Burning the Qur'an
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Ignorant ass church members burning the Quran.
You dont see me burning the bible because of the millions upon millions of killings the Christians have done. Fckin shitheads are hypocrites.
You dont see me burning the bible because of the millions upon millions of killings the Christians have done. Fckin shitheads are hypocrites.
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I loled at how stupid that church are....they are basically burning bibles that is written in Arabic....lolbraindeadbunchlol
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this should either be a joint of the "Debate on Mosque & Cultural Center near 9/11 grounds" thread or be merged with it. Since its the same topic, just a different part of it.
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well I think its just throwing wood on the fire.
While be lubed up with gasoline
their only escalating the problem. Do they think this would resolve anything? seriously?
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well I think its just throwing wood on the fire.
While be lubed up with gasoline
their only escalating the problem. Do they think this would resolve anything? seriously?
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Kaimax wrote...
Space Cowboy wrote...
Rbz wrote...
Kaimax wrote...
Islamic LawWhat is that law? If someone from a nation burns the quran, you're supposed to kill everyone from that nation?
Not law, but it's a sin to desecrate the Qu'ran in any manner, including burning it. I don't know how they're supposed to react, but from the sound of the media, it is probably going to be violent.
yup, there's no law about "killing people" just because burning the Qur'an, but like Space said, it's a Sin. Even in the muslim Community we don't dare to walk over the Qur'an.
and about the law, it's usually the usual extremist leaders spouting lies and hate messages to their followers. There's no such law, I'm just using it as an analogy of some sort.
Lol, the quran states that the, when one needs to dispose of a quran, the best way is by burning it.
Haha, so this pastor is lining Muslim's pockets by buying their books and getting rid of them in an Islamic way. XD
By the way, here's an interesting video about the American general who urged this pastor not to burn the book:
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i say he should burn more of em, hell ill burn one myself. this follows in line with my thoughts on the mosque, wich is they can go burn in hell and build it there, so why not take there damn books with them
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Chlor wrote...
Rbz wrote...
Chlor wrote...
Think about the reaction the danish drawings and the artwork of Lars Vilks did, these were drawings, humorous satires of their prophet, this lead to the death of about 30 people. Now think what the reaction on this will be.But were those 30 deaths the fault of Lars Vilks? Was he the problem? I maintain that the problem is the extremists who show themselves to be the barbarians that they are, all because someone drew a picture.
Agreed, the problem wasn't Lars Vilks but instead the extremists, but there is no denying that it was Lars Vilks who triggered it all right?
Being part of the chain of causes shouldn't mean it was his fault. Of course, it was the "sin" he committed that led the extremists to make the choice to murder others. I don't know much about the story, but I'm assuming he didn't draw those pictures with the intention of arousing violent behavior. This is why I can't see him as the main problem. The choice the extremists made remains the main problem, and it makes the violence that occurred entirely their fault, even though your mind, in a way, instinctively wants to go deeper down the perceived causal chain and point a finger at Lars Vilks as the cause of the problem.
Something I think we'll notice is that when a soldier dies in a terrorist attack, the first thing people will do is blame those who burned a bunch of books. They won't bother to think that maybe the reason he killed that soldier was because he's a fucking terrorist. They'll forget that correlation doesn't necessarily equal causation.
I'm late to the after party. Oh well, I'll leave it at this.
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Takerial
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Rbz wrote...
Chlor wrote...
Rbz wrote...
Chlor wrote...
Think about the reaction the danish drawings and the artwork of Lars Vilks did, these were drawings, humorous satires of their prophet, this lead to the death of about 30 people. Now think what the reaction on this will be.But were those 30 deaths the fault of Lars Vilks? Was he the problem? I maintain that the problem is the extremists who show themselves to be the barbarians that they are, all because someone drew a picture.
Agreed, the problem wasn't Lars Vilks but instead the extremists, but there is no denying that it was Lars Vilks who triggered it all right?
Being part of the chain of causes shouldn't mean it was his fault. Of course, it was the "sin" he committed that led the extremists to make the choice to murder others. I don't know much about the story, but I'm assuming he didn't draw those pictures with the intention of arousing violent behavior. This is why I can't see him as the main problem. The choice the extremists made remains the main problem, and it makes the violence that occurred entirely their fault, even though your mind, in a way, instinctively wants to go deeper down the perceived causal chain and point a finger at Lars Vilks as the cause of the problem.
