Waar Posts
Waar
FAKKU Moderator
I get what you're saying, but it doesn't change all of the points that have been brought up.
We care about post count because there is a rule about it, someone higher up thinks its an issue and so we must. It's true the thread might get bumped back, but it also may see an increase in users posting in it, you did say it was something everyone enjoys. It's clearly similar to other threads in the section, there was even already a thread which had the exact same concept in the section already. The content in the thread was as Matt said, a perfect fit for CTFG. No amount of argument will change these facts.
You told me to talk to the other staff and I did, for the most part they agree with my actions, it's time to accept it now.
We care about post count because there is a rule about it, someone higher up thinks its an issue and so we must. It's true the thread might get bumped back, but it also may see an increase in users posting in it, you did say it was something everyone enjoys. It's clearly similar to other threads in the section, there was even already a thread which had the exact same concept in the section already. The content in the thread was as Matt said, a perfect fit for CTFG. No amount of argument will change these facts.
You told me to talk to the other staff and I did, for the most part they agree with my actions, it's time to accept it now.
Waar
FAKKU Moderator
I spoke with Matt(one of our Administrators) and he also believes the threads should be the in the Chat section, at this point I think it's fairly conclusive but I still want to talk to Gambler about his reasoning.
Waar
FAKKU Moderator
Mr.Shaggnificent wrote...
Waar wrote...
Mr.Shaggnificent wrote...
Waar wrote...
Pray tell Shag, how am I abusing authority?See: many of your posts in this very thread. thank you for making my point for me.
did anyone else notice that this all seems to coincide with Classy(a notorious troll) resurfacing? even more bizzar, he's on the same side as the mods...
Is that a real reply? Do you just not have a point?
that river... in Egypt...
Waar wrote...
Also I don't understand your implication about classy, he told people how he got unbanned, I don't see how it has anything to do with me/the other mods.i just think it's funny that this all started right after he came back, and even funnier that he's backing the mods.
Gotcha, trolling.
Waar
FAKKU Moderator
devsonfire wrote...
Waar wrote...
devsonfire wrote...
We're waiting, also if the decision comes and it stays in CTFG, I'll be more than happy to make another version of the thread, I'm sure not only me but all these people too.So you're going to simply ignore something we decided(if it has to stay) just because you don't like it?
Not ignoring, bending the thread somehow so you can't move it for whatever reason.
Good luck with that.
To those that care: I've spoken to two of the global mods so far and I have only one more to speak with. Thus far there are 3 people for leaving it in the chat section and the 4th is unknown.
Waar
FAKKU Moderator
Mr.Shaggnificent wrote...
Waar wrote...
Pray tell Shag, how am I abusing authority?See: many of your posts in this very thread. thank you for making my point for me.
did anyone else notice that this all seems to coincide with Classy(a notorious troll) resurfacing? even more bizzar, he's on the same side as the mods...
Is that a real reply? Do you just not have a point?
Also I don't understand your implication about classy, he told people how he got unbanned, I don't see how it has anything to do with me/the other mods.
Waar
FAKKU Moderator
Ryssen wrote...
Then what about Rate the videogame track? You can spam that tread as well.Done and done, use the report feature from now on.
Waar
FAKKU Moderator
Data Zero wrote...
Dont hit me in the face, but let me get this straight from my understanding.Waar here, Moved Rate the song above 3.5, because of a report. Because Waar can, he moved the topic from music to CTFG. Hobogunner doesent like it and from the looks of it other people too (including me).
So, i have a question.
Did Waar move the topic without trying to understand the topic itself, OR he moved it because he can and his way of thinking is overrules another.
If its first, then its a mistake. Accidents happen.
But if its second, no offence, but youre a self righteous prick.
And you deserve this if it is the second one.
Spoiler:
This is my opinion of this at the current moment. Besides. There is a phrase.
Power corrupts.
