Censorship
Are you for it or against it?
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Fiery_penguin_of_doom wrote...
I would like to add that the argument of "for the children" is negated by the access to things such as the v-chip and "net nanny". With things like this children can be prevented from seeing themes that their parents would find objectionable.Preventing the masses from seeing something because of a certain group is asinine. If you don't want to see something then look away but, just because it upsets you doesn't mean that you have the right to stop other people from seeing it.
"Just because your offended doesn't give you the right to violate the rights of others."
Now, go out there and offend somebody damn it!
Yay, someone else has the same argument as me about this. I would like to add the fact that if said parents are so concerned over what their children are watching/doing then they should watch the child at all times to prevent the child from doing or seeing anything the parents find distasteful.
If they're so concerned then they should step up and raise their kids the way they want to instead of instigating something that prevents others from viewing what they wish to.
Now I'm off to offend people by walking the streets and yelling obscenities, especially at the children.
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Censorship like everything else thats public has its limits on when it is used or when its not. Sadly i am tired now and didn't read every post but, i agree with Shaggy Jebus. Certain things need to be censored in public but not when its for adults. Censorship in hentai is for a different, it comes from Japan not the US. Over in Japan there are alot of censorship, in the past most porn was censored heavily and guys found another way to get off, Bukake, now you know where jizzing on girls came from.

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Xil
Norse God of Sawdust
ThorW wrote...
Fiery_penguin_of_doom wrote...
Now, go out there and offend somebody damn it!Now I'm off to offend people by walking the streets and yelling obscenities, especially at the children.
Say it like you mean it, friends!
But no really, I pretty must agree.
Even in my early childhood I've had a thought in the back of my mind... Was not till my later years that I fully understood and agreed with it.
You say 'Fuck' and someone asks you not to because they are offended by the word.
So, in essence, they are asking 'you' to limit yourself and change your speaking style to benefit 'them'. And in most cases, the person asked will comply.
But why? Why should YOU place yourself at a disadvantage, although minor, for THEM? Why can't they simply live with it...
Although this scenario is not always correct, and more for example rather than actual practice, you get what I mean. Hindering yourself, to benefit someone else on a matter of such pointlessness... The same can be said for visual censorship.
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swordmanXIII
FAKKU's Breaker
i have always been against censorship.
it has no point in hentai i mean just because you bluured a vigina isn't going to do anything for me. I am already seeing sex so theres no point. I already chose to view this content I am 18 an older I want to look at hentai that. I have the right to do so. I just think it ruins the quality of the dojin because it's not easy to draw a vagina most likely so in the end you dont see the whole work.
It just really grinds my gears damm censorship
it has no point in hentai i mean just because you bluured a vigina isn't going to do anything for me. I am already seeing sex so theres no point. I already chose to view this content I am 18 an older I want to look at hentai that. I have the right to do so. I just think it ruins the quality of the dojin because it's not easy to draw a vagina most likely so in the end you dont see the whole work.
It just really grinds my gears damm censorship
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censorship can work if it has a limitation for certain age groups. Aside from that there shouldn't be any censorship for adults because they are intellectually mature and know whats right from wrong without someone telling them.
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I am generaly totaly against censorship, but sometimes I go "damn, that's so stupid they should be forced to shut up!", specialy when arguing with fundamental christians and muslims, but I would never ever vote for someone who was openly for censorship in any kind.
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Censorship is merely for things to try and emphasize on safety and whatnot, I get that much, but nowadays, it's just been been unbelievable, you can't so much as do anything without it being censored/bleeped out/covered up. I mean it's understandable that it's for the good of children not to learn of any offensive media until they are at a certain age. But face it, kids always learn about this before they're 18 or even 14 for that matter. It's a very overshadowed fact that parents seem to miss yet also seemingly just avoid on purpose. At times they could be aware of it yet, never actually admit it. Parents are not just indebted to look after the children, but they also need to fully realize that. With fathers, they're usually sympathetic about this (if the kid is male.) Point is, censorship is usually being directed from the mothers, and also from any middle-aged female, that is married/divorced/overwight/anerexic/senile/"prideful"(if you don't get the last one, don't bother), they simply wish for more power to themselves because they think they are portrayed as filth, yes, but at times they are the ones that tempt men into adulterly. Equality now, i'll say this till i die or till this fued ends in the eroge studio's favor, you people are abusing a mild reason for a radical change. You shouldn't ban stuff just because it has premartial sex, or any adult content. You fear that kind of material with thinking that it will leech onto future generations, hey sometimes nostalgia can come from the most quirkiest of things, even the inappropriate ones. You do NOT stand for true equality, at this point in todays society, it will probably take a man of massive intellect, as well as decisive, yet apathetic, sympathetic, and empathetic judgment and opinions, you who try to ban hentai, truly are not ones to handle "censorship."
