Boycott the Publishers now.

Publishers don't get any revenue from aggregate sites like OM.

Am I the only one who's not raging over all these sites being taken down? Aggregate sites made money through ad revenue and premium membership fees by hosting works they never helped to create. They distributed scanlations without the permission of the group, as they had no regulation over that, and made money while doing so.

The only people who benefit from aggregate sites are the readers who have an unjustifiable sense of entitlement, and the people who made money off that: the site owners.

Looks like you quite don't understand.

There is mangas that will never make their way across the ocean to usa no matter what.

And publishers there attacking manga that will never being published at all ever.

In turn, pisses off people like me who was actually buying publisher's mangas.

Yeah, coming from me who spends 50-200$ a month on manga.

They lost a chunk of their revenue from me.

I stopped buying mangas last month at the earliest when I read the latest publisher's crusade on internet.

And guess what?

That means at most they already lost $400 from me. Cuz i didn't spend during this month and last month, idk, maybe i will uhh. Save that money now, dunno what to do with it. Extra money for food that's for sure.

Publishing companies have been shutting down aggregate sites, not scanlation groups. And no matter how hard publishing companies may try, they won't be able to stamp out scanlations.

To the people who're no longer buying works from the publishers: you're just biting the hand that feeds you.

Feeds me?

Lolwut.

maybe if they didn't discontinue series.
Its more like the other way around, consumers feed the publishers not other way around.

What that idiom means.

Now let's take a journey through how this industry works!

1. Mangaka submits their work to an editor with a publishing company, editor likes it, mangaka gets a contract with that publisher that includes royalties. (Royalties = Additional salary dependent upon how well their works sell.)
2. Publisher works with mangaka and distribution companies to mass produce that manga.

Foreign publishing company route:
3. If that series proves to be popular, foreign publishing companies will want to purchase the license rights for distributing it abroad...
*License fees are paid to the Japanese publishing companies, and in most cases, the mangaka will get a split of that as well. Whether most mangaka still get paid royalties from sales abroad isn't known.
4. If title sells well, foreign publishing companies will continue to release additional volumes. Conversely, if it fails to sell well, they'll see no point in pumping their limited funds into distributing that work, so they'll move onto other series (ie: spending the money on buying other licenses).

Japanese publishing company route:
3a. If the manga sells well, the publisher and mangaka both enjoy increased revenues. If it proves to be popular enough for an anime or video game, both will enjoy the revenue that comes in from the rights that must be purchased for such distribution.
3b. If that manga doesn't sell well, not only will the publisher lose money, but the mangaka as well (royalties).
4. Publisher cancels the series if costs exceed revenue. Mangaka loses job.

It all indirectly flows back to the mangaka who creates the series.

Still doesn't change the fact that there is some series that will never get translated into english by your lovely offical publishers.

Easiest example is Kodomo no Jikan

And harder examples is series like ID Greatst fusion fantasy, Immortal Regis, etc.

Yes, yes, so let's do the most logical thing and boycott the publishers, right? Because it's not like part of the money we pay them goes towards obtaining the distribution rights for other series or anything...

My point still remains valid.

I'm still waiting to find out what happens next in ragnarok into the abyss for years.

And guess what its still discontinued even when I kept on buying mangas.

So, i dun care anymore, since I won't get what I want, they won't get what they want either.

@CAllonia: you're starting to de-rail this yourself with your subjective rage to the Publishers.



You know that's another problem involving Publishers and the Mangaka. IT doesn't have anything to do with the problem.

Publishers are the same as investors. They WILL license and translate a certain manga IF they think that the manga is a GOLD MINE

It's not their fault if they didn't decide to publish some of the mangas you like, Since they don't think it's going to be worth the money and trouble.

If you were a publisher Would you spend money on publishing any random manga that does not guarantee they will make a lot of money.


-Ragnarok it's still in Hiatus, blame the mangaka, and so does X from CLAMP.

When I don't know about Onemanga, I still live happy, buying my mangas and gets exited when I know something new is coming to my country. But here you rely too much on Free sites and scanlations till you forgot the real enjoyment.


and if we start blindly boycotting the publishers, What would happen to the mangakas? They need a publisher to actually publish them, since they don't have any more money to spend other than to live and to draw. if Mangaka dies who would to blame? MAnga Publishers, no they're dead too since they don't receive any more money. It's going to be us that will kill the manga industry if we start blindly boycotting.