I really can't believe I'm doing this again...Rendition of how I see events:
About a week ago i get two reports about two different threads being in the wrong sections. I read both threads and agree they should be in the chat section. I merged a thread your currently playing song, another thread about rating a song with a final thread about rating a song together in the chat section. I understand the reasoning for the thread. I finish off the night by going to bed. Some time over the next 48 hours users take it upon themselves to make another thread about rating songs in the music section, which tegumi merges with the first thread once more. about two days later I checked the Music section and a 3rd thread about "rate the song above you" was in the music section. These feedback threads were in response to the first and third moves (both done by me).
I knew what the threads were about, I looked at them carefully to be sure I didnt misunderstand what they were and decided at that point that I agreed with the original reports about where these threads belonged. I'm sorry if you don't agree with my reasoning or my methodology but it is what I believe. Ive seen the "arguments" against my decision, I've examined the situation closely and in all honesty the only fault I can see is that I merged the wrong threads together at some point. I do believe they still belong in the chat section and that wont change.
Final time I explain.
Waar
FAKKU Moderator
devsonfire wrote...
We're waiting, also if the decision comes and it stays in CTFG, I'll be more than happy to make another version of the thread, I'm sure not only me but all these people too.So you're going to simply ignore something we decided(if it has to stay) just because you don't like it?
Waar
FAKKU Moderator
Well I left a skype message for the mods to get into contact with me.
Waar
FAKKU Moderator
Anesthetize wrote...
Waar wrote...
Anesthetize wrote...
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What would make more sense is if you just consult tsujoi and gambler about it. If they're fine with the action then we simply can't argue anything more.
However the thread was initially moved because of post grieving concerns but was moved back because i convinced gambler otherwise.
Because if it is a debate between global mods (tegumi included) I don't believe we will come to an understanding, and because I don't believe seniority matters when we're all the same rank I would want Jacob to deal with it. If anything Jacob is less likely to agree with me than say Matt or Mike, who both think more moderation is in order most of the time.
Still can't hurt to try even so, presumption seems like a weak excuse.
hrmm? I dont get it, are you suggesting they would change their minds and agree with me or I would be convinced by them? To be perfectly honest I dont think Tsujoi cares and I don't see eye to eye with gambler... ever. I'm not unwilling, I just don't see it ending well.
Waar
FAKKU Moderator
Rise-chan wrote...
Waar wrote...
Septin wrote...
Tis still on? How long does a waifu game go on?The game will most likely run long after I leave Fakku (if).
Supposedly speaking; who takes your place if you do leave?
If/when that time comes if I have someone in mind I will ask them if they want to. As of this moment I have no one in mind but if I were to go on a trip I would ask Kenjugs to take over if he wanted to. That is simply due to his long standing relationship with the game and the fact he has partial mod powers.
Waar
FAKKU Moderator
Anesthetize wrote...
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What would make more sense is if you just consult tsujoi and gambler about it. If they're fine with the action then we simply can't argue anything more.
However the thread was initially moved because of post grieving concerns but was moved back because i convinced gambler otherwise.
Because if it is a debate between global mods (tegumi included) I don't believe we will come to an understanding, and because I don't believe seniority matters when we're all the same rank I would want Jacob to deal with it. If anything Jacob is less likely to agree with me than say Matt or Mike, who both think more moderation is in order most of the time.
Waar
FAKKU Moderator
Anesthetize wrote...
Waar wrote...
Anesthetize wrote...
So what happens if we get another global mod to move it?And if you didn't care about opinions then why're you here trying to defend yourself from such opinions of users? You don't care about opinions on the matters concerning your moderating decisions, but you obviously care about the opinions the community has on you as a moderator and person. If you don't justify yourself it's only natural things like this are going to occur.
I would probably move it back until I spoke with Jake, this became a bigger issue when you made the feedback threads and some users decided to take it upon themselves to remake the thread.
I don't have to justify myself, but I also don't want to be called a despot. As crazy as it sounds I do want people to think I do my job properly. I won't give up my values or anything like that but all I have to do to convince some of you that I'm not total shit is explain myself I am willing to do so. Contrary to popular belief I don't enjoy being hated, I'm just not willing to act differently to avoid it.
