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[Locked] Changes to Fakku - First and Final thoughts and feedback
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YQII wrote...
I believe we tiptoe around it a bit, but the implication from many users seems to be that we should simply not remove unlicensed content, but that's unfortunately not an option. I fully understand the concerns about quantity and variety, but everything has to start somewhere, and I do believe this is a good start.You have to start somewhere, it's true, but you also have to support what you've started. I just don't think you will be able to do so. I just think you're going to lose too many of your users and they will take their patronage elsewhere.
I'll ride this ship for as long as I can, but there may be a point where I can ride it no longer.
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Moonseeker wrote...
Spoiler:
I've noticed that you keep, kind of, deflecting with this sort of response. The problem is, we don't "know" that we're getting any sort of additional content similar to what is being removed. All we have are vague promises to go on and with all of the current mixed content that we are losing access to via this site, it's seeming more and more like this will not be a financially viable option in the future unless there are established facts made available to the current community to verify that a large portion of this content will be replaced. Without any verification, the community will likely move elsewhere without looking back.
And if they can't make it a financially viable for this site or the publishers that are considering signing on, then they can't even go beyond the manga/magazines that they are considering right now.
This is a huge risk that Jacob is taking with this and, currently, I don't see it paying off without some tremendous luck.
But it's doing no good to pass judgment before we've seen anything yet. Yes, we're losing out a lot, nearly everything, but the word is this:
YQII wrote...
I believe we tiptoe around it a bit, but the implication from many users seems to be that we should simply not remove unlicensed content, but that's unfortunately not an option.People are just choosing to believe whatever they want to believe before giving it a chance and that's not doing anyone any good. Yes, it was handled poorly, yes it's easy to get upset or frightened by what's happened so far. But if you don't have all the facts don't curse FAKKU for being the bad guy.
@yqii I'd really like to know your opinion on how FAKKU will handle its userbase moving forward from here. Given the current situation it seems like we're going to be losing more than a few people and the magazine hype isn't about to attract newcomers until it's actually here. I'll admit I haven't been browsing elsewhere a lot lately but in my experience I have yet to see a FAKKU Books ad on any other website. I suppose I don't really know where FAKKU draws new users as it is other than by having its reputation / google. When most of the content non-paying users want (just by quantity) is no longer here, those things become much less viable.
And for example, sharing can be a pretty powerful tool. Sometimes I read something awesome and pass it onto the next guy so that they can enjoy it. If there's going to be a lot of licensed content that isn't available for "free" access (if this isn't the case, yay!), that tool becomes rather dull.
I'm sort of under the impression that growth is going to be necessary to keep the future site sustainable > adding more staff > getting more content. If we start to approach the amount of content we have/had it won't be as much of a problem anymore. But for now it's a little worrying.
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blackice85
FAKKU! Gold
Volaverunt wrote...
Also, people are panicking too much about this "purge", the content that was free here is already available in other sites, and Fakku only had a relatively small portion of everything that was and is being translated. I'm sure this will be nothing compared to g.e-hentai/exhentai purge that happened last year.This needs more emphasis. Some users are acting like he's purging it from the Internet and even our very memories. If you can't or won't buy licensed material you'll still be able to find it, but it can't be hosted here if Fakku is to move forward. Some companies simply won't work with them if they're still hosting pirated material, and honestly I can't blame them.
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(First time commenting) All I want to say just so its out their. I believe like many many MANY others. We only came to fakku for the interface and the fetishes, not vanilla we can get that ANY were we want.
For me fakku was that place I could go to feed that little desire, a weird turn on aka a fetish. It was that one site were I could count on them to have me some new m/d of my fetish.
Good on fakku for taking this opportunity. But u r taking away everything that u once were at the same time couldn't u keep the old and make a new site at least. Hiding "controversial" content was not the best move forcing people to make an account or move on. Which probably lost u so many site views especially when it came to probably the biggest fetishes there r. we look for them so we can experience them without actually experiencing it removing any idle thought of wanting to do it in real life. By hiding it u r taking away the hole concept of porn from vanilla to anal incest loli and so on
Porn,manga,dojinshi are all about experiencing our fantasies. If we can't wants the point
For me fakku was that place I could go to feed that little desire, a weird turn on aka a fetish. It was that one site were I could count on them to have me some new m/d of my fetish.
