Abortions - Right or Wrong?

Holy fuck. Back up. I did NOT go through with an abortion. I was NEVER pregnant.
I had a pregnancy scare which resulted in just a scare due to stress. I said that in my first post.

Give me a minute to get my thoughts back straight before answering your other questions. I need to breathe again.

Sorry, my apologies. The way you wrote after to me sounded like you did have a pregnancy... lol.

It was a misconception on my part, but my first question still holds.

The fact of the matter with pregnancy is you have hormonal changes. I'll try to explain it, but honestly for anyone who hasn't experienced it really can't totally grasp the concept.

I'll use my birth control as an example. My hormones are irregular, therefore I take birth control to regulate it to get a normal monthly period. When I forget to take my pill, it throws the system off and it's like throwing a rock in a still lake.

Results that could occur from that are easily upset and really sensitive. I remember one time I had to take a bone final in my anatomy class where we'd have to walk around the room to different stations and look at a bone and name different parts on it. I was so nervous that I did badly on it, and wanted to freak out. By the time I got to my sociology class I broke my thumb nail and just started crying in my seat (I sat in the back, I didn't cause a scene)

I'm not the type of girl that cries over broken nails. But another time my backpack strap broke on the way home from school and I called my now ex up and started bawling. You cry over little things and your head is yelling at you because you know you're crying over stupid things and thus getting angry at yourself and resulting crying because you're crying.

Not fun stuff.

I'm just stating, when a girl gets pregnant, her body is changing and it just gets stronger and stronger along the process.

Sure, I guess people could want the baby for vindictive reasons. Child support, getting their husband/boyfriend back (or trying), etc. But I was stating more with body chemistry.

*edit* the birth control hormonal thing isn't stating that that's how girls feel during pregnancy (they can) but I used it as an example of what hormonal levels changing can do to a person (it varies per person).

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To your response of how I reacted beforehand <_< I felt like my heart stopped for a second. My eyes bulged a little. The last thing I need is everyone misunderstanding and thinking I had an abortion.

@ZiggyOtaku: I'm somewhat confused, not by your analysis but the logic. You mentioned that pregnancy causes hormonal changes, which can lead to irrational thoughts/behavior - that I get. You also mentioned that birth control controls the rate of periods - that I get.

What I'm not understanding is that you missed taking the pill? Which in turn caused the emotional stress and you thought you were pregnant but weren't. If so, (and this might be a prying question) you take birth control pills regularly to get that normal monthly period, and that by nature your hormones are irregular since puberty?

I think I might've answered my own question, but I wasn't too sure if I followed the logic.

edit: sorry sorry. I definitely jumped the gun there, nothing else.

No, the period example with the birth control thing is irrelevant to my pregnancy scare story D; forget about that. I should probably edit that out.

I was fine with my pill when I had been with my ex DURING that time frame of the pregnancy scare. He had recently broken up with me and I had been upset. Periods can be reset from high levels of stress. Stress causes many symptoms. Lots of those symptoms are similar to pregnancy symptoms.

Excess tiredness, fatigued, sick in the stomach, gained weight, etc. The missed period was just my body resetting it's period cycle so I missed a period. Thus making me scared that I had been pregnant along with all those other symptoms.

It just happens.
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I'm not sure if this is scientific or not, so somebody feel free to correct me. But possibly as to why a period cycle would reset during high levels of stress would be due to the fact that a females body is figuring now would be a bad time to get pregnant, we should hold back and reset and wait for a better time. It seems logical, but I don't have any scientific weight on it.

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We're so offtopic =\

@ZiggyOtaku: (We're still on topic... somewhat) Now I get it, and that makes sense.

I just think that women should have the right to choose and that it shouldn't be forced upon to make that the child to be born in the world. It's like once you know you're pregnant, you're condemned to be a mother for life when you didn't want to.

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Abortion, the birth control part was fine by me but disposing human so easy it's disrespect to humanity, you know, even in war, they take prisoners, even the barbaric wasn't up to that. what I thought right and wrong is matter of law then good and bad is matter by overall advantage in nature, I consider it bad.

It's basically wrong. I think it's very evil... I mean, the kid couldn't even defend himself.

Is it a kid? That's the main question. We have one side that believes that once the embryo (zygote) is formed, it will grow up to be a human being regardless of the sentience factor. The other side (me included) consider abortion up to a point where the fetus is matured to a point where the brain has/is developed. I consider the other side of the argument to be a moral-bound belief that has no base because it doesn't mean because of one child the parents have to sacrifice everything. And I don't understand why pro-life people don't bring up the fact that the mother is the one carrying the burden and that being pregnant could sometimes cause severe health problems. And if she's dying, and the laws say that she can't abort, so she's condemned to die? I call bullshit.

What about these?


The pro choice side always talks about rights of the mother but ignore the rights of the baby inside. It shouldn’t matter when the embryo becomes human we know they will. How you could willingly kill something that will become a living organism I can’t understand. To say that the mothers small health concerns and financial situation can outweigh a life I don’t get.

That's why we are free to think differently. I don't believe the child is anywhere close to alive during the generally accepted time of abortion, nevertheless does it hardly resemble a human. I have no pains with stepping on a bug on the side walk when I'm walking to the store, to me there is no difference.

Edit: Okay, to who keeps -repping this and then to the person who keeps +repping it to counter it, would you mind stopping? This isn't a big deal either way.

I believe either of two sets of standards for this [depending on mood].