Picture yourself wearing their Shoes before hating them because how the act and do.

I don't get why people hate on sites like Onemanga. I mean, they were good to use to find mangas that we would like to read. Sure we could just look up the groups that translated them but how would we know about those kinds of mangas if it weren't for sites like Onemanga? Because of those sites I've been able to find multiple other mangas that I wouldn't have known otherwise.

Boycott everything, man. Feels good.

Maybe... I still like Yen Press. Definitely has a lot of quality.

AJ27, you asked the question, so I’m going to answer it:

What angers and frustrates many who oppose aggregate sites is that these sites are run with a profit motive. Many people are ignorant of the fact that legitimate companies actually own and make money off of these sites through ad revenues (and in some instances, premium membership fees) by exploiting other people’s free work.

Let’s use Manga Fox (MF) as an example.

How many visitors know that behind MF’s clean interface and seemingly friendly staff, stands the company, "NOEZ"? NOEZ operates from their office in China with a full-time staff. Allow me to quote their about us statement:



Hardly sounds like a “for the fans, by the fans” sort of venture.

Damn those greedy, profit mongering publishers! Those selfish, money-chasing corporate bastards!

\(´ヘ｀)/

Chiwa seriously the only way that any of these sites make money is by 3 ways.

1. Donations, which is up to the user visting the site to do.
2. By having Ad's on the site like is done here on Fakku with the Ad's at the bottom of every page. ( which truthfully I hate, since because of it there is no more Loli here. But it has to be there for this site to be run and I would rather have Fakku w/o Loli. then no Fakku at all.)
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3. Buy idiot site creators who do that premium thing. But who would be dumb enough to do that when it is easy to find sites that have the same stuff without the premium membersdhip stuff.

Other than showing how much value Onemanga has, and how much it makes from ad's. What is this supposed to do other than show what Onemanga does (giving free access to manga).

You seem to be missing the point.

Aggregate sites are run by volunteer users who generously donate their time to operating the site. Similarly, scanlations comes from groups who translate and scan out of good will. Finally, users who upload those scans to the aggregate site's servers do so without pay.

All three parties (administrative staff, scanlation groups, uploaders) do this for free. NOEZ has no hand in any of this, except for the financial and legal aspects. They don't do any of the scanlating, they don't do any of the site moderating, and they don't do any of the uploading -- that's how they're able to legally pocket the profits.

Their legal disclaimers have been worded in such a way that these parent companies have their asses covered from having to pay any damages. Take a look at any aggregate site's terms of use or other various legal disclaimers. The liability of copyright infringements clearly fall on the uploaders and scanlation groups.

The manga series artists and authors should be the ones making money -- not these companies that have been able to capitalize on the greediness of fans. And yet, when publishing companies step in and try to protect the rights of the artists they represent, fans cry foul. It's ridiculous.

(Please don't try to associate Fakku with this business model either. While it may seem as if Fakku has a similar organization to aggregate sites like MF, there are huge fundamental differences.)

It would be nicer if they put up the fact that they discontinued instead of continuing to sell the ten volumes that is currently out. So that people that buy would know that they got discontinued.

Let's see, your point being that you hate Manga sites that have a company in the background that is making money for doing nothing to run the site.... I just described almost every single manga site except for scanlators personal sites.



Any smart company would want a group of employees that do there work for free. With an easy way to place the blame somewhere other than on themselves when something goes wrong with their product.



I will agree it is the authors that should be making the money. However, people find ways to take advantage of other people's work and use it for there own gain. always have, alwayas will.



I both agree and don't agree with this comment. I agree in the fact that any company that is currently publishing a manga in the U.S. has the right to ask for those manga to not be on a site.(Ex. is what Yen Press has asked Onemanga to do with soul eater.) However I disaggree in the fact that everyone (well at least me) is crying foul over the fact that publishing companies are trying to protect there merchandise. I believe most are are crying foul cause the publishers are saying that not just the ones they are publishing, but all series are not allowed on the sites. including one that are not Licensed here in the U.S.

List of series I read that are not Licensed in the U. S. but being removed from sites cause of publishers.
Akuma Jiten
Happy World
Inumimi
Sekirei
Veritas
Yakuza Girl