Haiti
Do You Care?
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LasVegasLink wrote...
I'm pretty sure if your house was suddenly swallowed by a fissure in the ground, you'd want some help too.QFT. Not to mention that, if you survived, you'd probably be surrounded by the stench of corpses wherever you are in the city, get to know that most of the people you care about has died or are wounded for life, not have anything to eat nor anywhere to sleep...
Yea, I think $10 is pretty cheap to add to the help of thousands of people who has to experience just that.
Too bad I'm a hypocrite, cuz even though I say that, I do not donate.
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First off, I do believe this is being blown out of proportion. Haiti was never a great place to live to begin with, it's a rather dirty and poor little area where the good places to live are as bad as or worse than the crappy places in America.
Now that most of my coldness is out of the way... I don't care greatly about what happened, but how could I be expected to? I'm not friends with anyone there, nor do I have family there. However, in times of need people should be helped and doing so is the right thing, so I donated some money to the relief fund (only $20, but I don't have much spare money and it's better than nothing right?).
Now that most of my coldness is out of the way... I don't care greatly about what happened, but how could I be expected to? I'm not friends with anyone there, nor do I have family there. However, in times of need people should be helped and doing so is the right thing, so I donated some money to the relief fund (only $20, but I don't have much spare money and it's better than nothing right?).
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pizzabite wrote...
I care very much. I care about the suffering of human beings.lollercookiez wrote...
To be honest, I care very little to nothing at all for anything that happens to humanity. I care more about things that happen to animals than humans. I do feel bad for them, but I don't plan on doing anything else other than that. If someone is standing in front of a mall and asks me to donate some money, I would probably donate $10 or something, but beyond that, I could care less.Might I recommend a therapist?
And why may I ask do I need a therapist? Is it due to my cynical attitude towards humans? Or my lack of empathy for the suffering of my species? I have always been distance from my emotions. Is it unhealthy? Possibly. But I have no thoughts of suicide or depression. I merely do not care much for the human race.
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ThorW wrote...
First off, I do believe this is being blown out of proportion. Haiti was never a great place to live to begin with, it's a rather dirty and poor little area where the good places to live are as bad as or worse than the crappy places in America.It is easy to say that it is blown out of proportion when you 1. does not know shit about how it actually is and 2. is a fat bastard that never have and probably never will face a disaster like it.
Saying that it is "probably out of proportion" is just a poor excuse to not give money and help. Sure, if you do not care; fine, then don't. But you're not even allowed to say that it is bullshit since you do not know how it is, and will probably not face the same situation yourself even in your nightmares.
Also, even if people were dirty and poor and it wasn't as nice to live there as where you live just because you were born lucky, it was not as bad as it is now: children crawling over the rubble of their former homes and the dead bodies of their friends and family, too shocked to even try to figure out where to go or what to do.
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No. Every time I see a Facebook status or invite to care about it, I care less and less.
QFT. Not to mention that, if you survived, you'd probably be surrounded by the stench of corpses wherever you are in the city, get to know that most of the people you care about has died or are wounded for life, not have anything to eat nor anywhere to sleep...
Yea, I think $10 is pretty cheap to add to the help of thousands of people who has to experience just that.
Too bad I'm a hypocrite, cuz even though I say that, I do not donate.
^ this made me rofl. You rule, Ethil.
Ethil wrote...
LasVegasLink wrote...
I'm pretty sure if your house was suddenly swallowed by a fissure in the ground, you'd want some help too.QFT. Not to mention that, if you survived, you'd probably be surrounded by the stench of corpses wherever you are in the city, get to know that most of the people you care about has died or are wounded for life, not have anything to eat nor anywhere to sleep...
Yea, I think $10 is pretty cheap to add to the help of thousands of people who has to experience just that.
Too bad I'm a hypocrite, cuz even though I say that, I do not donate.
^ this made me rofl. You rule, Ethil.
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Ethil wrote...
LasVegasLink wrote...