So wait Jacob said that he agreed with the decision?
You don't have to justify yourself but like i said, don't expect users to take a leap of faith in agreeing with you when you don't. Especially if you don't want to stigmatize yourself as a despot, your statement just seems contradictory.
If Jake says it goes back into the music section then it goes back, Ive never gone against any of his decisions even if I don't agree with him, this is his website. You can look up the girls club drama form a while back for reference.
I don't expect different, any time I do something I think will be unpopular I know what will most likely happen. It would be nice if the users loved me and I could do my job as I see fit(like gambler) but I don't do things the way others want. As I said, I don't want to be hated I simply wont sacrifice what I believe in for the sake of being loved. Ive known and accepted it for a very long time now. I have made friends over it, a few users have seen some partial sanity in my actions and I do consider most of them friends now it's just a shame the rest see me as the reincarnation of Hitler.
Antw0n wrote...
Waar wrote...
because it could be spammed for post count.Why does it matter?
No one cares about anyone else's post count.
It's not like post count means anything besides the worthless "Elite" and "Elder" titles.
Because there's a rule against it.
Anesthetize wrote...
I have great respect for you paul, as a user and a moderator. For the few years i've known you on this forum, i've come to trust your judgement on most things. However you could've handled this situation better, as it stands i feel let down and disappointed by the way you've acted.That is a shame, it was not my intention. I however cannot change what I think to be right in this situation. As sorry as I am to lose some respect I would hate myself more if I did things differently than my way.
Waar
FAKKU Moderator
I moved it because "rate my" threads go in CTFG, and because it could be spammed for post count.
Ive said so multiple times.
Ive said so multiple times.
Waar
FAKKU Moderator
Anesthetize wrote...
So what happens if we get another global mod to move it?And if you didn't care about opinions then why're you here trying to defend yourself from such opinions of users? You don't care about opinions on the matters concerning your moderating decisions, but you obviously care about the opinions the community has on you as a moderator and person. If you don't justify yourself it's only natural things like this are going to occur.
I would probably move it back until I spoke with Jake, this became a bigger issue when you made the feedback threads and some users decided to take it upon themselves to remake the thread.
I don't have to justify myself, but I also don't want to be called a despot. As crazy as it sounds I do want people to think I do my job properly. I won't give up my values or anything like that but all I have to do to convince some of you that I'm not total shit is explain myself I am willing to do so. Contrary to popular belief I don't enjoy being hated, I'm just not willing to act differently to avoid it.
Hobo: You honestly think I would ban someone for expressing their opinion? You called me stupid?
Waar
FAKKU Moderator
What? why should I justify my actions? As I said before this is no democracy, I am not elected. Does a cop ask you if you want a ticket every time he pulls you over for speeding? How is what I'm doing abusing?
I'm not a judge, I'm not here to mediate. I look at something someone showed me and react based on my interpretation of the rules, that is my job. My opinion does matter and you're silly to think it has no place here, do you think gambler doesnt take his own opinion of what is right and wrong when he decides something? You're funny, you really don't have a clue what being a mod here means.
Kouki: I would be willing to reconsider the other thread, "what are you listening to now" is a gray area thread in my opinion so moving it was something I'm less concerned about but the rating thread is closer to a game than anything and it cant be moved, sorry.
I'm not a judge, I'm not here to mediate. I look at something someone showed me and react based on my interpretation of the rules, that is my job. My opinion does matter and you're silly to think it has no place here, do you think gambler doesnt take his own opinion of what is right and wrong when he decides something? You're funny, you really don't have a clue what being a mod here means.
Kouki: I would be willing to reconsider the other thread, "what are you listening to now" is a gray area thread in my opinion so moving it was something I'm less concerned about but the rating thread is closer to a game than anything and it cant be moved, sorry.
Waar
FAKKU Moderator
Anesthetize wrote...
