THE ECONOMY wrote...
While I agree with anti-cyclic budget policy, I don't agree with making something as incredibly important to the state as health care a matter of voluntary participation. Because voluntary participation subjects the entire system to charity, and charity has been known to not work since the darkest epoch of western civilization - the middle ages. Which depended very much on charity and voluntary participation by the wealthy and mighty.
Charity or extortion. Hmmm, Charity gives people choice. I'm going to go with Charity. The government is using its power of incarceration to force people to hand money over to a third party. Money these citizens can't afford. Before you draw a comparison between this and a social program like road or food stamps just skip it to save us time. You won't win that argument unless you have a
very convincing argument to justify state sanctioned extortion.
I'm sure you'd be irate if your government suddenly demanded that you had to hand over 8+% of your gross income over to ExxonMobil, AIG, Citigroup,etc for a service that you may or may not use. Especially, when they have been shafting the entire population of your country with state sanctioned monopolies.
All that hinges on the assumption that the free market works, which in my view it does not. The idea of a self-regulatory free market only assumes there to be a positive competition, and convieniently ignores the parallel negative competition, which drives the spiral of any given free market towards oligo- or monopolic structures and market-corrosive behaviour.
Frankly, your "view" has no scientific merit. Yes, economics are complex and generally drive toward oligo or monopolistic structures which is what we currently have. Status quo won't affect those monopolies in a negative fashion. Adding legitimate competitors like for example Wal-mart. Yes, just about everyone hates wal-mart but, nobody can argue against the fact that they are the driving force behind the low cost of generic prescriptions and the addition of cheap clinic for the poor in America. Our current system of regulations preserves these monopolies and preserves the exploitation of the American citizens. Government monopoly is no better than a corporate monopoly. Forcing citizens to hand money over to these companies won't stop the monopoly but, actually encourage it since the regulatory aspect of this bill is so weak that flaccid counts as a compliment.
Whereas for the current range it costs you 21%, with defense and War on Turr taking up about as much combined, not counting the current wars which are extrabudgetary affairs :D!
So, I think, you're getting away rather cheaply, actually.
So what if it costs us 21% now? We were predicted to go in the hole with S.S. in 2016 and yet here we are and we're in the hole six years early. In less than a decade it'll cost us 50-80% of our entire GDP. Leaving the rest of the federal programs up to the "charity" of other countries. So having nearly the entire gdp taken up by a single entitlement program forcing the government to take out extreme amounts of debt is getting away cheaply. Don't even get me started on Medicaid and how soon it'll go broke which will add additional drag onto the economy. It's time to leave Wonderland, Alice.
The American government can not handle a budget. Handing something as important as the health of the entire nation into their hands is asking for trouble.
China is shying away because they want to keep the Renminbi at where it's at now.
So several European countries and china have decided to stop or reduce the amount of our debt they wish to buy. How long should the world prop up the American Government? How long should America be able to black mail the rest of the world into funding our fiscal irresponsibility?
I'll agree that some levels of debt are fine but, a country shouldn't be habitually in debt but, that's just "libertarian voodoo".
Should I really have to comment on this one? SHOULD I? Sometimes, such as this specific paragraph, I'm never sure whether you're actually being a hilarious troll and stringing me along.
I know right? Criticizing "free medicine" I mean, c'mon what am I thinking That's all just propaganda pushed by the U.K. media in order to trick those stupid Americans into only hurting themselves in the long run. Lol those were just isolated incidents amirite?
Oh wait. Those incidents weren't isolated. There is a mountain of evidence that supports that N.H.S. isn't a good medical system and is in fact harming the British population and dragging down their economy. Socialized medicine is perfect, so any criticism is obviously a lie perpetrated by ultra-right wing lunatics. I mean who cares about that pesky notion of
*evidence* right?
Indeed. Better not to mention it:
The Fraser Institute is a fiscally conservative think tank based in Canada that espouses free market principles. Its stated mandate is to advocate for freedom and competitive markets. It generally opposes public policy solutions based on government spending, taxes, deficits, and regulation.
I'm sorry about that. I forgot that conservative is an offensive word to some people. Should I link you to a source from your side of the political aisle? Would you feel better if I provided a reputable Liberal source that proves the same thing? What about a Canadian or American government study? How about we just skip the partisan politics and deal with the facts. In 2008 wait times for Canadians were above acceptable time constraints. As it currently stands the average wait time is 4 weeks. Let me run that by you again the
AVERAGE to begin treatment is 4 weeks.
You've got to hand it to the Canadians, they socialized their medicine and it didn't result in an abomination like the N.H.S. and they didn't drop their level of quality too much and only extended the wait times for an average of 4 weeks. At least it's fre...oh wait...
What superior level?
Our level of Care is superior to the U.k's system and we have higher success rates for treatments such as Cancer than the Canadians. Depending on the particular illness the differences can be anywhere from 2 to 20%. The only thing their systems have done "better" is get more people covered. This can be achieved in the American system by finding a way to drive the cost down. One way I suggested was increased competition such as Wal-mart with their $4 prescriptions and 10$ prescription drug plans for 90days of medication. A simple price change from wal-mart caused the entire pharmacy industry ranging from wal-greens, Rite-Aid,etc to reduce their prices which helped millions of Americans where required prescription drugs.
Side note: I can't compare the Germany, Australian or other systems because I can't find any information on them.
So, you got the insurance companies, and government regulation. And market places that supposedly organize all that. Makes for plenty of middle men, plenty of masters.
How is there a master in this scenario? I'm the one in control. I can choose where I buy my insurance and the government is in the role of protecting me. In your system, the government is your master, they control your health. My system puts me in control of my health even if I have to use the tool of government to maintain that companies adhere to market principles.