Nashrakh Posts
Chlor wrote...
Rbz wrote...
Chlor wrote...
Think about the reaction the danish drawings and the artwork of Lars Vilks did, these were drawings, humorous satires of their prophet, this lead to the death of about 30 people. Now think what the reaction on this will be.But were those 30 deaths the fault of Lars Vilks? Was he the problem? I maintain that the problem is the extremists who show themselves to be the barbarians that they are, all because someone drew a picture.
Agreed, the problem wasn't Lars Vilks but instead the extremists, but there is no denying that it was Lars Vilks who triggered it all right?
Being part of the chain of causes shouldn't mean it was his fault. Of course, it was the "sin" he committed that led the extremists to make the choice to murder others. I don't know much about the story, but I'm assuming he didn't draw those pictures with the intention of arousing violent behavior. This is why I can't see him as the main problem. The choice the extremists made remains the main problem, and it makes the violence that occurred entirely their fault, even though your mind, in a way, instinctively wants to go deeper down the perceived causal chain and point a finger at Lars Vilks as the cause of the problem.
Something I think we'll notice is that when a soldier dies in a terrorist attack, the first thing people will do is blame those who burned a bunch of books. They won't bother to think that maybe the reason he killed that soldier was because he's a fucking terrorist. They'll forget that correlation doesn't necessarily equal causation.
I'm late to the after party. Oh well, I'll leave it at this.
Chlor wrote...
Think about the reaction the danish drawings and the artwork of Lars Vilks did, these were drawings, humorous satires of their prophet, this lead to the death of about 30 people. Now think what the reaction on this will be.But were those 30 deaths the fault of Lars Vilks? Was he the problem? I maintain that the problem is the extremists who show themselves to be the barbarians that they are, all because someone drew a picture.
In this quran burning scenario, I see the burners as a lesser evil. These people who say, "You must respect my religion, or else", should not be catered to. Draw muhammad day was similar in that it was a giant middle finger to those who would impose their will on us.
Either way, quran burning as a way of honoring the victims of 9/11 is moronic.
Kaimax wrote...
Rbz is referring to those extremist that will pick up they're weapons as soon as those "infidels" do something they don't like.... >_> which is this event.In a way, you're correct. In my mind, the way it's used against extremists is not just with disrespect, but it also includes my disgust. Other than that, it's just something I use to replace the word muslim. Just like if I want to express my disrespect for the christian religion, I call christians christfags.
It's not about personally attacking someone. People only get butthurt because they adhere to these stupid beliefs and it's a part of their life.
Chlor wrote...
"a way of flipping the finger to Islam" to quote the Pastor, is clearly both inciting violence against Muslims, and a justified reason to be offended.Offensive to muslims, sure, but inciting violence against them? Come on. All I see is them saying "Fuck your beliefs and values." Until they're explicitly inciting violence, claiming they're trying to fuck muslims up is only based on speculation.
Chlor wrote...
It worked here didn't it? Sweden is the single most equal country, and one that has the least crimes related to hate against faith, sexuality and so on. You know why? Because we have criminalized incitement, slander and provocation against groups that otherwise have been easy prey.The only thing that seems to have worked is the suppression of free expression. In America, freedom of speech means allowing people to express ideas that others disapprove of. It protects those who express unpopular views, whether or not it offends someone. Or is this Sweden shit about violence? Did they criminalize expressing disapproval of or offending other groups, or did they criminalize inciting violence against these other groups?
Going back to this quran burning, are these people trying to incite violence against muslims? If not, then whether or not the allallahfags get pissed off shouldn't matter, and using the government to legislate your value of forced respect makes you an asshole as well. These quran burners aren't the problem here, it's the cocksuckers who would resort to violence just because others don't respect their stupid faith that are the problem.
Chlor wrote...
a law which only purpose and result would be more tolerance toward othersIs forcing others to shut up and not express themselves under threat of incarceration really the way you would spread tolerance?
Chlor wrote...
burning the Qur'an should be a crime seeing how provocative it is to a large faction of people. The same with burning flags, other religious text and so on.Add to that the drawing of pictures, right?
So fucking what if some assholes across the world shit themselves over it? We should limit our freedom because they're psychotic douchebags? Disgusting.
Kaimax wrote...
Islamic LawWhat is that law? If someone from a nation burns the quran, you're supposed to kill everyone from that nation?
The only bad thing about this event is its publicity. Other than that, they should do what the fuck they want to religious texts. It's just a bunch of idiots opposing idiots anyway.
Owned.
"we are praying about it"
They're doing something about it, guys.
Space Cowboy wrote...
Anderson 360 interview with the pastor.Owned.
"we are praying about it"
They're doing something about it, guys.
g-money wrote...
@Rbz: lol, that's what I would consider a smart-ass answer. I doubt you could use that excuse everytime you encountered something you didn't know about.It's not an excuse, rather, it's the truth. I assume the word "absolute" in this context is being used to mean "perfect". It just so happens that I don't believe in a "perfect" anything. Even if I ask myself, what is "perfect" to me specifically, I can't think of anything that will not be flawed in some way.
If philosophy teachers have a problem with the truth as I see it, fuck them. Luckily for me, I don't need anymore philosophy credits.
Or instead of trying to manufacture some kind of elaborate explanation on something you may not be too sure about yourself, maybe you could say that it doesn't mean anything to you, and that you don't believe in such a thing. That's what I'd say to my philosophy teacher, whether they liked it or not.
But that assumes you're like me, which I doubt you are.
But that assumes you're like me, which I doubt you are.
g-money wrote...
Honestly, if this "community center" was built somewhere else, none of this hubbub and controversy would have happened in the first place.I'd like to amend that: Honestly, if people weren't such assholes (this includes the media, but not all who covered this topic though) and didn't make a big deal out of a non-issue, this controversy wouldn't have happened in the first place, and we could have focused on more important business.
Since people are deciding it's a good idea to nominate g-$, I won't mind as long as he isn't a fucking rulefag.