I'm pretty sure if your house was suddenly swallowed by a fissure in the ground, you'd want some help too.QFT. Not to mention that, if you survived, you'd probably be surrounded by the stench of corpses wherever you are in the city, get to know that most of the people you care about has died or are wounded for life, not have anything to eat nor anywhere to sleep...
Yea, I think $10 is pretty cheap to add to the help of thousands of people who has to experience just that.
Too bad I'm a hypocrite, cuz even though I say that, I do not donate.
I'm not demanding anyone donate. That's your choice. However, I think it's another thing entirely to simply not care. That's what gets me.
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LasVegasLink wrote...
However, I think it's another thing entirely to simply not care. That's what gets me.It's best to accept that people have different values. Your value of human life > mine. Oh well.
LasVegasLink wrote...
I'm pretty sure if your house was suddenly swallowed by a fissure in the ground, you'd want some help too.Sure, but I wouldn't blame random people from other states/countries for not caring.
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A part of me wishes I can go there and help in some way, maybe help in distributing food and aid and make sure they do reach these poor people and not disappear like magic thanks to corruption and evil people, I do feel pity for them.
Another part of me thinks maybe it is better if they all died out there and the country was wiped out from the face of the earth. I cant believe I said that... It does sound cruel but thinking of the future generations that will suffer there...
Another part of me thinks maybe it is better if they all died out there and the country was wiped out from the face of the earth. I cant believe I said that... It does sound cruel but thinking of the future generations that will suffer there...
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Unlike you cold hearted motherfuckers, I actually do care when some natural disaster or event occurs and people lose their lives.
My prayers go out to them. I'll be sure to donate as much as I can when my next paycheck comes in.
I sometimes wonder if I'm just morbid, or maybe a bad person. But I've yet to care about stuff like this. Don't get me wrong, had it happened somewhere near me, I'd do my best to help. But I ain't gonna send money to some place I've never been.
I feel the same way except I don't doubt myself. Fuck people who are in 3rd world countries.
I really wish you'd have the experience of living in a third world country. I really do. You're worse than Carmen Diaz and her reality show where she literally makes fun of the people while she is drinking bottled mineral water, riding in a chopper, talking about how she could help these starving people.
Donate your hands to someone who deserves them. I see no need for you to have your hands.
My prayers go out to them. I'll be sure to donate as much as I can when my next paycheck comes in.
Longevity wrote...
Kind of Important wrote...
No. I sometimes wonder if I'm just morbid, or maybe a bad person. But I've yet to care about stuff like this. Don't get me wrong, had it happened somewhere near me, I'd do my best to help. But I ain't gonna send money to some place I've never been.
I feel the same way except I don't doubt myself. Fuck people who are in 3rd world countries.
I really wish you'd have the experience of living in a third world country. I really do. You're worse than Carmen Diaz and her reality show where she literally makes fun of the people while she is drinking bottled mineral water, riding in a chopper, talking about how she could help these starving people.
Donate your hands to someone who deserves them. I see no need for you to have your hands.
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O.O guys if you don't care that much please be a little nice with the words.
I got a awful pain in the pit of my stomach just by reading some post here.
I know where some of this is coming from but if your gonna vote NO then kinda be nice about it and lower the spice if you know what I mean. :D
I got a awful pain in the pit of my stomach just by reading some post here.
I know where some of this is coming from but if your gonna vote NO then kinda be nice about it and lower the spice if you know what I mean. :D
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Well compasion and mercy is not really a necessary trait for everyone so this is really just like a conflict of on one's morales and capability of doing something about it.
Lets say they know they can't do something about it so they end up not caring.Well from a logical stand point they have a good reason.Why worry for something you can't do anything about.But for morale knowing that you care is just enough.
Lets say they know they can't do something about it so they end up not caring.Well from a logical stand point they have a good reason.Why worry for something you can't do anything about.But for morale knowing that you care is just enough.
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Ethil wrote...
It is easy to say that it is blown out of proportion when you 1. does not know shit about how it actually is.