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FinalBoss
#levelupyourgrind
I'm doing a persuasive paper based on this very subject. I'm for the most part against censorship. By censoring content from public use, ideas that can help shape one’s perspective are limited. This would result in ideals being enforced through superficial logics of reasoning. For instance, a superficial logic of reasoning would be to believe something is impious because of the influence of authority as oppose to the consequences. One way that we acquire our values is by comparing contrasting ideas and deciding which ones best suite our lifestyle. People argue that inappropriate material should be censored for the sake of children, but I think that way of thinking is flawed. The most important time in life to acquire knowledge from various aspects and perspectives is during one’s childhood. Children pick up knowledge easier and faster than they do during adulthood. However, this ability is necessary to make up for the lack of reasoning skills that adults tend to have. Because of this, it would be more practical to interpret complex and mature content rather than censor it. Otherwise, children are likely to grow up with a superficial sense of morality and values. I’ve heard of kids who were sheltered from real world issues throughout most of their youth, and then they grow up trying the things their parents were protecting them from simply out of curiosity and ignorance.
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Censorship is a bane to society since we lose most of the info that way sure if your country censors crap well tough luck, but in my opinion most of it just annoys me they just put a ban on things with less than rational justification just by a closed corridor of personal standards hopefully appealed by the uncouth masses of ignorant people who support such just by joining what they think is the majority.
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I can understand why people want to censor things but its an insult to the artform by censoring it. If its not appropriate for people then show it at a time and place when they have no right to complain about it.
I swear there was nothing more annoying than listning to 'Killing in the name of' by rage against the machine and having cut out as it gets to the really good part at the end.
I swear there was nothing more annoying than listning to 'Killing in the name of' by rage against the machine and having cut out as it gets to the really good part at the end.
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I think that without censorship people will have to take responsibility instead of blaming it on TV,movies,games and ect.
nothings wrong with taking responsibility.
nothings wrong with taking responsibility.
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I don't see the point of censorship. "Protect the children?" Bull-fucking-horse-shit. You can't protect anything by trying to hide it. Someone, somewhere, will find it and shit's going to hit the fan. It's easier to show it, and then explain why it's bad.
Censorship is the easiest thing to abuse. Aeschylus once said "In war, the first casualty is truth." It's for damn sure. How long will it take before other things that are deemed bad for the community to be censored. Then things that just people don't want to be out there.
It just doesn't make sense to censor anything at all. Censor swear words on TV? What about people around. I've seen teenagers swear at the top of the lungs at the mall. You can't protect people from anything. Sooner or later, they'll find it.
Censorship is the easiest thing to abuse. Aeschylus once said "In war, the first casualty is truth." It's for damn sure. How long will it take before other things that are deemed bad for the community to be censored. Then things that just people don't want to be out there.
It just doesn't make sense to censor anything at all. Censor swear words on TV? What about people around. I've seen teenagers swear at the top of the lungs at the mall. You can't protect people from anything. Sooner or later, they'll find it.
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lollercookiez wrote...
I don't see the point of censorship. "Protect the children?" Bull-fucking-horse-shit. You can't protect anything by trying to hide it. Someone, somewhere, will find it and shit's going to hit the fan. It's easier to show it, and then explain why it's bad.Censorship is the easiest thing to abuse. Aeschylus once said "In war, the first casualty is truth." It's for damn sure. How long will it take before other things that are deemed bad for the community to be censored. Then things that just people don't want to be out there.
It just doesn't make sense to censor anything at all. Censor swear words on TV? What about people around. I've seen teenagers swear at the top of the lungs at the mall. You can't protect people from anything. Sooner or later, they'll find it.
That is true.So many websites with videos that the media has attempted blocked.
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"So you're show as graphic depictions of executions and cannibalism?.....okay that's fine...yeah it's totally airable...Wait what? There's sex?...consensual?...Yeah no our network will have to pass thank you."
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Why is it that America leans more towards violence and most of the rest of the world is open to sexuality?
With censorship should be the job of the parents. They're supposed to be responsible but they need a scape goat so they don't need to work as hard.
With censorship should be the job of the parents. They're supposed to be responsible but they need a scape goat so they don't need to work as hard.
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This is my opinion on censorship. People have a right to know to know what nudity and words means. Also the freedom of speech is compromised with lame censorships.
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Censorship in porn and h is stupid. Don't you watch it, or read it, for sexual excitement? Porn isn't illegal in Japan, but a showing an exposed vagina in porn is, which is strange. What's the point of censoring something that is meant to be revealing?
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Censorship is not "for the Children". That is just a pathetic exuse. The only reason people say ANYTHING about children is so they can feel all important and mighty. "Oh, I took down an entire business because I said "Children". That's what it is about. People use exuses like that to feel superior. The minute something bad happens, parents blame it on TV, the internet, Video Games. However, who bought the Tv, the computer, the games? The parents. They say "Oh, how offensive, I'm going to complain, my children can't see this." But they never think, "Wait, I'm letting them watch this, it's my fault, I shouldn't sue an entire company just because I feel offended."