Good on fakku for taking this opportunity. But u r taking away everything that u once were at the same time couldn't u keep the old and make a new site at least. Hiding "controversial" content was not the best move forcing people to make an account or move on. Which probably lost u so many site views especially when it came to probably the biggest fetishes there r. we look for them so we can experience them without actually experiencing it removing any idle thought of wanting to do it in real life. By hiding it u r taking away the hole concept of porn from vanilla to anal incest loli and so on
Porn,manga,dojinshi are all about experiencing our fantasies. If we can't wants the point
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Mr H wrote...
(First time commenting) All I want to say just so its out their. I believe like many many MANY others. We only came to fakku for the interface and the fetishes, not vanilla we can get that ANY were we want.For me fakku was that place I could go to feed that little desire, a weird turn on aka a fetish. It was that one site were I could count on them to have me some new m/d of my fetish.
Good on fakku for taking this opportunity. But u r taking away everything that u once were at the same time couldn't u keep the old and make a new site at least. Hiding "controversial" content was not the best move forcing people to make an account or move on. Which probably lost u so many site views especially when it came to probably the biggest fetishes there r. we look for them so we can experience them without actually experiencing it removing any idle thought of wanting to do it in real life. By hiding it u r taking away the hole concept of porn from vanilla to anal incest loli and so on
Porn,manga,dojinshi are all about experiencing our fantasies. If we can't wants the point
Like always, we will be releasing all genres regardless of content. It is not limited to vanilla and I have no idea why this idea is spreading around. If you take a look at the books we have released so far this is obvious.
We are removing all unlicensed content regardless of the content and that has nothing to do with the content we will be publishing.
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Misaki_Chi
Fakku Nurse
Moonseeker wrote...
Misaki_Chi wrote...
I'll say this again, why do people think that the only content that will be published is vanilla only? The is going to be a variety of works published that isn't just limited to vanilla or normal sex. The books that have been published so far are pretty tame, but only because they are some of the best books ever created and sold in Japan by some of the most iconic artists. Yeah they are vanilla, but they are dam good. More content by various artist will be released over time, but it will just take a little time.They are not just thinking about stopping at books either, their is a wide variety of eroge content out there from artbooks, videogames, VN's, anime, magazines, so this is only the start.
I've noticed that you keep, kind of, deflecting with this sort of response. The problem is, we don't "know" that we're getting any sort of additional content similar to what is being removed. All we have are vague promises to go on and with all of the current mixed content that we are losing access to via this site, it's seeming more and more like this will not be a financially viable option in the future unless there are established facts made available to the current community to verify that a large portion of this content will be replaced. Without any verification, the community will likely move elsewhere without looking back.
And if they can't make it a financially viable for this site or the publishers that are considering signing on, then they can't even go beyond the manga/magazines that they are considering right now.
This is a huge risk that Jacob is taking with this and, currently, I don't see it paying off without some tremendous luck.
Not deflecting any questions, I don't work with fakku on anything, I'm just a helper. But I do talk with Jake sometimes and from the little I do know sounds like things will be fine, but again I don't know much he doesn't talk about what he's doing completely and I don't ask him either. Even if I did know anything I would just let other's talk about it since I don't feel it's my place to do a "he said to she said sort of thing". If Jake tells me something and says it's okay to talk about it I would, but other then that I just try to keep people from going off of the deep end on this matter.
I just personally don't see the point in freaking out too much about all of this. I know to me it is just porn and I have quite a few other sites and downloaded content that I never really worried about something like this happening. Again I see the potential in what Jake is doing and I like the products being produced so I just promote it because I personally want to see more of what is to come.
I've stated this quite a few times yes this all could have been handled much better, but this is how things are going for the meantime and people can say what they wish just like I can.
Sorry I can't be more helpful and informative, I just don't like to see people irrationally go to the "fuck this site" or "down with Fakku, RIP" or "Jake you suck" because most of the people saying this may have never seen the products being produced and they are pretty dam good ones. I know not everyone is fortunate enough to get them, but if you ever can save enough cash just to buy one book it would be worth it.
