iPhone 4S

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Imperial, you wrote what I wanted to write for ZengarZanvolt. Kudos for you.

These videos are pretty cool.

You know why people continue to call you a fanboy? It's simple. You praise everything about the iPhone 4S without acknowledging that other phones have already done everything it does almost a year ago.

Just go ahead and re-read what you wrote. All the specs of the iPhone 4S is basically the exact same specs found in the Galaxy S2. Any mention of that? Nope. Just praising how good the new specs are. They basically just put out-of-date parts into the phone. Just in case you didn't know, NVIDIA has basically finished the new Tegra 3 quad-core processor, which will most likely be shipped out into new phones soon. So yes. the "new" stuff in the iPhone 4S is out of date.

Granted, I do enjoy the look of the iPhone 4. It's very elegant while still being extremely simple. I own the Galaxy S2, but I do enjoy the look of iPhone 4 more. Mostly because the Galaxy S2 has a weaker design such as the cheap looking back cover. But that's all a matter of opinion. My fingers are quite large, and I can easily slide the notification bar down. If you bought the Galaxy S2, it's should be pretty damn obvious what you were in for. You knew it had a large screen, as such, comfort may have been an issue. That's why people try out phones before they buy them.

As for the camera? I've only had a small experience with it. The pictures taken with the iPhone 4 offers a slightly dark color palate, while the Galaxy S2 offers a lighter one. It's almost pointless to compare cameras. Depending on lighting, what picture is being taken and a ton of over factors, each camera will have it's own strong point. However, the iPhone 4 does have a built in HDR mode, which helps bring out the pictures better.

Also, you haven't even gotten to use Siri yet, but you still praise the crap out of it like it's a new god that'll fix your life for you.

iOS is also an opinion. I know many people who turned away from the iPhone simply to get away from dealing with iTunes. My sister had trouble trying to put simple ringtones in her phone, because iTunes was being a bitch. It's rather hard to have fun with out a phone when it's completely controlled by one software program.



This is why people call you a fanboy. Quit talking about Apple like it's your saviour and start looking at it objectively.

Normally I don't bother with long responses but I'm in a bad mood today with Steve dying.



Firstly, the iPhone line has never been about the specs, because unlike Samsung, Apple only makes new handsets on a yearly basis. That's why I don't emphasize much about the specs when I talk about the iPhone, because that's not what makes people buy iPhones. I only mentioned the specs list to compare it to the iPhone 4, and not any other handset.

OK, so you get your flashy SGS2, and you get a 4K+ result on Quadrant without overclocking it with the 1.2GHz Dual Core Exynos CPU. So what? When you scroll down a website, is it smooth yet? Does the framerate of the page going down the screen seem natural? The iPhone 4 had a single-core 833MHz A4, but I can tell you, the web page does scroll smoother on the iPhone 4 compared to the Galaxy S2.

When you play Doodle Jump, how is the frame rate? The iPhone 4 still destroys the SGS2 here. The SGS2 may do more triangles per second, but so what? It lags when you play Cut The Rope if you compare it to the iPhone version. Don't tell me it's not true - just get Cut The Rope on your phone right now, and then get your friend's iPhone 4. The difference is not just there - it's big.

There are so many more examples I can list, but the point is this - the specs are not the most important thing in a smartphone.



I actually like the SGS2's battery cover. The fact that it's so flexible not only reduces the phone's weight (the SGS2 is a bit lighter than the iPhone 4), it also reduces the chances of it receiving damage when you change the battery pack. As you can see from my video, I own the SGS2 primarily for watching anime during my time spent in public transport.

As fellow owners of the SGS2, I think we can both agree on its atrocious battery life, especially when decoding MKV. Personally, my battery dies in about 3 hours flat if I decode 720p. I spend 2 hours on the train every day and I also use it when I have lunch, so there's no way one battery will last me the whole day. Thus I have to change the battery at least once a day (at around 1PM) and that cover being so durable is a nice touch.

Nothing to say about the screen size - you already said it yourself.



