New Miley Cyrus Music Video

Well I'm not asking you to not be judgmental.

But saying the degradation(lol) of society is even remotely factored by promiscuous dressing and acting pop stars is a stretch.
Even if she is popular she still doesn't own you anything. You're not entitled to a kiss on the foot because you've seen and liked her earlier work, nor does she have any responsibility or obligation to comply to irresponsible parents or people who don't like seeing scantily clad young adults. Also you can't prove intent. Saying she's "aware" of her actions, is like saying she's guilty. But of what?

Ruining the generation of young girls? That's cute if you think that's anywhere near the truth.

1. I was being sarcastic with the "if it feels good it can't be bad" thing.

2. "But saying the degradation(lol) of society is even remotely factored by promiscuous dressing and acting pop stars is a stretch."
"Degradation of society factored by promiscuity is stretch."
"Promiscuity is not degradation of society."

I'm sorry, but do you even know what these words mean?

She owes it to the human race and herself to have some decency and self-respect.

1. Right, which is why you're arguing with me over this.

2. Promiscuity is by all means and definitions, a bad thing. I don't know why I have to explain this.

Moving the goalpost. No one's trying to say what media and art should be. I'm saying Miley's turned into a wigger slut endorsed by Disney and that this will have a negative impact on our society and culture.

3. Strawman.

P.S. Note I also said she owes it to herself. If someone can be proud of looking and acting like a whore, there is no question about it: There is something wrong with that person.

1. There's a difference between understanding and agreeing. Are you getting defensive on me?

2. Not really but that's not really what I'm arguing.(I'm a master of semantics, don't cha know?)

3. No you said she owes society something and what she's doing is wrong. It's not absurd to compare you to Fundamentalist.

You didn't say that.
You said she owes society something. You said it was her responsibility and that she knew what she was doing. And I'm not arguing that being a whore is good or bad. Having lots of casual sex or making yourself appear as someone who does isn't necessarily evil or bad if one takes the proper precautions to keep themselves safe and healthy, and others as well.(maybe they're missing out on something emotional, but then again I'm not a psychiatrist or an anthropologist so I can't say that with a certainty)

I just know this somehow correlates to female abuse rates being at an all-time high. In a way I kind of feel sorry for her and in a way I'm sickened by what the industry has become. I guess there's not really any use in getting upset over something neither I or most of society have done little to stop though. It's too bad, she seemed like such a nice girl when she was younger. But, as they say, business is business.

1. I don't know what you mean by this. I meant that obviously you do care if I personally respect them or not, otherwise you wouldn't be having this argument with me.

because by anyone's standard, she's looking and acting like a slut.

4. Yes, I said she owes it to humanity and herself to be more decent. And yes she's responsible

Yes, but like fundementals, you're arguing that they're the ones who are "degrading" society, not merely a byproduct of poor decisions and bad parenting. They're not necessarily a problem, nor do they really owe you to behave exactly how you want them to.



Responsible for what?
And owe what, and why?

I agree that we should look for the greater good of our future offsprings and theirs, and enriching our cultural history, to be remembered as an era, with a worthwhile culture.

Imagine you have a cute loli daughter. She has half your genes, you have made sacrifices for her, you would take a bullet for her or die for her. Make that 2 loli daughters to make this more visual, and maybe more painful.



At this age, they are capable of being influenced by the media. They will unavoidably be influenced by the media as much as their surroundings (family, friends, religion, school, society).

They are looking at a slutty wigger from tv/radio/internet. The slutty wigger looks cool, acts cool, and is accepted. They want to be her.
Before you realize it, they copy her tastes, phrases, poses, etc., you technically have a mini-version of that slut from tv in the making. They will choose boyfriends likebthe slutty wigger (or if their idol is a radical feminist, they would hate men too, feel the pain from this thought gentlemen)

If they had not been influenced, they would have been somewhat original (tsunder, sweet, geek, whatever), but they are themselves, not a failed copy of someone else. They would just be themselves, shaped mainly by the morals in them, not trying to be a hollow false appearance.

How will this example affect our culture you ask? Multiply the lolies by millions, then you can see the big picture. A similar example would work out for boys, but then again, they are usually more interested in videogame characters or the slutty wiggers ugly breasteses (grammatical error on purpose) than copying an actual idol. They usually copy whatever Gary Stu the media throws at 'em.

Overall, try to imagine yourself as a parent, and you will understand this situation better.

loli daughters

Not sure if I like where this thread is going, but I'll get the popcorn anyway.

blah blah blah loli daughters, being a parent is hard, wall of text

There is a difference from raising your children and letting the tv raise them.
We also cannot possibly believe that we will be able to hide the world from our children. Sooner or later they will face it.

1: True, raising starts from birth, but we are talking more about the media influences on the children/teen when they see it (let us not derail much from Cyrus). They will unavoidably admire it, they will always be a way for the media (including countless idols throughout the world) to reach the younger generation.
2: People DO need better parents.
3: The scenario is perfectly possible, even if rare.

1: True
2: They will admire something stupid because their minds are simple.

There is a horrible stereotype that women are always the victims in violent attacks. Men are sometimes too victims of domestic violence. In return, our society frowns upon a man who kills/hurts a woman who has destroyed him verbally and physically, but when a woman kills/hurts a man in domestic violence for the very same reasons, the news rarely report it (and sometimes, media encourages it via movies).

OT: Are you familiar with the phrase "Asking for it"? How could we possibly know if there was consent or not?

Already ahead of you, want some?