Also people are assuming the worst of fakku when they don't know what is to come. I know it's frustrating not knowing what is happening, but I am just idling myself to see what happens. Idk I just can't get mad over something like this, as I said porn is porn to me. Too much fun in it for me to get mad over something so trivial, but that's just me.
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Jacob wrote...
Mr H wrote...
(First time commenting) All I want to say just so its out their. I believe like many many MANY others. We only came to fakku for the interface and the fetishes, not vanilla we can get that ANY were we want.For me fakku was that place I could go to feed that little desire, a weird turn on aka a fetish. It was that one site were I could count on them to have me some new m/d of my fetish.
Good on fakku for taking this opportunity. But u r taking away everything that u once were at the same time couldn't u keep the old and make a new site at least. Hiding "controversial" content was not the best move forcing people to make an account or move on. Which probably lost u so many site views especially when it came to probably the biggest fetishes there r. we look for them so we can experience them without actually experiencing it removing any idle thought of wanting to do it in real life. By hiding it u r taking away the hole concept of porn from vanilla to anal incest loli and so on
Porn,manga,dojinshi are all about experiencing our fantasies. If we can't wants the point
Like always, we will be releasing all genres regardless of content. It is not limited to vanilla and I have no idea why this idea is spreading around. If you take a look at the books we have released so far this is obvious.
We are removing all unlicensed content regardless of the content and that has nothing to do with the content we will be publishing.
I don't think anyone believes you're only going to publish vanilla, they're just worried about the ratio of vanilla to other content being published in the future. If you don't have enough content being published to satisfy the non-vanilla seekers, then they will go elsewhere and you're goal of being the premier hentai location will be shot.
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YQII
FAKKU Translator
ChrisBRosado123 wrote...
I'd really like to know your opinion on how FAKKU will handle its userbase moving forward from here.For once, we've already been working on the magazines for a while, so we'll have a few back issues for launch. I think it's important to make sure there's value to the service before it goes live. Also, the reason this was just announced as a forum post is because there are still a number of things that we have to figure out. When we have done that, we will make a proper announcement on the front page with more information, but that also means we can't go into details regarding pricing or freebies.
Several users have already made it clear that they do not intend to stick around for this, and that's to be expected. However, like I already pointed out, this is a necessary step. I understand where the frustration is coming from, but we can't magically make 10,000 stories appear out of nowhere, and we can't work as a charity.
What we need is time, and if some users don't have faith in us doing a good job, I don't think there's anything I can say that hasn't already been said to change their mind. Again, I stress that the proper announcement hasn't been made yet, so I hope people are willing to wait for that before making a decision—rather than basing it on wild speculations of us charging $20 per chapter. I'm sorry I can't give a better answer at this point in time, but at least I'm fairly certain this won't cost you $1,000 per month.
animefreak_usa wrote...
X-Eros is in the past has a lot of non vanilla stuff.Yeah, the whole idea of X-Eros pretty much is to be non-vanilla. There are artists that appear in both magazines, and the stories they do for them are vastly different.
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This is the most well-thought out and discussed of the threads I've found, so I'll make my point here.
I come to Fakku. In the future, I will pay for Fakku if I have to (within reasonable limitations), and I enjoy the content, being quite a vanilla fan, but I read other stuff. I am subscribed to Incest, and read all of it that isn't NTR or forced or yaoi or something I personally don't like, because I find that that is where I find the best or most interesting and developed vanilla stories. I don't understand why you would target controversial works first, rather than just targeting either the least popular, or choosing between the most recent/oldest works. I understand why Incest is seen as controversial, being a crime in many of our countries, and I understand why you're taking the stand against piracy and becoming a profitable organisation. I don't understand why you don't have a better methodology for taking these down than "Why don't we remove this stuff starting by focusing on the tags that everyone bitched about last time it was removed?"
And would it be too hard for you to make it so that I don't get notifications for mangas/doujinshis that don't exist?
