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Takerial
Lovable Teddy Bear
Actually Lundi, Laws are just theories. You should know that by now right?
And facts are actually used to support theories, not the other way around. Theories are actually there to explain certain circumstances and questions, not facts.
And facts are actually used to support theories, not the other way around. Theories are actually there to explain certain circumstances and questions, not facts.
Takerial
Lovable Teddy Bear
Yeah, it's fine if you want people to know your thoughts and beliefs about things. Often times, people will welcome a change in thinking if they are open minded enough.
But too often I've seen people who don't want to share it, they actually want to replace other people's beliefs with it completely.
Because they somehow 'know' they are right about something that is impossible to know.
I've seen it from every side. It's not what you believe that makes you think a certain way. It's how open your mind is. Religion doesn't subject people to any more close mindedness than Atheism or anything else does.
The same sorts of divisions exist on EVERY side.
But too often I've seen people who don't want to share it, they actually want to replace other people's beliefs with it completely.
Because they somehow 'know' they are right about something that is impossible to know.
I've seen it from every side. It's not what you believe that makes you think a certain way. It's how open your mind is. Religion doesn't subject people to any more close mindedness than Atheism or anything else does.
The same sorts of divisions exist on EVERY side.
Takerial
Lovable Teddy Bear
Renovartio wrote...
BigLundi wrote...
Renovartio wrote...
Yeah I agree. A good example of that would be that one episode of southpark... or my mom...
@lundi
TLDR
The TLDR version is simply this:
Religion is inherently divisive, encourages dogmatic thinking, useless, and causes good people to do bad things. I don't like it.
Isn't that just biased opinion? Isn't the true meaning of religion is to give people a moral center and help those who have given up hope and is a spiritual tool to help them get through hardships?
Dogma's and laws and traditions are created by the people who will interpret the teachings how it benefits them and not the majority.
Then again you go believe what you will.
Yes, very biased. And this is coming someone claiming that atheists don't preach or try to push opinions on people.
So try not to drown in the hypocrisy.
Takerial
Lovable Teddy Bear
Which would be nice.
If you weren't presenting things in a way that says "You can't refute this."
More accurate? There is no such direction with science and facts.
You cannot become more accurate if you are unsure if something is actually right.
You can assume something is right and that you become more accurate, but that is the wrong way to look at things.
It is less chance of being inaccurate. Which is only possible because things are constantly being revised after being proven to be inaccurate.
If you weren't presenting things in a way that says "You can't refute this."
More accurate? There is no such direction with science and facts.
You cannot become more accurate if you are unsure if something is actually right.
You can assume something is right and that you become more accurate, but that is the wrong way to look at things.
It is less chance of being inaccurate. Which is only possible because things are constantly being revised after being proven to be inaccurate.
Takerial
Lovable Teddy Bear
If you're going to post that many pictures either take them to the pictures threads or spoiler them.
Takerial
Lovable Teddy Bear
Yeah, that is a very good example of someone trying to find faults in something because they want to feel they are making the right choice.
If you were honestly happy with not knowing, you wouldn't find it necessary to 'educate others'.
You're just lying to yourself.
If you were honestly happy with not knowing, you wouldn't find it necessary to 'educate others'.
You're just lying to yourself.
Takerial
Lovable Teddy Bear
Renovartio wrote...
People are always the problem. Isn't that the most obvious thing? That is one of the reasons why I dislike religion discussion. Everything people find wrong with religion is with the people who abuse it. Not the actual belief system. People blame the church and stuff. Whenever I hear someone bitching about it, its usually about how the church is corrupted. Not actually about how the beliefs are. Then again the people who usually bitch about it are ex-religion people.Yeah, that's why I dislike biased statements like these. It's always about trying to scapegoat problems onto one thing, frequently Religion.
I think the ex-religion thing is mostly just insecurity. People just want to reaffirm to themselves that they made the 'right choice' in the grand scheme of things and to do so to a lot of them means to 'show others they are choosing the wrong choice.'
Takerial
Lovable Teddy Bear
If you have seriously thought about it, and weighed all pros and cons of the situation then it is something you should do.
As long as you are willing to accept any consequences of said action. If you are unwilling to take full responsibility for your action, then you shouldn't do it.
As long as you are willing to accept any consequences of said action. If you are unwilling to take full responsibility for your action, then you shouldn't do it.
Takerial
Lovable Teddy Bear
You're being too biased towards one particular aspect when you do that though.
All you're doing when you do it like this is trying to scapegoat Religion. Don't do that, actually state and attack the real situation rather than trying to scapegoat through another.
All you're doing when you do it like this is trying to scapegoat Religion. Don't do that, actually state and attack the real situation rather than trying to scapegoat through another.
Takerial
Lovable Teddy Bear
You do know there is no such thing as an absolute fact and that theories, ALL theories are just the best explanation given the best current facts.
Facts and situations are constantly changing and we are not capable of making absolute facts and statements.
Rejecting the possibility that something isn't fact is rejecting falsifiability which is absolutely necessary for it to be actual science.
