[Locked] Do you believe religion should even exist?

You do realize trying to state something like that will most likely start another confrontation right?

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lol I think the post was deleted

Yeah I totally agree with that....
That is indeed biased when blaming a whole just because a small part didnt function

Sorry I believe I deleted it since it didnt make sense

Ok, here's why your example doesn't apply in this situation: I have never claimed religion doesn't have redeeming values. I never said religion is 100% completely wrong.

Whatmy argument is, is that religion has a lot of bad things about it, and not enough redeeming values to make up for the bad parts.

And any redeeming values religion DOES have, are in no way UNIQUE to religion.

Here's a challenge for you. Provide me with a single observable benefit of religion that cannot be gained without it.

I deleted it but I forgot what I typed in...
it wouldnt make sense anyways XP

This time I want to carefully choose my words because I have this bad luck of always running to trouble when I slack off for just a few seconds

Y'know trying to tell me to do something to prove me point in this kind of situation won't help with the subject. Especially with what your trying to tell me to do. There are lots of things that can be achieve through more means then one. As they say there is more then one way to peal a banana.

However that is not the point any of us was making. What we are saying that people have the right to believe what they want no matter if others object to it.

Just because you had things happen to you in the past does not give you the right to tell someone else that what they believe is wrong. This isn't a question about facts or right and wrong. It's about how people choose to live their lives. Which is a freedom most of us want.

@legend

good thinking

Religion itself has nothing inherently wrong with it

Same with Atheism or any other side of the issue.

There isn't anything inherently right about it either.

You're confusing actions people take with concepts.

That's a nasty problem you should fix.

And again, you'll see the same type of breakdown between people on any side of the issue. Trying to argue something about one side can just as easily be applied to the side you're defending.

Isn't this becoming less about how beliefs are and more about how he is presenting his argument?

This is turning quite into a discussion with us three....

but then again we are off topic anyways XD

Meh, there's no argument he can make that cannot be applied back against the side he's trying to take so it's a pointless task regardless.

I think he's confused on how philosophical arguments work.

Its not even about philosophy any more and more about pointless banter and accusations.

This wouldn't even make it on a high school debate team.

@legend well four but yeah.

Hence why I think he's confused on how they work.

Because he keeps whining about facts and how it makes him right.

I don't think he understands how philosophical evidence differs from scientific.

well either way I think the main topic of this thread has already be used. Any ideas for a new thread?

Heh, how about whether or not people think Condoms are a safe effective way to have sex or not?

but condoms aren't 100% guaranteed and the safest sex is no sex.

got anything else?

Im gonna write another thread with" Do you believe religion should exist part 2"

WHAT MAKES THE BEST PET?

A cute chihuahua or maybe a silvered back haired gorilla

my high school didn't even have a debate team till I was 10th grade.. I was hanging out in the 8th grade building since my friend had to patrol there (jrotc thing since our school had fights a lot so it was suppose to be like security) and when me and my friend were leaving to go home we started to debate for fun. Some random teacher overheard us and asked us to be on a debate team...

man I wish I remember all the things we debated about.

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I prefer cats but there is no best pet. its all preference for the most part.

A giraffe is the best pet ever...
I studied on them once at 5th grade and I read they broke the ribs from a lion that wanted to hunt it down...

I had alot of arguments in my life....
I could have won all those arguments but my main problem is when it gets too hot I lose my concentration....

Right, so why should we have a preference one way, if it makes you go through all sorts of unnecessary channels? Like, say, confession, and studying an irrelevant, bronze age book, with bronze age ideas, coming up with mental backflips to do to convince ourselves it's correct, among others?



I wasn't making a point towards you guys in the first place. I was making a point to the main topic, you said my point was too long, so I condensed it. Now we're arguing what I said.



Which I in no way disagree with. I'm sort of akin to Hitchens on this one, if I may quote him, "I view religion as a toy. If you want to play with your toy, that's fine. If you want to teach your kids to play with your toy, that's fine. Just don't come to me and tell me I, or my kids must learn to play with your toy, and PLEASE don't make any laws dictating that I must respect you playing with your toy."



I didn't say it did. I simply said I had evidence from my own empirical experience that religion is devisve. I didn't say that it makes the religion wrong, simply not good.



And a freedom I want. the problem is religion by its very nature goes AGAINST that. I will direct this to both you and Takerial, as he said something similar below you, that religion has nothing inherently wrong with it. I'm afraid it does.

See, Takerial is confusing theism and religion. THEISM has nothing inherently wrong with it, religion, however, which is a summary of cultural and belief systems, and worldviews, that concern spiritualality, and sometimes morals, DOES have things inherently wrong with it.

Of those I mentioned, the fact of the matter is, ALL religions make a statmeent of fact about things being the way they are, or at least how they OUGHT to be. And, they always caveat it with a system that says if you do not follow what the religion says is true, or how you ought behave, you are wrong. This...is ineherently...devisive.

Give me a single religion that says anything along the lines of "We believe this happened, but you don't need to agree, and we think people ought behave like this...but you also don't have to agree, and nothing bad will happen to you, nor are you wrong, should you disagree." You can't, as that would bye oxymoronic. It logically follows from statements like We believe this to be true" and "This is how people ought to be": that those that disagree, these followers believe are WRONG.