through to become an official american citizen. To get a work visa, to have to pass tests of knowledge most actual Americans can't pass, to master the English language, it's insane. I don't support it. My view: if people want to come over here and work. Let them. We wouldn't have a problem with them being illegal if we gave them less reasons to remain illegal, like giving them insane processes they have to go through in order to be considered a citizen.*gets off soapbox*
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not really sure what to say... well, I find this to be a NEGATIVE thing. I don't want illegal immigrants to be able to go to a taxpayer funded school, and for the schools to be forced to teach them even though they're illegal immigrants.
Right, you support the idea of punishing kids and putting them in bad situations without any education because of who their parents are. I'm against that.
I'm too tired to find sources; I didn't say "parents" anyways, so I don't feel obliged to find a source
...Since we're talking about Paul's position on being born here and becoming a citizen, and you're saying that the ILLEGALS(which would be the parents of these non illegals) are recieving benefits...well...yeah, you very much implicitly said 'parents'.
