Censorship

I'm stuck with these two ideas, debating in my mind. Seriously, is censorship really a help to our community? Or it doesn't?

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Oh i forgot to include what censorship i am talking about.

Censorship of offensive pictures, language, movies, music, etc.

You may highlight these things or prolly post some things you think should be censored.

Censorship harms a community more than helps it. For example, lets take a world where people claim "You can't say that" to everything that is objectionable. You eventually get to a point where nothing can be said without offending somebody. It's similar to the phrase "an eye for and eye leaves the whole world blind". In such a world books would be banned, people would be shouted down for having an opposing point of view,etc.

I would go on a whole first amendment tirade but, I'll just leave it at this. Anything that could count as a way of expression is protected except libel or violence (against a person or property).

Being offensive for the sake of it just means your an attention whore or if your an actor, musician,etc then your just trying to cover up for being a talentless hack.

Edit: This is a rather small post of mine. I'll come back later and try to fatten it up.

Consorship goes against the very principles of freedom of speech, ie: you are allowed to voice your opinion and nobody has a right to keep you from doing so.

I don't like consorship because it keeps things from being spread. Let's say for example, a nation censors any comments or information spread about their leaders; this in turn allows such leaders to become corrupt without the fear that anyone will be informed of it.

If you're talking more generally, such as in censorship in the media (bleeping of cuss words, blurring of nudity and sex scenes, etc.) then I think that's rather outdated too.

Not only is cussing becoming more public, but so is nudity and sex. With the internet and online gaming the ability and desire to cuss has increased dramatically (at least for young kids) and with the internet, porn is much more accessable.

The only reason television is censored is because of certain people who would go crazy if they saw a show with cussing or nudity. The big excuse that's been used for years is that children could see it, but with the invention of the V-chip and password protection on televisions there's really no reason to censor anything on the television now since you can just block shows or movies with mature ratings.

I watched a rerun of South Park earlier that dealt with this exact thing. ("Cartoon Wars, Part 2")

In the episode, Kyle said that either everything must be okay, or nothing must be okay. Sounds great, but it's total bullshit. In the episode, the argument was about whether or not it was okay to show Mohammed in a cartoon, and Kyle's statement does fit that exact situation. If we cannot show Mohammed in any situation, then who's to say that in the future, we won't be able to show Jesus or L. Ron Hubbard? (Of course, that's a slippery slope fallacy, but it does make some sense.) But Kyle is completely wrong when he says that it's all or nothing, that either everything can be shown, or nothing can be shown. After all, it's already a grey zone, and it has been for the longest time.

If Family Guy wanted to show hardcore sex in an episode, they wouldn't be able to. If they wanted to have a necrophiliac neighbor, they probably wouldn't be able to. If they wanted to show someone getting slowly and mercilessly killed, they wouldn't be able to. Isn't that censorship? Aren't we already being censored? But lo and behold, the world isn't coming to an end, and Family Guy isn't ruined.

Am I for censorship? Who would answer yes to that question? Might as well as, who hates freedom? No one hates freedom, and no one wants complete censorship. But I think most people will agree that some things should be censored. No sex or extreme violence where it can easily be seen by kids, for example. Hell, TVs are set up so that parents can censor what comes on, to protect their kids.

However, if we're talking only about the world of grown-ups, then very little needs to be, or should be, censored. Adults should be able to turn the channel if something they find offensive comes on. That said, some things should still be censored. Things that are meant only to inflict harm, with no redeeming qualities whatsoever, should be censored, if just so the behavior is not rewarded. For example, if someone wanted to show child porn or a video of someone being mercilessly killed or dying (like a snuff film), there'd be no reason to show that, so I wouldn't mind if it was censored and kept from the eyes of the public.

I am against the use of censorship. Most of the time, all it did was ruining whatever it censored. Saying it simply, if you don't want to show such scenes then don't bother to show the entire thing in the first place. It has become pointless. This is the same as killing our freedom of seeing what we want to see.

Let's just say one censored scenes of gore from a movie that is supposed to be full of gore and blood. Does that not kill the show? It's the same thing as censoring penis or vagina or whatever from a sex related scenes. Most peoples would be disappointed if they watch Friday the 13th without any blood or mutilation. Most would be disappointed to read hentai without the supposed vital organs. On this base alone, censorship is unnecessary.

True, you're afraid that the scenes will be seen by minors and such but they know that such thing will cause unsatisfactory amongst the majors. Sacrificing something for the sake of minority and not majority? Not fair I think. And not to mention that if the minors went to see such movies in the first place, the same person has most likely seen it before anyway or are curious about it. And when one is curious about something, they'll start using the most convenient system in this earth. Internet. Which most of the time can get things even worst. Relative, but true.

That's all I have to say.

I've been watching Umineko no Naku Koro ni, and sometimes, there is extreme gore that gets censored - pixelated over. The thing is, this is a show that comes on TV. It's not a straight-to-DVD show. Thus, there are restrictions on what can be shown. I am very glad that the show is still airing, even with the censored gore, because the gore does not make the show. It still has worth. And if I want the gore, I can wait for the DVD releases, where it will be uncensored.