Something I think we'll notice is that when a soldier dies in a terrorist attack, the first thing people will do is blame those who burned a bunch of books. They won't bother to think that maybe the reason he killed that soldier was because he's a fucking terrorist. They'll forget that correlation doesn't necessarily equal causation.
I'm late to the after party. Oh well, I'll leave it at this.
Agreed and what I said before.
The terrorists just want to kill them. It doesn't matter what reason you give them, they'll find one and go with it.
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Kalistean wrote...
Rbz wrote...
Chlor wrote...
Rbz wrote...
Chlor wrote...
Think about the reaction the danish drawings and the artwork of Lars Vilks did, these were drawings, humorous satires of their prophet, this lead to the death of about 30 people. Now think what the reaction on this will be.But were those 30 deaths the fault of Lars Vilks? Was he the problem? I maintain that the problem is the extremists who show themselves to be the barbarians that they are, all because someone drew a picture.
Agreed, the problem wasn't Lars Vilks but instead the extremists, but there is no denying that it was Lars Vilks who triggered it all right?
Being part of the chain of causes shouldn't mean it was his fault. Of course, it was the "sin" he committed that led the extremists to make the choice to murder others. I don't know much about the story, but I'm assuming he didn't draw those pictures with the intention of arousing violent behavior. This is why I can't see him as the main problem. The choice the extremists made remains the main problem, and it makes the violence that occurred entirely their fault, even though your mind, in a way, instinctively wants to go deeper down the perceived causal chain and point a finger at Lars Vilks as the cause of the problem.
Something I think we'll notice is that when a soldier dies in a terrorist attack, the first thing people will do is blame those who burned a bunch of books. They won't bother to think that maybe the reason he killed that soldier was because he's a fucking terrorist. They'll forget that correlation doesn't necessarily equal causation.
I'm late to the after party. Oh well, I'll leave it at this.
Agreed and what I said before.
The terrorists just want to kill them. It doesn't matter what reason you give them, they'll find one and go with it.
The problem there is that only 10 of the 30 that was killed was soldiers, the rest were innocent that were killed because the extremists just raged and killed those that thought it wasn't a big deal, and one or two were not killed directly, but more or less trampled down during riots.
No, I'm not pointing the finger at Lars Vilks for being the one that in the end is responsible for the deaths, he probably did not expect that his artwork would cause this much of an uproar. I only stated that he was the trigger for the violent actions taken by the terrorists, the same way that burnings these Qurans will most likely cause an even worse case of basically the same scenario (And if you don't realize that Muslims will be pissed of because of you desecrating their holy script, then you're extremely dimwitted). Of course the best thing would be that the extremists just didn't care about things like this, but we all know they do. So what I'm saying that it's fucking retarded to do a provocative action like this, knowing that it will lead to an uproar from extremists that will eventually end in the deaths of innocents and soldiers.
And of course saying that the deaths of a soldier was specifically just because of this would just be plain stupid, when you send soldiers to war you do it knowing the risk that the soldier might die, no matter what the ultimate reason behind the killing is.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/10/us/10obama.html?_r=1&hp
POOL'S CLOSED
(aka no more koran burning)
POOL'S CLOSED
(aka no more koran burning)
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cj292 wrote...
As many of you know, there has been a big controversy over the building of a mosque near the groud zero site. This topic is some what similar but could potentially have fatal affects on troops currenty deployed over seas and even possibly on American civilians. A Florida church is planning to set copies of the Qur'an (the Muslum equivalent of the bible) on fire on the anaiversary of the 9/11 terrorist attack. This could possibly cause an even stronger resentment to form between the Muslum and American communities. The biggest issue is that this could potentially be used by terrorist to influence the people who follow the Muslum religion to hate or even try to kill Americans.I personally believe that this is a big mistake. This is about as religious intallerant as you can possibly get. Its putting thousands of U.S. troops in even more danger then they already are. Well anyways, what do you guys think. Do you incourage this event or do you appall it?
I agree that this is wrong. There's no need or reason for the book burning and, as far as I can see, nothing good will come of it rather than fueling the fire (no pun intended) between religious extremists.