The issue is why you think your decisions hold authority over other global mods like gambler and tsujoi who have been global mods for a much longer period of time.Also it would help if you stated why you disagree. You surely can't be so ignorant as to believe that users would simply just agree with your opinion with a leap of faith. Sounds like fundi reasoning.
I don't, if tsujoi moved a thread I decided not to move previously I would treat it the same way. I wasn't informed when I was turned into a global of every single decision gamlber or tsujoi have made in the past so I'm acting based on what I think about the thread, it's literally the only that I have to go on and it's how most of us do our job. We don't come to a consensus every time we move a thread.
I told you threads about rating things are forum games and go in the chat section, and that both threads gave post count. I never believe users are just going to agree with my opinions, I simply don't care whether they do or don't. What made you think I should?
@hobo: That's not my reasoning, that's simply where we stand now, I am willing to hear your reasoning and what you want but if you can't convince me what do you suggest I do, should I simply conform to what the users believe even if I dont agree with it based on popular demand? The fact of the matter is we don't agree, I decide where it goes, if you cant convince me then it goes where I say. I'm not being unreasonable, I just dont believe your logic trumps mine on this.
You should give moderator lessons, I'm sure your experiences would be invaluable.
That whole part about me not having to justify my actions applies here, you asked me why I did it and I don't mind telling you but I really dont care if you think I'm wrong. If you can make me believe I am then perhaps it wont happen again but I don't believe it's likely.
Waar
FAKKU Moderator
Kouki wrote...
^ I cringed reading the last paragraph. Everywhere you go the mods are all the same. It doesn't matter what type of forum it is.You're saying it like I should be different.
Waar
FAKKU Moderator
Hobogunner wrote...
No, because you believe that an issue is solved when one person no longer views it as an issue. You created the issue, although to yourself you solved it. That is why you are blinded or jaded, whichever you like to use. The only reason you said why is because you believe it belongs there. Which, in my view isn't a good enough reason. Just as my opinion to put it back isn't good enough to you.
One person no longer saw it as an issue, the only person that matters in this case, I'm sorry I'm not taking your feelings into consideration but that's not my job, my job is to moderate based on what I believe. I don't care that you think it should be put in Music. That's doesn't make me blind, I see what you're saying, I know what you want, I simply don't agree.
Yep, you're right, I asked why because I don't agree/was not convinced by your arguments. In the end my opinion is the only one that matters right now. Sorry.
Waar
FAKKU Moderator
Hobogunner wrote...
Waar wrote...
Hobogunner wrote...
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Greater? Are you saying majority should rule? You understand this isn't a democratic election where you, the people get to decide what's best for this website. I wasn't voted into office, I was "hired" by the owner because he trusts me to do the job. I don't believe a larger number of people indicate it's the greater good.
The threads with a "second option" go where the moderators believe they should go. I don't understand why them not being on the first page hurts them. You do realize the thread is going to see a ridiculous increase in foot traffic now that it's in the most popular section on the forums. If a user really wants to follow the thread the section wont matter.
You still have not given me a reason to put anything back, your feelings just aren't enough.
And I cannot because you hold the greater power and are blinded by your view on the issue.
I never said this was a democracy, and I am well aware you have your role because you are believe to be capable of such duties.
This isn't an issue to you, but it is to other users. You did what you thought was right, and that is all that can be done. I'm not going to cry to a higher power about it, I could post on the front page if I wanted to get this issue out.
I was just hoping you could give me a better reason than "my opinion was to move it" just as you wanted a better reason from me.
Blinded because I don't agree with you? It's not an issue, you're right, it was an issue when i first saw the thread but that issue ended when I acted on it. I explained why I think it belongs in the chat section, you don't have to accept it/agree with it. Why are you telling me you can edit the front page? I don't understand what the benefit there is in telling me? You know you might lose your privs so why would you even suggest it?
Mr.Shaggnificent wrote...
This whole thing was sorted out a year ago the first time the thread was moved to CTFG. then it was decided by Gambler and Tsujoi that it should remain in the music section. That was then, this is now. Still no explanation as to how I abused my power shag.