[Locked] Grow up.

First and foremost, I wasn't defending Waar since I don't think he needs defended. I was simply chiming in with my opinion, for better or for worse. And I'll try to answer all of your questions in the order that they were presented to me.

No, I'm not trying to derail the current train of thoughts since that seemed to be the main topic at the moment. My post seemed relevant. If it wasn't relevant then I guess I'm at fault.

Should you keep it to yourself if you feel someone is being picked on? That's your call. But like I said earlier, I've been watching people (not just you) gripe about Waar and decided to say my part as well. I feel that there's no evidence to prove that he was making fun of Kaho. And the guy has flat-out stated that he wasn't, almost to the point of pleading it seems. If after that you still feel he was at fault, then yes, I think you should agree to disagree and keep it to yourself.

My purpose for "defending" him was quite simple - I was tired of hearing people (not just you, I'm not trying to single you out here) bitch about the whole situation. Futile bitching that just goes back and forth without resolving anything. I think the poll and topic in question isn't even worth arguing over.

And you'll probably point out that I'm arguing and contributing to this whole fiasco just as much as everyone else, so I'll go ahead and say ahead of time that I realize this.

right, but the point is I've already stated many times what my intentions were and are and you still seem to question them. You don't have to believe me but when it comes down to it you're simply going to believe what you want to believe why even ask me? You don't care about the truth, or at least you don't care about my answer. I know why people make me the bad guy, I know I generate heat with every comment even if it's not negative, but what can I do about it? It seems that because I've been nice for months people are jumping at "phantom insults" and interpreting things the way they want to. I believe in judging a man not by the color of his reputation but by the content and quality of his words(MLK baby).

How did I demonize myself? By making a unbiased poll which both users requested? Do you really believe a man only has one face? that I only post attack threads and make dick moves everywhere? Is it not possible for something constructive to come from me? If you really believe that is all I am than you have not been here long enough to see who I really am, and if you have then I pity you; you see nothing but the rage.

You should avoid jumping on stray dog as well, he simply disagrees with you and your comments, don't make this about him; focus on me.

That's all true and nice straydog but if you have noticed you only made it more active. If you really wanted it to stop you should've just stayed silent (like what you said "keep it to yourself") rather than post something with a seemingly sarcastic crossed out comment at the bottom.

Don't worry Waar I'm not one to suddenly jump on someone. Not believe on you? On contrary I would like to believe in you but rather the route you took on this charade is rather amusing. Why the word amusing? Since you already knew that what you said were misunderstood by other people yet you gave not a single word of apology. Rather you decided to push through on this crusade that you know is futile.

As for your topic on faces. It's true I commend you for that. A person doesn't have only one face rather a person has an infinite number of faces. However neither one is the true face remember that. All of those faces combined together forms you. Therefore the face that trolls, the face that created trouble and the face that gave everyone that bad impression of you will not cease to exist. So I believe that it's not only us that should understand your situation but rather you should also understand everyone's situation regarding you.

How did you antagonize or demonize yourself? Simple, you have already brought about the fact that many people already hate you. Don't count me in there tho cause I'm just plain doubtful. Yet you decide to make these threads that will allow them to misunderstand you. By doing so you're already saying "Come and flame me!" If you don't see it then I pity you. Because you will see nothing but rage.

@straydog: Waar himself has said you're defending him "Sorry Straydog, you defend me you get derepped". Or was that just sarcasm?

I believe that comment was to mock you for making it sound like some waar conspiracy.

and it probably is. Just to make sure they don't say I'm assuming that it is.

I did stay quiet, for quite a while I might add. But as stated in my above post people just continue to egg it on. I thought that if I pointed out the futility in all the arguing, that people might concede and then it would all dissolve. Obviously that was not the result.

And I'm quite positive that this whole debate would have continued even if I didn't add any input. Yeah, I'm adding fuel to the fire; I already agreed with you before you even said that. But it's a means to an end. Or at least it was.

AND HOW DARE YOU CALL MY BELIEF IN MANBEARPIG SARCASTIC.

let's try this another way.



Charade? Apology? For what? I have done nothing wrong. Is it futile to defend myself and my actions? Perhaps as it seems no matter what I say you refuse to take my words at face value. Is it futile to answer you questions? perhaps as every answer seems to face more resistance and seemingly endless disbelief. For someone who hasn't demonized me you sure do enjoy painting a somber picture of me.



Again, i do understand my reputation and I do know who I am. So why not judge each individual post by it's content rather than the name making it? Even if you were to look at the post by name and name alone I have contributed far more to this site than simple attack threads and veiled insults, how dare you (everyone who has) simply judge my words by the few threads you dislike. Let's flip this situation for a moment, I went back and looked at some of your previous posts (the most recent stuff) and it seems most of your post are placed in IB and are of the less than serious note, the few posts that have been in random have been in threads such as these and again weren't the highlight of any thread, should I base my entire opinion of you on those threads and disregard anything you say in the future? You believe I should understand everyone opinion of me? I do, but i also don't judge others by their reputation alone, perhaps I am the only one?

You say you don't judge me yet you continuously restate the same points which I continuously reply to with the same reply.



So I should avoid posting for all time because someone might make me out to be the bad guy? LOLOLOL. Do you believe it's alright to flame me for threads that have no ill intention then?



It was a joke, plus I believe you're focusing on the wrong part.

I really don't know how to explain this any better hina, you're the only one on a crusade right now, and I don't mind being the martyr but remember if you go to far you will become the target.