I come to Fakku. In the future, I will pay for Fakku if I have to (within reasonable limitations), and I enjoy the content, being quite a vanilla fan, but I read other stuff. I am subscribed to Incest, and read all of it that isn't NTR or forced or yaoi or something I personally don't like, because I find that that is where I find the best or most interesting and developed vanilla stories. I don't understand why you would target controversial works first, rather than just targeting either the least popular, or choosing between the most recent/oldest works. I understand why Incest is seen as controversial, being a crime in many of our countries, and I understand why you're taking the stand against piracy and becoming a profitable organisation. I don't understand why you don't have a better methodology for taking these down than "Why don't we remove this stuff starting by focusing on the tags that everyone bitched about last time it was removed?"
And would it be too hard for you to make it so that I don't get notifications for mangas/doujinshis that don't exist?
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I've been using Fakku as my primary fap material since 2008, and I love the upgrades to the site that have happened in the past 7 years. The introduction of tags was genius and there was soooooo much more content then the next leading online source. I'm here almost every day.
With the new changes, unfortunately 95% of what I was here for is gone, though I understand that similar content is supposed to be coming in the indistinct future. I have no interest in the material published in the books I've seen published so far. Also I have never payed for porn, and doubt I will start anytime soon.
So I think this is farewell. All good things must come to an end, and I was honestly surprised Fakku lasted as long as it has for me. Prior to 2008 my source for hentai was changing constantly. I am very thankful for all the effort put in by the team to bring us hentai, and I've enjoyed the ride. I hope the direction they've chosen works out and is profitable.
So long and thanks for all the fish.
With the new changes, unfortunately 95% of what I was here for is gone, though I understand that similar content is supposed to be coming in the indistinct future. I have no interest in the material published in the books I've seen published so far. Also I have never payed for porn, and doubt I will start anytime soon.
So I think this is farewell. All good things must come to an end, and I was honestly surprised Fakku lasted as long as it has for me. Prior to 2008 my source for hentai was changing constantly. I am very thankful for all the effort put in by the team to bring us hentai, and I've enjoyed the ride. I hope the direction they've chosen works out and is profitable.
So long and thanks for all the fish.
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Seeing as to many people have already posted here, I might as well give my thoughts about this.
So, I have just created my first account here on FAKKU! roughly 2-3 weeks ago, but, I'm a lurker of this site for almost 2 years now. And within those 2 years, FAKKU! was still on the prosper's side, and we all loved the prospering FAKKU since there were no unrestricted access/limits to all the users. But, looking at it now, it seems that FAKKU! is already on the down-side or rather at the disadvantages of what they are doing. It's as if they gambled a lot without realizing the stakes (or maybe they did but chose to pursue it anyway). I'm kinda sad to know that many users are leaving FAKKU! because of the 'change' FAKKU! is undergoing. As for me, I'm still staying to check if the 'change' they are doing is worth what they gambled for. Either way, I'll leave for sure if it ain't.
Well, since I love the Vanilla releases here, I might want to stay for another year or two.
P.S. Seriously, FAKKU mods, change that'u mad?' pic as it is really pissing most people off.
So, I have just created my first account here on FAKKU! roughly 2-3 weeks ago, but, I'm a lurker of this site for almost 2 years now. And within those 2 years, FAKKU! was still on the prosper's side, and we all loved the prospering FAKKU since there were no unrestricted access/limits to all the users. But, looking at it now, it seems that FAKKU! is already on the down-side or rather at the disadvantages of what they are doing. It's as if they gambled a lot without realizing the stakes (or maybe they did but chose to pursue it anyway). I'm kinda sad to know that many users are leaving FAKKU! because of the 'change' FAKKU! is undergoing. As for me, I'm still staying to check if the 'change' they are doing is worth what they gambled for. Either way, I'll leave for sure if it ain't.
Well, since I love the Vanilla releases here, I might want to stay for another year or two.
P.S. Seriously, FAKKU mods, change that'u mad?' pic as it is really pissing most people off.
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Tels wrote...
But is the amount of content produced by the publishers Fakku is partnered with, or courting for partnership, able to replace the amount of content lost in an appreciable amount of time?This is the issue most of the people who claim the content will come fail to grasp. If it takes 4 years for Fakku to replace the lost content, then people will have moved on by then. Especially if the lost content is locked behind a paywall that eventually gets moved to free content, or free with ads of some sort.