About "killing our freedom of seeing what we want to see," what gives you that freedom? Do you have an innate right to cable? Are you born with the right to see what you want on something that is owned by someone else? If the owner of a TV station or movie company doesn't want something to be shown, that person has the right to censor it, because he owns the station or company. Rarely do TV stations cut content because of government intervention, if it ever happens at all. However, it does happen often with movies, since all movies released in theaters have to go through the MPAA, and that is bullshit. Of course, that's a breach of democracy more than anything, because people cannot vote on what should and should not be allowed in movies to obtain a certain rating, and people cannot vote on who should be a part of the MPAA.

Yes, peoples are born with the right to see what they want to see. It sounds extreme, but just as the case that it was the owner of the TV station's right to censor something, it is the audience's right to see what they want to.

Why creates or shows something with gore in the first place if you're going to censor it? Also, you say there are going to be uncut DVD of it in the end for some cases. So peoples can see the gore by buying the DVD in the end? I have to admit, business-wise, that's not a bad move to earn more money. Capitalists sure are smart to use various things for their disguise.

By the way, most of the time TV station owners censor scenes deemed not for minors without government intervention because they're afraid to get the very same government intervention, not by their own will.

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The only limits to freedom of speech I accept are calumny, direct advocation of violence and a natural person's right to privacy.
The Danish Muhammad cartoon affair as well as the American tradition of banned words (or situations) being elided during broadcast are prime examples of utterly unacceptable censorship to me.

I think censorship is stupid. Large scale censorship of political messages and shit is just a way of lying to the public.

The censoring of porn, 'bad language', violence, blood and gore is something I don't understand either; it has been made into a movie/pic/manga/ or w/e, and should stay as it is. If some people can't handle seeing a dick or hearing someone saying fuck, then don't watch the fucking movie.

Censoring for the sake of children is also stupid, and there is no reason to do it either. I mean, sure, a agelimit is fine, that's one way to prevent young people to see shit, but to ruin a good movie just because the stupid parents of stupid kids don't think they can handle it is just... wrong.

Shit, I just woke up and can't express myself good in english right now. Still, my point being; Censorship is bad! It goes against the Freedom of Speech and the Freedom of Information.

I think Censorship plays no role in helping anything, To me its pointless. I see no point in it.
Parents would rather blind there kids from the truth, and for what???..."they have the discovery channel and Animal Planet, So they are going to learn about sex anyway!!"
I mean sure kids should not watch Porn (like anal, Bj, and fetish crap). But Whats wrong with a Movie Flashing some Boobs, Because last time a checked all mammals have them...And I'm pretty sure they have already seen there moms at some point in there life?

As For the Curse words and things i don't think they should be censored on TV. Its pointless! If anybody goes outside there is a 80% chance that your going to run into someone spurting out curse words...So if your not going to hear it on TV your just going to hear it in real life!

Soooo, i think Censorship is pointless...

Censorship used to be helpful from preventing kids of being exposed to adult themes but now with the internet, it's virtually useless.

I think censors in hentai is just plain stupid. Who buys porn just to see the good parts blocked out? That's like watching a movie with a blindfold on.

Censors in tv are more appropriate(as long as they don't put in a word that doesn't fit in its place) because some people are more sensitive to those things then others.

For the guy talking about a necrophiliac in Family Guy, yes, there already is one in the series. His name is Death. And they also showed plenty of deaths and murders but for comedic purposes.

Actually, censorship does do something. Censorship gives kids the mentality that something is bad, giving kids the basis of morals. Sure, it's similar to brainwashing, but I personally prefer is fine until kids are older.

Yes i understand that it teaches Morals. For that I do like Censorship, and i Understand that this is also why it is there, But i was trying to point out there Really is no point to Censorship if the Kids are just going to run into it on the streets and on other channels.

I'm OK with censorship, but i think if its going to be forced down everyone's neck-hole they should do a better job at it or not do anything at all. Meaning Put warnings on the discovery channel as well if there going to put it on movies.

As for the child running into it on the streets, well there is nothing the FCC can do about that, Its up to the parents to teach the lessons in that Department.

I would like to add that the argument of "for the children" is negated by the access to things such as the v-chip and "net nanny". With things like this children can be prevented from seeing themes that their parents would find objectionable.

Preventing the masses from seeing something because of a certain group is asinine. If you don't want to see something then look away but, just because it upsets you doesn't mean that you have the right to stop other people from seeing it.

"Just because your offended doesn't give you the right to violate the rights of others."

Now, go out there and offend somebody damn it!

Any censorship on fakku is useless, it is either transparent or too tiny to be noticable.

Censorship is a waste of everybody's time. All I have to say in defense of my opinion is that the people who push censorship, the FCC being a prime example, are really just too immature to handle the real world.

Screw Censorship. Let everything be know and shown to mankind.

Amen!

JK, but it was funny!