If you want HDR you can get apps for that on the Android Market. The software isn't really what I'm talking about. In fact, the built-in camera app is more powerful for Android compared to iOS. The iOS camera app can't even adjust the ISO. Of course, this is easily fixed by the plethora of camera apps on the App Store.

I am talking about the lens. The iPhone 4 shoots at 3.85 mm f/2.8, which is equivalent to a 35mm film camera equivalent lens of 29.4mm f/21.4. That is seriously capturing a LOT of light for a cellphone camera. It is 5MP and the pixel pitch is 1.75 µm. That equates to a 1/3.2" sensor which is pretty much already in range with normal point and shoot cameras.

Right now I don't have an iPhone 4 (already sold it for an iPhone 4S) but try taking nabbing one off your friend and take photos of a same subject under artificial light/flash with your SGS2 and compare - the difference will really show you just how much the iPhone 4 camera is superior by.

And why are we talking about the iPhone 4? It's 18 months old, man. The iPhone 4S camera far beats the iPhone 4 - and every other non-Nokia smartphone in existence, for that matter.



Because it will. There isn't a single tech blog/person who has seen Siri and wasn't impressed by it. Engadget did all sort of things to psych it out (read their hands-on) and it never failed to recognize what they're saying once. This is the first time voice recognition actually works properly, and it is extremely usable.

I think you need to watch some live demos of it, because you don't seem to realize how big it is.



It's far easier to get ringtones onto an iPhone than any Android phone, really. You can do all the cropping and editing of a track straight in iTunes and send it to the iPhone with one click. On the SGS2 you can't even edit a track. You just have to select a song on the SD card...and that's it.

Also, all iOS devices will function 100% if you don't have iTunes, or even without a computer. You can set up an iOS device right out of the box by itself. Many people own an iPhone, and have never synced it with iTunes. I'm not one of those people, but it's an option.

If people don't like iOS and think Android is better - fine, get an Android phone. Nothing wrong with that. To this date I have never said anything bad about Android because I objectively look at things. I merely say that I prefer iOS over Android for many reasons such like being able to Undo. If one likes Android because it can get widgets on the home screen - then buy one! It's perfectly acceptable! But saying iOS sucks just because they don't use it means they're douches.



Do you ever see me calling Android users bad things? No. I've recommended Android phones so many times on the forums. I post in the Android thread with a positive attitude, unlike you people who just rudely stomp into any thread related to an Apple product and start throwing insults at it just because you don't like it.

I can hardly see who the fanboy here is. If you look at who defends the platform they use more while attacking people who use something else, I think you're more of an Android fanboy than I am an iOS fanboy. Truth right here. You will never see me attack an Android device or a Windows Phone unless haters pull out the gun first.

i think one of the main issues with these threads is that theres never anything here proving that the insanely high price point for an unlocked phone is even worth it, or paying a high price and still be locked into a 2 yr contract. one of the main reasons why im always skeptical as fuck when looking at apple anything.

of course, android devices run a similar problem with the fact that you buy it even though its cheaper, and a month later its outdated

technology sucks. :/

You call that an attack on Apple?

How often do I post in Apple threads? I only posted to simply respond to your post. So no. I did not stomp into your thread to bash Apple. How did I bash them when all I merely did was point out facts? Yes, the iPhone 4S has out of date specs. That much is pretty much proven at this point. My first comment may have a bit of spite in it, but at the same time, it is pointing out that fact.

Almost everything that Apple put into the phone, was in fact already in Android phones before it. That is not fanboying, that is fact. Can the iOS5 do it better? Perhaps. Perhaps not. Only time will tell when it comes out. But regardless, it's cold hard fact that yes, Android did it first. Is it copying? Yes and no. If a feature is good, then it's obviously going to adapted by other smartphones. That's how technology works.