It does not matter if Fakku will continue publishing a diverse selection of manga, if the quantity of the selection isn't fast enough to replace what is lost.
No one is worried about vanilla, because vanilla is everywhere. But your monster girls? Loli? Incest? That's a mite more rare. Some of it is rarer than others, but no one has as much content to draw from as vanilla.
So the problem is, that the diversity of future publications will not be completed in enough quantity to satisfy the users of Fakku. Those of the controversial crowd who stick around hoping to get a bone thrown their way every once in awhile will be suffering from a most righteous case of blue balls while doing so. Fakku may eventually bounce back and have a wide selection of work to choose from again, but it's going to take years, at the current estimation of 40-60 per month, to do so.
How many thousands of issues are being lost in this purge? It's probably vastly easier to count the number of licensed manga, than unlicensed.
If you, or anyone else, responds with the claim that those who've lost content can just get it anywhere are missing the point. Think about that. If the point is to make Fakku the leader in hentai industry and it's exposure into the western world, then it will fail as a leader if it's userbase has to go elsewhere to get what they desire.
If a significant percentage of the people have to leave Fakku to get the hentai they want, then the whole point of Fakku is wasted. You cannot lead the industry if you have no one to follow you.
Fakku's content has always been quite small compared to other sites. So there's no point in "replacing what is lost" when all the stuff that is/was here can be easily found everywhere else.
The difference is that what will be on Fakku from now on will be legal. If they plan to work with other publishers then everything and much more will be available again (even if it's legal). The "replacement" of course will take time, but I don't think it's that much to worry right now. And they already have supporters and have been given enough exposure, both in the wrong and in the good way, so there's no need to worry if they start from the scratch with only legal content.
Tels wrote...
The issue with this? Other sites blow balls. Either their user interface is bad, their search engine/tagging system is bad, their filing system for content is bad, or their servers are bad, or a mixture of the above.For example, I tried using pururin the other day because, dumb me, I thought, "It can't be too bad making a switch from Fakku? Can it?"
Trying to read one doujin was an issue in frustration. It seems every 4th page or so, the server would slow down to a crawl and take forever to load the next page. Forever as in, ~7 minutes at the longest wait time. I know it had something to do with their servers because everything else was working fine. I could load up and flip through Fakku no problem, watch YouTube, even stream some Twitch feed (I was testing if my connection was carpping out, but it wasn't). Then, often enough, it would give me something like a 404 error and I'd have to hit backspace and then try and load the page again.
Let me tell you, having to stop and deal with that crap while fapping is not conducive of enjoyable session of sinning against the Catholic church.
Pururin plain sucks. Just another g.e/exh mirror who had a lot of potential but in the end failed. Whoever recommended you as an alternative to Fakku probably wasn't serious or didn't know much.
If anything, g.e/exh has the largest free content for now. It surprises there are people that never heard about it.
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Volaverunt wrote...
Tels wrote...
But is the amount of content produced by the publishers Fakku is partnered with, or courting for partnership, able to replace the amount of content lost in an appreciable amount of time?This is the issue most of the people who claim the content will come fail to grasp. If it takes 4 years for Fakku to replace the lost content, then people will have moved on by then. Especially if the lost content is locked behind a paywall that eventually gets moved to free content, or free with ads of some sort.
It does not matter if Fakku will continue publishing a diverse selection of manga, if the quantity of the selection isn't fast enough to replace what is lost.
No one is worried about vanilla, because vanilla is everywhere. But your monster girls? Loli? Incest? That's a mite more rare. Some of it is rarer than others, but no one has as much content to draw from as vanilla.
So the problem is, that the diversity of future publications will not be completed in enough quantity to satisfy the users of Fakku. Those of the controversial crowd who stick around hoping to get a bone thrown their way every once in awhile will be suffering from a most righteous case of blue balls while doing so. Fakku may eventually bounce back and have a wide selection of work to choose from again, but it's going to take years, at the current estimation of 40-60 per month, to do so.
How many thousands of issues are being lost in this purge? It's probably vastly easier to count the number of licensed manga, than unlicensed.