Oh dear lord, this has turned into another "Waar and TMS are always on the same side" debate? No matter how you cut this, you would have jumped on anyone who made that thread, be it me, waar, or even one of the mods. The thought of a thread never crossed my mind, I just saw that one had been made and decided to go in there, thinking there would be a chance for me to voice my opinion. Waar never said if he was in favour or against "ruuuuuuuuuuuu", and countlessy stated that he didn't vote. I really don't see what the big deal is. He made a thread, big deal.

I doubt that. If say, gambler, were to make such a thread, I highly fucking doubt anyone would look for hidden ill intentions in his posts and take it at face value.

And that, my friend, is what is wrong with the forums. If another user had made it, they would be accused of being my lackey or some other nonsense, and when a member with a special title attached says something everyone decides to act as nice as possible, while simultaneously trying to stroke that specific member's epeen as much as they can. I dream of a forum where all mods and admins are treated like normal members, where no one's opinion means more than another because of a title they might hold.

@waar:

As you said I should focus on you and just disregard the others.

Yes I don't judge you, like I said I'm just plain doubtful. If you won in a lottery I would still question you either you stole that or really won that. It doesn't mean I'm truly making you as a thief. Why apologize? Think about it, though you meant no harm (or maybe you do like I said I doubt a lot) the fact that you inflicted harm is something to apologize for.

As for being a target, I could really careless right now. Like you I know the consequence of stepping up and saying my ideas. In a way you can say that whatever happens here I'm just glad I am talking here toe to toe with you.

As for you not making posts anymore that's just ABSURD plain and simple. What I just mean is that you should be careful more. I am not a CR member through and through in fact I just go there to vote for their motemote but I can tell that they really have something against you. So with that said why not help the forums and stop the flame wars by being more considerate with your threads and posts? I don't believe it's right to flame you, tell me in what way have I flamed you as of current? Wasn't it you who said it's nice to have debates?

As for your "I've contributed much more to this forum," that makes you sound like you're full of yourself. When a person gives you food then kills your pet which one would you remember? Still of course the bad one. I am not saying that you can't give good threads in fact most are very intellectual but you have to understand that you're also to blame for such reputation. I do not know if your ego is just too big to say "sorry" for once since this is the internet after all.

Me on a crusade, this is amazingly true right now since most of your enemies are asleep lol. How can I be in a crusade though if my aim is not to target someone but rather just gather my thoughts? It is you who's doing this right now to retrieve what you lost from that thread. Like a crusader you march with your allies to prove you are right. A martyr? Perhaps the same can be said to all who posted in that thread. Each one had staked to get flamed just to throw a punch at you.

butting in on the last moment

this is really turning into another "asshole on the internet" thread but, as far as this thread is going, it's really futile.

Not offending or anything but waar, let's just face it, public opinion is a hard thing to change and when they think you're a trouble maker, troll, TMS's butt buddy, etc. IMO, you'll stay that way in the eyes of those who saw your act that represents what i've mentioned about you. and on this thread, since you clearly know and realize and also proud that you're an asshole, you clearly made it seems like you have a hidden intention all along with the kaho's "ruuuuuu" attack. if you really don't have any ill will or anything, you clearly didn't think of it much that this will turn into a stupid grow up argument.

and about what if gambler's the one who posted the thread? one clear point is, he's not waar and waar is not gambler and people's opinion and their intention is clearly different so it's really can't be compared

and really, what happened with the "i'm sorry" thread TMS? surely you have the intelligence to at least know that if you don't like something about another person, it'll be appreciated if you tell them secretly, not by making an open up argument/poll about what you didn't like about that person. i'll stay neutral but with that thread, you clearly are showing that you really are a troll. And like everyone said, we have PM system. I don't know who or what in your PM box but really, learn to grow up, there's a line when people will get bored with troll. Especially the same troll that got trolled eventually

i'll summarize this, i stand neutral but in my opinion, waar is asking for it. By asking for it i mean is that he probably know that there'll be an argument like this or whatever, he might have another intention but i don't know what it is and i don't care since this thread is just another pointless "he's a troll" "he insulted someone" "he's an asshole because he blah, blah, blah" if someone decides to quote this and reply back to me, i'll gladly take you on another post for as long as you like about what's on my mind about this whole matter

I can't say enough that I wasn't the one who made the thread. I did actually PM kaho, before the thread was made, and took a screen shot to prove it when asked. How am I being a troll, by speaking up and saying what not just a few people were thinking? Never once did I insult or attack kaho, but people insist on telling me that I did. I even gave him a helpful and polite suggestion on where to move his "catchphrase" so that it could be seen by all and turned off if people didn't want to see it. But I guess we should all disregard that stuff, right?

well that was a lot said, and point taken as well. good job friend.

what i was saying with my post is

whatever you told or say, whether it is the truth or not, won't be recognized as the truth at all. and as i said, people's opinion about you is a bad or i can say a negative one, and you do know the problem that comes from that so what i'm trying to say is, you're asking for it because you posted something like that with a reputation like yours as a troll though i dare to say that if you really have changed and post something like that after let's say, a month of different attitude, i bet people's reaction will be different

and in my post i did say that i don't know whether you PM it or not or even whatever or whoever you send PM is so what do you want to proove by quoting that part of my post? it won't change the fact that you don't have a valid or strong point to proove you don't have any ill will, not with your current reputation

It's like the best way to relieve boredom is to argue about stupid shit in this thread.

agreed fella ;__;

Agreed, I just wasted three hours of my life without noticing it.

So because I have a reputation as an asshole all of my posts are meant to be hostile. Yeah, that sure makes sense.