Also all the issues you claimed with the battery life of the Galaxy S2 can easily be remedied with a custom rom. The argument is that the iPhone 4/S can be used straight out of the box, with a great battery life. I am first the admit that Galaxy S2 does have a rather depressing battery life. Gingerbread, does a relatively good job of managing tasks, so that your phone doesn't die too quickly, but not as good as the iOS. However, this is why a lot of people get custom roms, which in my personal opinion, is half the reason to get an Android in the first place. After installing a custom rom, I got a little less than 5 hours of decoding 720p video. If you look at whats draining your phone with moderate usage, it's most likely going to be the display. What else can you expect from a 4.3" SAMOLED+ display? Do I wish that the Galaxy S2 had better better battery life? Of course. I've seen my sister get over 7 hours of video with her iPhone 4, through streaming PPTV.

What I am bashing, is the way your present your post. Sure you may not have bashed Android in it, but what irks people is how you sound exactly like Apple marketers. If you just go ahead and re-read your post, you'll realize you sound exactly like those guys who sit in front of the white screen, spending 5 minutes telling you how great their product is. So yes, you do sound like an extremely annoying fanboy, more so because you never acknowledge other phones in your post.

Yes, I don't care for Apple products much. Simply because I believe they're overpriced. Do I really care that you or the other couple hundred thousand others who want to go out and buy the iPhone 4S on the day it launches? No. I don't give a rats ass. In fact, I'll be happy you do. I invested into Apple, so the more money they make, the more money I make. I don't give two shits that you or the millions of other want to buy into the Apple hype, but the raw specs are there for everyone to see.

Honestly after so much textual content, my eyes hurt and I can only say tl;dr, let me just shorten the story, you buy an apple product for a huge amount of money just to see that youve been ripped off by either an android that has been out already or an android that will come shortly in a month or two with at least the doubled specs for less money, no matter how much anyone defends apple its obvious even with their computers that youre wasting money just for the label and even if they look great its just not worth the money, a htc looks even better in my opinion or an arc but that is my personal opinion... but still I will have to say this, guys you want a phone, get a phone, not a pc, because there is always something new and it just never ends, its enough that you have to spend 500$ for a new laptop every 3-4 years but to the same for a phone, or even more is just ridiculous.

And Android devices aren't locked into 2 year contracts in the USA? They're not cheaper than iPhones in any way either - they just lose their resale value faster because of the reason you stated...



Yes.



I've already lost count how many times I've said that the iPhone line wasn't about specs, so yeah. ._.



Are you talking about the new features of iOS5 or just iOS in general? Because if you are referring to that latter, that's just hilarious. Apple is the first company to commercially utilize and integrate Multi-touch into a mobile OS in 2007. Do you remember what smartphones are like before the iPhone? Android is a direct rip-off of iOS, really.

Windows Phone 7 on the other hand actually innovated. The Metro interface and live tiles are fresh and new. Android never did anything new. They just copied iOS from the skeleton up and slapped on some extra features like widgets and live wallpapers. Is there any wonder Apple is suing them? You don't see them suing Microsoft for WP7, do you?

There's not much room to argue back when all Samsung and Google have to sue Apple back are a few lousy network patents - nothing to do with the UI.



News flash - did you know that one of the things Apple is suing Google for is that Notifications Bar? Apple pioneered the modern model of the Notifications system with Mac OS 9 - even though they got rid of it in OS X and didn't implement it into the iPhone until iOS 5.

As I said before, if Android did ANYTHING first, then why aren't they suing? You can say they are, but I don't see anything in the current Samsung v. Apple lawsuit that has anything to do with the UI. When I see the Apple v. Samsung + HTC lawsuits, almost everything is UI based. Go figure - Apple pioneered all that in 2007 with the first iPhone.

Again I want to point out how innovative WP7 and WebOS are. Apple can't do a thing to them because almost everything was rethought and redesigned from the ground up. It's truly a shame that Android is the system gaining momentum, when WP7 and WebOS have are fundamentally better, less fragmented and more solid.



I've tried a few and none of them made any noticeable difference. I'm still waiting for a stable build of CyanogenMod because from my past experiences with a Nexus One, that ROM is really pretty good and does wonders for performance and usability (especially getting rid of the awful TouchWiz).

