iPhone 4S

I hate apple, but i only love their iphones and ipods... not really a fan of their computers. so is this out already?

Dammit, I would totally get this if I wasn't on my personal ban of Apple products until I approve of their business practices... Regardless, this is a great phone for anyone looking to jump into smartphones or is due for an upgrade.

Let me go ahead and explain why i don't like the *hint CLOSED SOURCE *hint iPhone.

I also prefer a microSD, because the 64GB iPhone is fucking expensive, and my microSD can be mounted like a flash drive with a computer, making my phone a lot more useful. But you can keep your crappy Apple products. The more deman there is for Apple, the cheaper good stuff gets.

Siri is so sassy.





Really liked how how you skipped the part about access speed limitations of SD cards. And you seem to imply that Android is open? Is that a joke? Has any developers outside of Google ever seen Ice Cream Sandwich yet?

Apple's annual update.

It's like EA releasing Fifa each year.

Really liked how how you skipped the part about access speed limitations of SD cards. And you seem to imply that Android is open? Is that a joke? Has any developers outside of Google ever seen Ice Cream Sandwich yet?[/quote]

Access speed limitations? Oh, you mean the ones that you wouldn't really notice with the average processor speed of a phone coupled with the low speed requirements of music, video, and apps.

And I don't remember ever mentioning google, but while they aren't open source they do not set limitations from the beginning like the iphone.

Plus if you do your research, there are many distros of Linux that can run on cell phones. While i do not expect the average users to get on board with Linux it is a good alternative to Apple's lockeddown software.

If that were the case, why do all Android phones still carry built-in flash memory when they can just all use SD cards (which are far cheaper in cost)? I think you haven't used a smartphone for too long and is underestimating the things people do on their phones nowadays. People don't just play solitaire anymore. As powerful as the Samsung Galaxy S2 is, it can't even decode 720p/h.264 MKV if the file is stored on an SD card, let alone 1080p. It must be on its native flash storage. A lot of applications and games are highly dependent and affected by the access speed. It's not just normal computers that benefit from flash memory anymore.



Yes they do, with HTTP streaming for one. One of the biggest problems I've had with Android is you can't stream video files stored on a remote server (this case my computer) to the phone. iOS has had it since 2009. Another one is the lack of support for Proxies in Wi-Fi connections, making it completely useless at many universities including mine that uses Proxies in their Internet connections. If it's truly open source, developers should be able to implement plugins to fix this. They can't unless you root it.



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Have fun with those.

Why i need a iphone!

The 10Mbps of my microSD have done just fine with access times in my GalaxyS2, and most people don't actually view full HD on a phone. Mainly because they come with really huge file sizes.

And once again, you mistake the oversight of proxies as a purposefully built-in limitation like there still not being flash, or the limitation on files that can be put on it, and the lack of a file explorer.

It's obvious by "distros" that you're not referring to the kernel itself, so I'm obliged to inform you that what you're referring to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.

Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called "Linux", and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project.

But i was talking about the linux Kernel, that was used to load a proprietary system. Specifically the uClinux Kernel that is used for smaller systems like phones.

The uClinux kernel is used to load the other software, but it uses a UNIX type filesystem and is for embedded or small scale systems.

So while i am aware of the distinction you are trying to make, the linux i am referring to is not a distro as much as a seperate kernel with other distros off of it. if you follow me?

That is called a kernel fork.

I think they merged it though.

Apparently, it was included into the development of 2.5.46.

Cool i still use 2.6.18. So maybe i can run ubuntu on my phone. Time to experiment!

I think if you move some of your apps back from the MicroSD to the main memory you will see some noticeable speed increase, especially in boot time.

And once again, you mistake the oversight of proxies as a purposefully built-in limitation like there still not being flash, or the limitation on files that can be put on it, and the lack of a file explorer. [/quote]

With well over a few thousand complaints already on Google Support, with uncountable other threads of the same issue, I see it as a far bigger missing necessity than Flash, especially when so many companies and educational institutes use such a protocol.

Pretty much everything you need on the phone are put on with iCloud. Apple purposely do not build in a file manager. Your music, movies and photos are pushed from all your devices to one another via. iCloud, as with your documents, books etc. If you opt to use Dropbox that's also fine. I don't really see the need for a visible file system.