Self-rightious people have no reason to live, other than complaining, bitching, and whining about how bad something is, JUST because they don't agree with something.
You should teach you're children Morals through example, not through complaining.
I was raised in a Christian family. Went to church, and everything. I am not a Christian. All my family did was complain, and talk about how bad things are on Tv, all the while watching it. I did not get the morals I have from them. I built them on my own, through my experiences in life. So the "Morals" and the "For the Children" exuses are not very sturdy.
Self-rightious people have no reason to live, other than complaining, bitching, and whining about how bad something is, JUST because they don't agree with something.
You should teach you're children Morals through example, not through complaining.
I was raised in a Christian family. Went to church, and everything. I am not a Christian. All my family did was complain, and talk about how bad things are on Tv, all the while watching it. I did not get the morals I have from them. I built them on my own, through my experiences in life. So the "Morals" and the "For the Children" exuses are not very sturdy.
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Reminds me of a good article I read a few weeks ago, about censorship creeping into comedy - here if you're interested.
The problem is always, as has been highlighted, where you draw the line. If you censor one joke, just like if you censor one word, what else should you censor? Even when you've decided which words are acceptable, meanings change, and less exposure makes things more exotic and interesting, compelling people to find them out and use them, and thus further increase their controversy and the level of censorship.
Parents and their children are an obvious point of reference in the argument against. There will be things that children cannot comprehend and shouldn't be exposed to, yes, but they aren't the sort of things you tend to stumble upon, and again as has been stated there are web filters of various intensities; anything else is already in the public domain, and it being acceptable for adults, and there being so many adults, children will pick things up. If material is censored it is swept under the rug, it is controversial in some way or another, and so it will not be readily discussed; not being readily discussed will lead to understandings being sought from other sources, or not sought at all - this is far more dangerous than learning about them in a 'controlled environment'. The protective parental environments, by which some children will know these things and some won't, are dangerous for forming opinions and morals, and for the child's well-being amongst peers; if you don't get a clear, early understanding of good and bad things, if you don't have the knowledge of the two extremes, the two sides of humour or language or human/animal behaviour or human depiction, how can you make reasonable judgements? Linked into this is the idea that something is censored essentially because is it bad or wrong - why is nudity wrong? Why is it wrong to say a certain word? Because something gains certain connotations, society as a whole decides to surrender it rather than reshape it.
Society naturally limits certain controversial materials as a result of demand, itself as a result of morals. This is key. Parents teach morals in what they do and what they say, not necessarily in the sense of bringing their child up within a religion etc, but in what their actions tell their children. Removing all censorship won't lead to mainstream child pornography, snuff etc because there would not be enough demand; there is demand for so called swear/curse words and pornography because a majority of people enjoy these things, and everyone should be able to learn why and make their own judgement, based on the context presented to them by their upbringing.
Sorry if this is broken and convoluted, but it's gone 2am. :P
The problem is always, as has been highlighted, where you draw the line. If you censor one joke, just like if you censor one word, what else should you censor? Even when you've decided which words are acceptable, meanings change, and less exposure makes things more exotic and interesting, compelling people to find them out and use them, and thus further increase their controversy and the level of censorship.
Parents and their children are an obvious point of reference in the argument against. There will be things that children cannot comprehend and shouldn't be exposed to, yes, but they aren't the sort of things you tend to stumble upon, and again as has been stated there are web filters of various intensities; anything else is already in the public domain, and it being acceptable for adults, and there being so many adults, children will pick things up. If material is censored it is swept under the rug, it is controversial in some way or another, and so it will not be readily discussed; not being readily discussed will lead to understandings being sought from other sources, or not sought at all - this is far more dangerous than learning about them in a 'controlled environment'. The protective parental environments, by which some children will know these things and some won't, are dangerous for forming opinions and morals, and for the child's well-being amongst peers; if you don't get a clear, early understanding of good and bad things, if you don't have the knowledge of the two extremes, the two sides of humour or language or human/animal behaviour or human depiction, how can you make reasonable judgements? Linked into this is the idea that something is censored essentially because is it bad or wrong - why is nudity wrong? Why is it wrong to say a certain word? Because something gains certain connotations, society as a whole decides to surrender it rather than reshape it.
Society naturally limits certain controversial materials as a result of demand, itself as a result of morals. This is key. Parents teach morals in what they do and what they say, not necessarily in the sense of bringing their child up within a religion etc, but in what their actions tell their children. Removing all censorship won't lead to mainstream child pornography, snuff etc because there would not be enough demand; there is demand for so called swear/curse words and pornography because a majority of people enjoy these things, and everyone should be able to learn why and make their own judgement, based on the context presented to them by their upbringing.
Sorry if this is broken and convoluted, but it's gone 2am. :P