I'd love to get 5 hours of h.264 MKV decoding on mine, so may I ask what ROM you're using? Right now I have to carry a spare battery with me which is totally unacceptable, tbh.



Heh. I don't bash Android when iOS isn't involved, nor do I bring up the notion of iOS in any Android threads. However, when the matter of iOS is brought up, I can only state the truth, and the truth is what I've written above in this post. None of those are opinions unless otherwise stated.

In our current industry, when someone actually copied from someone else, there's bound to be suing. When you look at the lawsuits, things are as clear as day as who is in the wrong. While I'm not agreeing that our current system is good (nor do I approve of Apple suing everyone - anti competition), it does do a good job showing just who the real innovators are.

And if I don't acknowledge other phones, why did I pay like $600 for a SGS2...? Just to bash it or to throw it in a blender? Sorry, I'm not a hater.



I do have AAPL, and have had AAPL since 2007. It has never let me down once, and I think we agree with that.

depends on service provider, actually

and technically, losing resale value DOES make it cheaper, though. Its a lot easier, and cheaper to grab the Android device you were looking at a short while down the line just because something brand spanking new came out :)

of course, that doesnt apply if youre the guy who wants everything brand new and top of the line...

DON'T MAKE MY CREDIT CARD WAIT ANY LONGER!





Absolutely! I'm laughing at those retards who bought a SGS2 for $900 when it first came out...I paid $600 for it just 2 months later.

I'm going to make this short. I don't have time to argue this anymore, nor do I really want to. My midterms and work are starting to pile up as, so I will have basically no time left for play.

1. You claim that the iPhone is not about specs. Regardless of what you're claiming, Apple is touting the new technology as part of the new phone. They claim that the iPhone 4S comes with specs that equal the iPad 2, since it uses the same parts. So basically, Apple is selling people a phone with parts that are over a year old. Not exactly innovating.

2. Yes, Apple has the patent on multi-touch, but the invention of multi-touch actually predates the 2007 iPhone. So while Apple has the patent, they did not create it. I'll give them credit for putting it into phones and introducing it to the mainstream, something I cannot deny.

3. A quick read through your link showed that quite a few, including some of the other patent infringements against other companies are ridiculously broad. So broad that it can be applied to a ridiculous about of tech today. While I am hardly someone who is capable of deciphering all the legal mumbo-jumbo as I have basically no back ground in law, a cursory glance easily told me that the US Patent Office is full of shit.

4. You're right. In the current lawsuits against Apple, very few, if not none, are about the UI. But that's basically because the US Patent Office decided to grant extremely broad patents to Apple, covering damn near every inch of the UI and design. Call 'em innovating, but it's more like they know how to work around the legal system.

Take a look

5. This one is my opinion so take from it what you will. If Apple does have the patent on it, but simply chose to remove it, then what is the point? Apple only chose to bring it back when Androids proved that there was indeed a market for it. So basically, Apple was using other phones as guinea pigs, then when it turns out to be successful, SUPRISE: a big-old lawsuit slap to the fact.

6. This patent war is not going to end up pretty for either side. You can claim that Apple is in the right since their "innovations" are their patents. But if you actually carefully analyze their patents, you'll just see that they just basically cover a ton of bases that makes innovation for other companies extremely difficult. Yes I can admit that some of the patents are justifiable, and some design choices are just lazy, who followed the trend set by the iPhone. But regardless, innovation is pretty fucking hard when your competition basically strangles you at every turn with patents.

7. Why do you think Apple isn't bothering to sue Windows Phone 7. Is it really because it doesn't step on any of the patents? Of course not. It's basically because they're not a threat to them in the market. How many people actually own and use a Windows Phone 7? I don't know one, do you?

8. Just as a side note, I switch roms regularly, but I believe I was using the X-Power+ rom, along with Juice Defender app. Also, this is my fault, but I forgot to mention that I use the 2000mah batter by Samsung when watching videos, not to mention that I keep my interface as simple and possible, removing apps that run in the background. My apologies that I forgot to mention that.