Naturally, if you do want to see the iPhone's file system so much, jailbreak it and access it via. SSH. I've never seen the point though.

So you mention rooting like it is the plague then you move on to jail-breaking, which is overriding the built-in limiter and installing third party apps to fix the flaws of the OS. Oh, and btw you can install a proxy controller on a rooted Android OS.

You also point out the access speed times of a microSD, but the access times of iCloud and Dropbox are atrocious on 3G speed. So where are you trying to go with this?

I'm quite sure I mentioned that proxy settings can be unable with plugins once you root the phone, as with how the iPad 2 and the iPhone 4S can run flash like butter once you jailbreak it. The fact is neither Android or iOS are 'open' like Linux is. They are developed by proprietary companies to run on proprietary hardware and work on proprietary carriers. Android calling itself open is just a smokescreen. They revealed ICS today. Did anyone outside of Google see it as it was work in progress? Na-da. How open is that?



Eh, I was referring to iCloud as a counter to what you said about the iPhone having no visible file system. The reality is the iPhone does have one, and iCloud is a way of you transferring all the data you need to the phone, as with Dropbox. It's the same on Android - these services do cache your files once they are downloaded to the device, and you can access your files even if you don't have 3G on your flash memory.

I never mentioned anything about iCloud with relation to access speeds of the SD card. I already put that one down after we both agreed that HD MKVs choke on SD cards, and people do get SGS2 to watch anime on the go.

Based on the way you replied to my two points before this, I don't think we're talking on the same page because you're bringing back points which I believe I've already covered. Here is a summary of everything I've said so far to avoid further confusion.

iPhone's Lack of MicroSD -> MicroSD Cards have slow access speeds, painful to playback HD video.

iOS's Lack of visible file system -> iCloud and Dropbox are extremely convenient. Apps also have their individual storage space in which you can move files over with Wi-Fi Sync. If you absolutely have to see a file system though, jailbreak and SSH will get you the same thing as Android.

Android doesn't lock things down like iOS does -> That's Google's marketing smokescreen. Android is just as closed source as iOS and Windows Phone 7 is. Apps do get moderated and pulled from the Android market, as with new builds of Android never being shown to the public outside of the Googleplex. It's just that when Apple pulls an app there is far more media fuss just because it's Apple.

iOS doesn't have flash -> Flash sucks bad, and Apple made a really good choice not including it. If you absolutely want it though (can't even imagine why), iOS can run it quite well once you jailbreak it, as with Android doing proxy connections once you root it.

Linux Distros on Smartphones -> You do that. We'll hold onto iOS, Android and WP7. Have fun.

Again, I would like emphasize just like what I said on page 2 - I do like Android very much as with all other smartphone platforms except Symbian and Meebo. I just do not enjoy unnecessary hate being poured onto iOS like what most ignorant people are doing.

You obviously aren't getting my point.. I couldn't give two fucks about who made what OS and their faults and limitations. I am just trying to outline alternatives to what is currently out there. I am not seeking a phone that just does what Apple, Google, Microsoft, etc., want it to do. I just want to have a device that can be used as a versatile platform for other things.

You however wanted to bring arguments about companies i did not mention or allude to. I know good and damn well that Android isn't open source. I also know tha there are ways to get around the built in limitations of the devices. What I am trying to say is that there should be no reason to have to workaround limiters built into the system, whether it be made by Apple, Microsoft, Google, or whoever. The only limitation on a device should be what a user is capable of doing.

Fair enough. I don't really think this is an argument anymore because we've already both strayed away from an iOS vs Android debate. I would like to go back to the Linux distribution you mentioned before. You noted that you're not seeking a phone that just does what Apple or Google wants it to do, and that's why you want Linux. Let me ask you something though - what exactly do you want your phone to do that and Android phone or iPhone can't do? I really can't think of a lot, if anything.

You have constantly mentioned using Linux distributions on your devices that isn't Android. It would interest me to for you to show me these distributions you'd opt to use over Android, because quite frankly I'm just not quite ready to believe that for any reason, one wouldn't want to use Android 4.0 (which just got announced yesterday) on their phones in favor of another distribution. I don't think anything even comes close in terms of features, polish and even versatility of the SDK.