If you, or anyone else, responds with the claim that those who've lost content can just get it anywhere are missing the point. Think about that. If the point is to make Fakku the leader in hentai industry and it's exposure into the western world, then it will fail as a leader if it's userbase has to go elsewhere to get what they desire.
If a significant percentage of the people have to leave Fakku to get the hentai they want, then the whole point of Fakku is wasted. You cannot lead the industry if you have no one to follow you.
Fakku's content has always been quite small compared to other sites. So there's no point in "replacing what is lost" when all the stuff that is/was here can be easily found everywhere else.
The difference is that what will be on Fakku from now on will be legal. If they plan to work with other publishers then everything and much more will be available again (even if it's legal). The "replacement" of course will take time, but I don't think it's that much to worry right now. And they already have supporters and have been given enough exposure, both in the wrong and in the good way, so there's no need to worry if they start from the scratch with only legal content.
Tels wrote...
The issue with this? Other sites blow balls. Either their user interface is bad, their search engine/tagging system is bad, their filing system for content is bad, or their servers are bad, or a mixture of the above.For example, I tried using pururin the other day because, dumb me, I thought, "It can't be too bad making a switch from Fakku? Can it?"
Trying to read one doujin was an issue in frustration. It seems every 4th page or so, the server would slow down to a crawl and take forever to load the next page. Forever as in, ~7 minutes at the longest wait time. I know it had something to do with their servers because everything else was working fine. I could load up and flip through Fakku no problem, watch YouTube, even stream some Twitch feed (I was testing if my connection was carpping out, but it wasn't). Then, often enough, it would give me something like a 404 error and I'd have to hit backspace and then try and load the page again.
Let me tell you, having to stop and deal with that crap while fapping is not conducive of enjoyable session of sinning against the Catholic church.
Pururin plain sucks. Just another g.e/exh mirror who had a lot of potential but in the end failed. Whoever recommended you as an alternative to Fakku probably wasn't serious or didn't know much.
If anything, g.e/exh has the largest free content for now. It surprises there are people that never heard about it.
I'd agree with this. Hentai2read is probably the only one that I can actually use anywhere near as well as Fakku, though, and I've damn near exhausted its resources (it's dead, nothing new on it for ages last I was there). I only found it through Fakku, oftentimes releases would be described as "Commisioned by hentai2read" :P
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This is probably my first time posting here even though I have been a member for ages.
And that is because I can't find any more loli on this website.
Is it because Controversial Content not working, or Jacob is succumbing to a few vocal people.
Because this is seriously stupid. It is like berating others for their fetish for bara or guro or BDSM.
And that is because I can't find any more loli on this website.
Is it because Controversial Content not working, or Jacob is succumbing to a few vocal people.
Because this is seriously stupid. It is like berating others for their fetish for bara or guro or BDSM.
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What I see in the future is disaster.
Jacob is trying to compete against sites like G.E Hentai and Hentairules, both of which are big sites. What is happening here is what I call the death throes of Fakku, as many users on this site will look elsewhere for their hentai needs.
Jacob is trying to compete against sites like G.E Hentai and Hentairules, both of which are big sites. What is happening here is what I call the death throes of Fakku, as many users on this site will look elsewhere for their hentai needs.
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NothingtoseehereFakkuians wrote...
I'd agree with this. Hentai2read is probably the only one that I can actually use anywhere near as well as Fakku, though, and I've damn near exhausted its resources (it's dead, nothing new on it for ages last I was there). I only found it through Fakku, oftentimes releases would be described as "Commisioned by hentai2read" :Phentai2read sucks too.
Cobrawolf_Meiji wrote...
Jacob is trying to compete against sites like G.E Hentai and Hentairules, both of which are big sites. What is happening here is what I call the death throes of Fakku, as many users on this site will look elsewhere for their hentai needs.Maybe before, but I don't think it's the case now, they are taking a differentp ath and looking for new horizons. The only competitor they have now is Project-H in regards of publishers.
g.e-hentai will continue to be the biggest free hentai library for now and hentairules is a site that I haven't visited in ages, but I think it wasn'tas big as to be called a "competence".
So you are either wrong or misunderstanding something.