[font=verdana][color=green]Okay, I decided to read through all the pages of text, but these points interested me most of all.

Now, what point are you exactly trying to prove here? From a third-party prospective - someone who has never bought an Android or iPhone in his life - it appears that you are praising Apple for having such good patents. Or rather, you should be praising them for their patents, but are instead using it to attack them. Unlike IPX, I'm going to keep this very brief, as I hate arguing with people who needlessly attack Apple simply because they innovate. You say that they know how to work their way around the legal system, which is true, but that's half of it. If they don't have the products to make these patents, then they'll be shown the door when they try to get them.

I really can't be bothered making this any longer, but in short: having these wide-ranging patents is a good business strategy from Apple and, instead of being attacked for it, they should be praised for having innovated how they did.

In other news, I'm buying an iPhone 4S. Simply because I was more convinced that they're products are better than others on the market. This comes from someone who has hated on Macs till the cows come home.

What I'm pointing out is that basically these patents severely restrict what other OS can do with their UI simply because Apple has such a tight lease on what is their intellectual property. For a basic example:



Just pulled from the link ImperialX posted. It's pretty self-explanatory. You may think: "Oh, it's just an image. If they don't use an image, it's fine." Nope, you're wrong. There aren't many loop holes to it. From basically what I gathered (but don't take my word as face value), it basically means that if you unlock your phone by swiping your finger over your screen, it's an infringement on their patent.

Other patents are just as broad, and basically covers most of what Androids use today. What I'm saying is that Apple is basically ousting Android with ridiculous patents granted by the American Patent Office. These patents are so broad, and can be applied to basically everything, makes it pretty damn hard to innovate. ImperialX claims that Apple is innovative while Android is basically copying them. What I argue is that these Apple patents makes developing an UI for other phones damn extremely difficult without stepping on any of these 20, and most likely more that Apple hasn't pulled out, patents.

So what happens if they succeed, and Android is taken off the market? You're basically going to leave all innovation to one company that believes restricting the user to only their programs that they developed is the right thing to do? I'd rather get the old phones back that can only call and text. But hell, I'll give it to them. They know how to work the legal system to their favor and market their stuff to masses who'll eat it all up. I'll give it to Apple: they're pretty fucking good at doing business.

And yes, I'm done with this thread. And no, I will not be replying anymore.

Since you have made your intentions clear, I won't post another response because it may cause you to come back and waste more time of your precious life in this pointless thread.

I have read every word you wrote and respect the input you provided, so don't assume I'm insulting your intelligence by not replying. I just want to thank you for the ROM recommendation and wish to save some of your time - because I'm sure you have better things to do.

I think I'll wait until a better phone comes out. I mean, it seems really cool and all, but I'm currently still happy with my LG Lollipop. I suppose I'm not exactly a phone person, since spending so much money on an iPhone comes pretty useless to me. I mean, how long until I can jailbreak it? :/

A lot of people from my school use iPhones, but it never really appealed to me. Despite the iPhone having amazing applications not available on normal phones, I wouldn't actually ever use them. Well, that's just my opinion to how my money would just go down the drain.

Oh, they also said 4S stands for 4Steve. Get it?

Dammit ImperialX why?
But on topic. I don't like the iphone because you still can't supplement the memory with a microSD card, or do anything with the OS besides what is in the app store.(Jailbreaking doesn't help much either)
I still like my Motorola VE40 because it takes a microSDHC card and calls and texts. And holy shit, my battery lasts for more than a day too.

Can a jailbroken iphone tether its 3G connection to other devices?

Only 99 cents, which makes it less expensive than the buying the "upgrade"

You can get a 64GB iPhone which is more than enough for all your content even compared with phones that do support SD cards. Also, regardless of class, the read/write speed on MicroSD will always lose to the built-in Flash memory. This is one of the predominant reasons why the Galaxy S2 is better than the HTC Sensation - because when you have things like apps loaded on an SD the performance is compromised. Phones that have 64GB of flash memory - let alone 32GB are quite rare nowadays.

And what do you really want to do with iOS that it can't already do? =x