Anything without that is just pseudoscience.
Granted, there are things that are better explanations given current facts than others.
Facts and situations are constantly changing and we are not capable of making absolute facts and statements.
Rejecting the possibility that something isn't fact is rejecting falsifiability which is absolutely necessary for it to be actual science.
Anything without that is just pseudoscience.
Granted, there are things that are better explanations given current facts than others.
Takerial
Lovable Teddy Bear
Legendary_Dollci wrote...
Takerial wrote...
Legendary_Dollci wrote...
Takerial wrote...
You're the one making claims about Religion that you do not seem willing to stand behind and back up when people prod them.Are you seriously whining about things getting serious in Serious Discussion? Are you that unprepared for this forum? Discussion and Argumentation are the backbone of this forum. If you are that unwilling to participate in them then you need to reconsider posting anything in Serious Discussion.
It is not a forum just to poll people.
Reno, that's a lot of the points I'm making. People who claim they are things without having knowledge and experience about what they are just being ignorant of the situation.
Just like making wide biased judgements on the whole is also an narrow-minded stance to be making.
Takerial you seriously need to chill and drink a cup of green japanese tea.
We don't need to use smart arguments under a topic that even a teen could answer...
and I don't argue with force I argue with reason and I compromise things...
So I definitely know you need to chill for a sec and calm down...
You don't personally know me so you cannot assume my knowledge and my claim in this religion....
matter of fact since you are in a rage about this... why are you being so defensive about my opinion.. you claim I am making wide biased judgement but it is the exact opposite, I am only pointing out the things our religion needs to improve, and that is treating each other kindly regardless of ones opinion about what they believe in... I don't need to prove you anything at all because I am a man of experience and not a man who judges others without knowledge.... please separate your personal judgement and facts from one another because that is a dangerous and also a very stupid combination....
Why do you think I'm raging? That seems like an odd thing to be thinking.
The complexity of the topic has nothing to do with whether or not it should be serious or not.
You took personal judgments and made a wide base on a majority of people.
You even went on to say that a Muslim who tries to spread things in a peaceful manner gets spit on and beaten.
And act like this is the majority mindset.
And then act like this is good proof to support statements your making.
Are you F***** serious.. did you read the whole thing?
Read it again and then tell me is it biased... there are people who are extremely aggressive and wants to put their religion on the top of the food chain and there are alot of different muslims out there, not just the sunni the shejiten or the aleviten but much much more who don't share the same ideas and who believe in a different ideology that different from "Mohamed" (S.a.s).... so dont pick specific words from a sentence and try to make it a full statement....
one word does not fill a whole book....
and I said "there are muslims who spread their message peacefully gets spit on and kicked on because these same people who calm to be muslims wants to display their religion as a symbol of power and not peace"
You actually took some words out and try to make them your own.....
that is something truly to be disgusted of...
See, isn't that better than just making broad statements? You're giving more information and being less generalized about the whole.
Continuing on. You are acting like it's Religion that is the problem. It is not. It's people that create the situations. Blaming one thing for the entirety of things is a very silly notion.
People are responsible for their own actions. Some people are just assholes who would be assholes regardless of circumstances.
And the same people that push religious beliefs on others are the same people that push other beliefs.
The problem is certain actions of certain people, not Religion.
Takerial
Lovable Teddy Bear
That's more of Science and Religious communities mixing together than Science and Religion actually mixing in someone's life.
Though it does have a great idea for solving problems. Just make a harem.
Though it does have a great idea for solving problems. Just make a harem.
Takerial
Lovable Teddy Bear
It said you couldn't post without a poll because you clicked New Poll instead of New Topic.
Takerial
Lovable Teddy Bear
How Should Science and Religion Mix Together? is a much better title for this topic.
Takerial
Lovable Teddy Bear
Legendary_Dollci wrote...
Takerial wrote...
You're the one making claims about Religion that you do not seem willing to stand behind and back up when people prod them.Are you seriously whining about things getting serious in Serious Discussion? Are you that unprepared for this forum? Discussion and Argumentation are the backbone of this forum. If you are that unwilling to participate in them then you need to reconsider posting anything in Serious Discussion.
It is not a forum just to poll people.
Reno, that's a lot of the points I'm making. People who claim they are things without having knowledge and experience about what they are just being ignorant of the situation.
Just like making wide biased judgements on the whole is also an narrow-minded stance to be making.
Takerial you seriously need to chill and drink a cup of green japanese tea.
We don't need to use smart arguments under a topic that even a teen could answer...
and I don't argue with force I argue with reason and I compromise things...
So I definitely know you need to chill for a sec and calm down...
You don't personally know me so you cannot assume my knowledge and my claim in this religion....
matter of fact since you are in a rage about this... why are you being so defensive about my opinion.. you claim I am making wide biased judgement but it is the exact opposite, I am only pointing out the things our religion needs to improve, and that is treating each other kindly regardless of ones opinion about what they believe in... I don't need to prove you anything at all because I am a man of experience and not a man who judges others without knowledge.... please separate your personal judgement and facts from one another because that is a dangerous and also a very stupid combination....