I'm a Christian and I'd like to say that me and my church (I know almost everyone in my church) do not approve of this book burning. Also, people shouldn't view this Florida church to represent the rest of the community.
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trekki859 wrote...
i still say they can burn in hell. and ill be burning my own since he wussed out. May I ask you why you would do that? What purpose would burning a Qu'ran have for you?
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Chlor wrote...
trekki859 wrote...
i still say they can burn in hell. and ill be burning my own since he wussed out. May I ask you why you would do that? What purpose would burning a Qu'ran have for you?
I'M SO COOL I WON'T LET ANYBODY TELL ME WHAT TO DO BECAUSE I HATE MUSLIMS AND I'M AN ATTENTION WHORE.
the "I'm anon and I can do whatever" argument.
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Chlor wrote...
trekki859 wrote...
i still say they can burn in hell. and ill be burning my own since he wussed out. May I ask you why you would do that? What purpose would burning a Qu'ran have for you?
You're joking right? It's not like you'll get a logical answer from this... You won't find logic in hate since hate is emotion and emotion is illogical o.o
kawaiiloli wrote...
I'M SO COOL I WON'T LET ANYBODY TELL ME WHAT TO DO BECAUSE I HATE MUSLIMS AND I'M AN ATTENTION WHORE.the "I'm anon and I can do whatever" argument.
I don't think an anon would have over 500 posts... oh wait you mean internet anonymous never mind x.x
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i probably am refusing to see reason but i dont give a damn, my uncle and three of my cousins were in the first tower when it fell. my uncle and one of my cousins were killed in the collapse, the other is paralyzed from the neck down. i dont care if only an "extreme" faction of them are responsible in my book that means they all all. so they all deserve to burn. im not just being a bigot, but at the same time i am. and i dont care. i hate them all. they can all burn and die a slow and painful death and i wouldn't even blink.
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trekki859 wrote...
i probably am refusing to see reason but i dont give a damn, my uncle and three of my cousins were in the first tower when it fell. my uncle and one of my cousins were killed in the collapse, the other is paralyzed from the neck down. i dont care if only an "extreme" faction of them are responsible in my book that means they all all. so they all deserve to burn. im not just being a bigot, but at the same time i am. and i dont care. i hate them all. they can all burn and die a slow and painful death and i wouldn't even blink. By that logic, we should kill all of us Americans because we fucking bomb the fuck out of Iraq and Afghanistan and we've killed innocent civilians in those countries in our war against terror as well. I mean, the wikileaks showed that we've killed much more civilians than our govt. let on. We also nuked the Japanese, nuke tested on Bikini Atoll, and we've let oil companies destroy the earth. Let's kill all the americans.
EDIT: Also, extremist Christians who commited arson on that community center being built in Tennesee? Kill all the Christians in the US. Kill all the Americans because some extremist bombed Oklahoma City. Yeah.
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like i said. i know im a bigot and i dont care. this is the ONLY topic ive never even tryed to be neutral on before looking at the information.
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trekki859 wrote...
like i said. i know im a bigot and i dont care. this is the ONLY topic ive never even tryed to be neutral on before looking at the information. It's people like you who keep bigotry in the world and we will always have these senseless arguments. No logic, no regard.
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kawaiiloli wrote...
trekki859 wrote...
i probably am refusing to see reason but i dont give a damn, my uncle and three of my cousins were in the first tower when it fell. my uncle and one of my cousins were killed in the collapse, the other is paralyzed from the neck down. i dont care if only an "extreme" faction of them are responsible in my book that means they all all. so they all deserve to burn. im not just being a bigot, but at the same time i am. and i dont care. i hate them all. they can all burn and die a slow and painful death and i wouldn't even blink. By that logic, we should kill all of us Americans because we fucking bomb the fuck out of Iraq and Afghanistan and we've killed innocent civilians in those countries in our war against terror as well. I mean, the wikileaks showed that we've killed much more civilians than our govt. let on. We also nuked the Japanese, nuke tested on Bikini Atoll, and we've let oil companies destroy the earth. Let's kill all the americans.
EDIT: Also, extremist Christians who commited arson on that community center being built in Tennesee? Kill all the Christians in the US. Kill all the Americans because some extremist bombed Oklahoma City. Yeah.
Hate isn't born out of an act, but from an act towards someone =3 If that makes any sense, why am I defending this guy anyways? >.>