New Miley Cyrus Music Video

It's not a rebuttal, it's an opinion.

When one bandwagons they are simply doing something just because everyone else is doing it. There is a difference between that and multiple people agreeing with someone.

But it's not even about providing a scientific study(that was peer reviewed and had similar results as other studies) that matters. They're quite literally assumptions. Wearing "slutty" clothing is dangerous...if you live in a fundamentalist society that has no regards towards free expression, or in a world where men and some women have absolutely no control of themselves and automatically sexually harass/assault any young women who happens to be wearing a short too short or acts flirtatious. Or that everyone who works in the business side of entertainment has zero(or little) control of their lives, and that they themselves don't love the music(or "art"), the financial security(if they're smart) and other perks I don't really know of. Of course there's going to be stress, hard work and some people who will criticize you to death. Heck, there might be more downsides, but I won't know because I'm not the artist in question, and she really hasn't told me her perspective.(not that I care for it)



Also speaking of video games, I realize I actually listened to Pyre. The poor bastard actually enjoyed that shallow pile of manure that was Bioshock Infinite.

Maybe, just maybe, somewhere out there is a young girl who's not affected by her parents, environmental factors, the people she's met. Just that one trashy Miley Cyrus video.

I'd like to meet this girl.

Holy fucking strawman argument Batman.

I didn't say or imply half of the things you just said I did. I said that the image she portrays correlates to insecurity in women which in turn provides a psychological reason for them not wanting to get out of an abusive relationship. I did not say anything about rape, I was referring to consistent physical abuse which I made pretty clear in my reply to SolidShark. I also didn't make any assumption or implications about Miley not caring about what she does, I only wrote that she likely doesn't have control of her life, and wasn't given a choice between that life and something else because of the family she was born into and the labels she likely didn't have a choice about signing with. I also made one general statement about the world of the rich and famous, which in no way implied that they don't care about what they do.

Did you even read my post? Who's the one pulling assumptions out of their ass now?

Oh my god Cruz.

Never you said you did, nor wasn't implied. You did say it would ruin her though.



And that's totally not an assumption right? She totally can't quit or find something else to do in the industry right?



You. I did bring up the rape thing though, not completely unjustified though, since you did say that acting a certain way leads to "ruin".

A tad bit extreme? Sure.




This actually a pretty heavy statement that I'm gonna have to think about for a while. Although I am pretty skeptical. I don't think these videos promotes behavior that suggest girls(or anyone) to should be needy to someone that physically abuses them.

It does seem to have a big focus on other things though.

Oh, and ruin all of a sudden means rape now? That's your assumption not my implication, there's a big difference between the two.



It is but I never said I didn't make assumptions in my previous reply did I, I'm not denying it so why are you pointing it out like I am? In fact I clearly point it out as an assumption by using the word likely before I make the statements. Also, it doesn't correlate to her not caring about her job, which is what you said I assumed/implied, don't try to avoid what you're being called out for.

Well if you want to be technical, rape did mean ruin, but that's besides the point.

I didn't say that you saying "ruin" was a good indicator for me to bring up rape into the conversation. Nor did I say that you said being raped was a result or possible result, although the comparisons aren't far off.



And that's totally not an assumption right? She totally can't quit or find something else to do in the industry right?[/quote]

It is but I never said I didn't make assumptions in my previous reply did I? In fact I clearly point it out as an assumption by using the word likely before I made the statements. Also, it doesn't correlate to her not caring about her job, which is what you said I assumed/implied, don't try to avoid what you're being called out for.[/quote]

And yeah I re-read all your post and you didn't say that your post weren't full of assumptions, but that doesn't mean someone can't be critical of that statement.

And yes I'm being called out for a strawman. Even though I never really said you said anything about rape, nor did I really say that you claimed you weren't making assumptions. I was criticizing you for making them in the first place.

I'm not avoiding anything. Well I don't think I am. Maybe my reading comprehension is going full retard because it's 3am.



Could you please elaborate on this statement.

From the lyrics, and the whole attitude of the video all I could gather was something echoing the slut walk.(rebellious attitude towards what's consider the social norm, not being afraid to express yourself or to ignore those who criticize me)

Maybe you mean artist who are similar to her in general, but I'm still having a hard time seeing the image their music portray as something that promotes abusive relationships.

..what happened to this thread

I ruined it by being me.

Although it wasn't really that good to begin with.(sorry neo)

Well if you really want to be technical you should have said ruin did mean rape and not the other way around, as that was formally the case of what you were doing and there's a bit of a difference between the meaning if they're switched around. The reason I used a general statement was to avoid technicality.

True that you didn't directly say that I made a direct correlation between rape and my words, but it was pretty heavily implied.



I never said you can't be critical of my statements, by all means feel free to, just don't tell me I said something I didn't please.



It's not that they promote abusive relationships themselves, they promote the inability for women to choose not to be in them should they enter them. It's not a direct correlation either, it's indirect. The image that female idols portray in the media lead, young women especially, to think they have a certain image to live up to, one usually incredibly hard to attain and maintain. It's the trying to live up to that image that promotes stress, depression and insecurity, which are some prominent factors in why women have a hard time choosing to get out of an abusive relationship.

Edit: Yeah it's like 5 A.M. here. I know that feel.

Hey Cruz, is rape bad? THEN WHY DOES IT FEEL GOOD HUH YOU CAN'T EXPLAIN THAT. RAPE COMES IN, RAPE GOES OUT, YOU CAN'T EXPLAIN THAT.

Cruz, you'd make a great politician, and that isn't a compliment. Your stock is plummeting and Nobyl's is going up in a nearly vertical line.

Cruz,i just wanted to let you know even though we have our differences i basically agree with everything you're saying here. I mean i do think there are issues with the child star industry that can be damaging(this link explains it well)but as far as child stars go Cyrus seems to be relatively ok. Like she hasn't had to go to rehab or currently rambling on twitter. So yeah, compared to others it seems like she's doing alright.

P.S I deleted the bioschock statement because i haven't played it and i think it came off a bit arrogant.

Not very sure...(ò.o)

Sure I guess. I'm not too sure what you mean by that stock thing, but I know I'm guessing it's not good either.

Either way as for the whole, promote "abuse" thing...I'm still not that sure. I also still think you're just an angry /pol/ack.



Thanks for the link.

As for the whole bioshock thing, sounding like an arrogant asshole was intentionally. Partly because I really didn't like it, but also to snub Pyre. And because someone brought up video games and tried to compare opinions on what makes a game good or bad, to the actual effects of music videos or this culture of not "not giving a fuck" on girls, or society.

Wasn't this girl... in "Hannah Montana" yesterday?