Why do you think I'm raging? That seems like an odd thing to be thinking.
The complexity of the topic has nothing to do with whether or not it should be serious or not.
You took personal judgments and made a wide base on a majority of people.
You even went on to say that a Muslim who tries to spread things in a peaceful manner gets spit on and beaten.
And act like this is the majority mindset.
And then act like this is good proof to support statements your making.
It's not Religion that needs to improve. It's not like Religion makes most of the people who follow it into these monsters.
It's people themselves.
And most people are not like fanatics and radicals. They're called that for a reason.
Takerial
Lovable Teddy Bear
The choices on the poll are not necessarily opposites.
Takerial
Lovable Teddy Bear
Renovartio wrote...
Takerial wrote...
You're the one making claims about Religion that you do not seem willing to stand behind and back up when people prod them.Are you seriously whining about things getting serious in Serious Discussion? Are you that unprepared for this forum? Discussion and Argumentation are the backbone of this forum. If you are that unwilling to participate in them then you need to reconsider posting anything in Serious Discussion.
It is not a forum just to poll people.
Stop instigating a fight. Just because this is SD doesn't mean you have to flame/ belittle/ debut/ and bully every single person that doesn't agree with you. There is no reason why a person can't be civilized with someone who they disagree with.
Debating and Argumentation is a sort of fight. If you are unwilling to participate means you shouldn't try and take sides. If someone tries to run away at the first sign of trouble it's disgusting.
I'm harsh and don't care if I am.
Takerial
Lovable Teddy Bear
You're the one making claims about Religion that you do not seem willing to stand behind and back up when people prod them.
Are you seriously whining about things getting serious in Serious Discussion? Are you that unprepared for this forum? Discussion and Argumentation are the backbone of this forum. If you are that unwilling to participate in them then you need to reconsider posting anything in Serious Discussion.
It is not a forum just to poll people.
Reno, that's a lot of the points I'm making. People who claim they are things without having knowledge and experience about what they are just being ignorant of the situation.
Just like making wide biased judgements on the whole is also an narrow-minded stance to be making.
Are you seriously whining about things getting serious in Serious Discussion? Are you that unprepared for this forum? Discussion and Argumentation are the backbone of this forum. If you are that unwilling to participate in them then you need to reconsider posting anything in Serious Discussion.
It is not a forum just to poll people.
Reno, that's a lot of the points I'm making. People who claim they are things without having knowledge and experience about what they are just being ignorant of the situation.
Just like making wide biased judgements on the whole is also an narrow-minded stance to be making.
Takerial
Lovable Teddy Bear
Renovartio wrote...
Takerial wrote...
You need to stop double posting.And yeah, you actually need to have knowledge if you are going to declare yourself a certain way. If you don't have enough knowledge to know if you share beliefs with a certain structure, you shouldn't declare yourself that way.
You don't declare yourself an anime fan if you've hardly seen an episode of one. You declare it if you actually sit down and enjoy things about watching anime.
If you don't have enough knowledge and experience on something, you cannot say you are something.
I think its ok to double post when your talking to 2 different people.
Also
Although your not completely wrong that doesn't mean that your completely right. A person born into a religion can't change his/her own belief until later on when he or she has a choice. Also claiming to be something does require some kind of proof or requirement. However that doesn't mean that everything is like that. A radical Muslim is still a Muslim in their own beliefs. Same goes for radical Christians.
Actually, a person isn't born into religion. A younger child has no real beliefs and will not form them for some time. You can be considered part of a religious community when you are younger, which is true. But you don't develop much religious sense until you're older.
And do you consider a Baptist to be the same as a Methodist? A Protestant to be the same as a Catholic?
There's a reason there are many branches and many different types of religious communities. Just because Westboro calls themselves 'Christians' doesn't mean that they are accepted by any other Christian community. They're their own separate little psycho community that doesn't share the same beliefs as others.
So no, you can't know what you are until you have experience and knowledge.
And double posting is against the rules regardless of circumstances. There have already been multiple warnings on it, especially here in Serious Discussion.
Takerial
Lovable Teddy Bear
You need to stop double posting.
And yeah, you actually need to have knowledge if you are going to declare yourself a certain way. If you don't have enough knowledge to know if you share beliefs with a certain structure, you shouldn't declare yourself that way.
You don't declare yourself an anime fan if you've hardly seen an episode of one. You declare it if you actually sit down and enjoy things about watching anime.
If you don't have enough knowledge and experience on something, you cannot say you are something.
And yeah, you actually need to have knowledge if you are going to declare yourself a certain way. If you don't have enough knowledge to know if you share beliefs with a certain structure, you shouldn't declare yourself that way.
You don't declare yourself an anime fan if you've hardly seen an episode of one. You declare it if you actually sit down and enjoy things about watching anime.
If you don't have enough knowledge and experience on something, you cannot say you are something.