1). the fetus is not alive until it's consciousness/awareness exceeds that of the most complex-feeling mammal humans kill; Cows/Pigs

2). the fetus is not alive until it could [reasonably be expected to] live outside of it's mother.

That I can go with. I simply don't understand where people get the idea of "what about the infant's rights?" The infant isn't even born, it has no rights. That is nothing more or less imposing your moral views and spinning it as something that should be a right. Not that I think there is anything wrong with that, but why mince words? Just say "This is what I think" not "but it's the infant's right, etc..."

Edit: -Rep huh. Yeah I totally deserved that one. I'm usually more careful about my words, but I always hate when people mince words on this subject, and that is exactly what I was doing up to this point. ^_^;;

I always disliked that irresponsible people are never punished for their behavior and yet a potential life is created and ended before it ever has a chance to live.

There is no excuse for not using a condom or birth control in any method. If you choose to not use these during sex then you deserve to pay the consequences of your actions by being saddled with the responsibility of a child.

While some will argue that you are punishing the child into what may be a terrible life. Is it really any better to destroy that life before it comes into being? All the while the irresponsible parents can go about their lives without anything happening at all. Not even so much as a verbal scolding. I have met people who had abortions so casually and without care, it mimics any of us masturbating.

You fap, you cum, you clean up. All while they have sex, get pregnant, abort.

I don't know why the ability to give negative rep even exists, it's completely unnecessary, but I fixed it for you . . .

I completely agree with fpod that the argument "they'll have an awful life anyways(probably)" is a terrible one. If the fetus should be considered human, that's the end of the discussion, abortion shouldn't be legal or moral. We don't kill off poor kids in single parent households with no income who go to crappy schools.

Far too many abortions happen because people make poor decisions and refuse to take responsibility for their actions. A case of rape or the life of the mother being in danger is one thing, but these only account for a very small portion of abortions performed.



I disagree with the use of these as well, consistent with the idea that life begins at conception. There are other viable methods of birth control that act as barriers or inhibit menstruation or fertilization. However, I think going catholic and saying that condoms are immoral is a bit extreme.

Thanks, but I really deserve that one. I'm tired of mincing words, but I could have infinitely chose to word that better. That is, more or less how I feel, but that was a pretty heartless analogy.

Like I said a few posts back, I can't say for sure what I would do in that situation. I could find myself feeling completely different if I was faced with the situation, but I know I wouldn't make a good father, so I would certainly at least throw the option into the air as it were.

Much like what Tsurayu mentioned, what rights? I don't care if the fetus is going to become a human being, because at the present it isn't even considered alive that's nothing more than a mass of rapidly dividing cells with no sentience.



Small health problems and small financial problems? That line of thinking will ruin the lives of the mother and the baby - are you really thinking what's best for them? Look at the shit we're in right now with the economic recession that the world is in. So a mother who has to pay off her mortgage and interest as well as taxes and bills and the simple survival needs should be forced to give birth to a child that will only bring the family to utter financial ruin? Get real. And again, it isn't "life", and the argument takes it back to what's considered life and what isn't. Knowing that it will become sentient life is an ethical argument that doesn't hold water against reality. It is sound but not valid in my book.

So deaths better?

Do we kill poor people because their life isn't that sweet. Look at the world you call people in America poor? That’s a fucking joke look at the poor in India, and tell me again “poor Americas” have horrible lives. Also dose money make happiness no it doesn’t have too they can still have fulfilling lives even without money. You make it sound like they’re going to die from being poor that’s not the case. Life takes priority over the situations of the people. It’s the persons responsibility to practice “safe” sex, so they take it and shouldn’t just be given a lever live or die, and tell themselves it’s not a life just a useless husk. About rape I would say there should be an institution to help support rape victims, but remember most abortions are by a whim of some women who just doesn’t care about life. We give young kids today a get out of jail free card with abortion. Who cares if I get pregnant I’ll just get an abortion. A co-worker of mine has had 7 abortions, I can’t stand her because this is literally what she said to me, “fuck kids like I’m gonna take care of some needy ass brats when I can just kill them before they pop out”. This is what abortion has taught our kids.

I don't consider it death because it isn't "life". Also, we don't kill "poor" human beings because they're already in existence - BIG difference.

You also bring up the "money doesn't make you happy" - another ethical argument that doesn't hold water in reality - depending on where you live (which is mostly everywhere), without money, you can't survive. You can't pay the bills for gas, electric, phone, internet, TV, car insurance, house insurance, medical insurance, water, food, property tax, clothes, books, wares, etc. Until you make your own money, don't be belittling the importance of money. It won't buy happiness, but it'll insure your survival which always comes first.

So unborn life takes priority over established life? So if women got raped and got pregnant from that, they must give birth to a child that wasn't even hers to begin with? Or is that the only exception? Or if a women's health is deteriorating due to the pregnancy, we should sacrifice the mother for the baby, who could also potentially die? And what about cases where the couples ARE praciting safe sex and still get pregnant? (Obviously abstinence is the only 100% way to be sure.) Should they be condemned to support a child that they aren't mentally and physically not ready for? You're basically saying that there should be no abortions, no exception, which screams BS to me.

Don't get me wrong, I also look down on the vast majority of couples who decide to abort whenever they're pregnant (which means they're dumb and amoral), but don't expect me side with something that can't give reason.

And since when did the government had the right to force its citizens to give up their rights under no external pressure? Telling that women cannot abort is equivalent to violating the Bill of Rights, our pursuit of happiness. Something that doesn't have a voice and not even a single inkling about what's going on outside shouldn't be given priority over something that can.