The main reason I say this is blown out of proportion is due to the fact that it's getting more attention than it should. There have been other disasters that get less attention and are worse than this one was.
I'm not saying it's not horrible what happened to the poor people there, I'm just saying that there's a bit too much coverage on it.
Ethil wrote...
2. is a fat bastard that never have and probably never will face a disaster like it.I love how everyone resorts to calling someone a fat bastard on the internet...
And no, I doubt I will ever face a disaster like this. There's no telling if I will or won't, but based on where I live, probably not. I'm just lucky that I live where I do and not where natural disasters occur more often.
Ethil wrote...
Saying that it is "probably out of proportion" is just a poor excuse to not give money and help. If you read further down in my post you'll see I did take the time to donate some money. I'd give more, but I don't have much to spare.
Ethil wrote...
Also, even if people were dirty and poor and it wasn't as nice to live there as where you live just because you were born lucky, it was not as bad as it is now: children crawling over the rubble of their former homes and the dead bodies of their friends and family, too shocked to even try to figure out where to go or what to do.I agree, it's worse than it was before because now there is rubble instead of homes and a lot of people died (not to mention the aftershocks that hit). But the fact of the matter is that Haiti was in need of assistance before this earthquake (not as much as now but still). There were already children dying, children without parents or homes, people poor and barely living.
Some of these people you see were starving and suffering beforehand. The only reason you suddenly care about these people now is the fact that something happened to make their situation go from bad to horrible.
Since it always takes a disaster to find human kindness I tend to ignore when others say that they care about people who were involved in such a disaster. Because generally, they will only help someone after something bad happened.
If you wish to condemn me for my opinion on the matter, then fine, I don't care. But, if you think you're better than me because you say you care, then you should think twice.
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ThorW wrote...
Ethil wrote...
It is easy to say that it is blown out of proportion when you 1. does not know shit about how it actually is.
The main reason I say this is blown out of proportion is due to the fact that it's getting more attention than it should. There have been other disasters that get less attention and are worse than this one was.
I'm not saying it's not horrible what happened to the poor people there, I'm just saying that there's a bit too much coverage on it.
Too much coverage? Instead of thinking "why does this get so much attention when this disaster didn't", isn't it better to say "finally they give the disaster the attention it actually needs"?
ThorW wrote...
Ethil wrote...
2. is a fat bastard that never have and probably never will face a disaster like it.I love how everyone resorts to calling someone a fat bastard on the internet...
And no, I doubt I will ever face a disaster like this. There's no telling if I will or won't, but based on where I live, probably not. I'm just lucky that I live where I do and not where natural disasters occur more often.
Hmeh, I didn't "resort" to call you a fat bastard; it was not even a insult, just a mean to say that we are all (not just you) people who can be fat and bastards, since we will never experience poverty, starvation or anything like it, unless we'd put us in that situation ourselves.
ThorW wrote...
Ethil wrote...
Also, even if people were dirty and poor and it wasn't as nice to live there as where you live just because you were born lucky, it was not as bad as it is now: children crawling over the rubble of their former homes and the dead bodies of their friends and family, too shocked to even try to figure out where to go or what to do.I agree, it's worse than it was before because now there is rubble instead of homes and a lot of people died (not to mention the aftershocks that hit). But the fact of the matter is that Haiti was in need of assistance before this earthquake (not as much as now but still). There were already children dying, children without parents or homes, people poor and barely living.
Some of these people you see were starving and suffering beforehand. The only reason you suddenly care about these people now is the fact that something happened to make their situation go from bad to horrible.
Ok, people didn't realize the situation was bad before, because of ignorance, yes. The fact that they now got a rather violent wake-up call and started doing things to help out, shouldn't it be considered a good thing instead?
ThorW wrote...
Since it always takes a disaster to find human kindness I tend to ignore when others say that they care about people who were involved in such a disaster. Because generally, they will only help someone after something bad happened.If you wish to condemn me for my opinion on the matter, then fine, I don't care. But, if you think you're better than me because you say you care, then you should think twice.
As I said, ofc the fact that people did not realize how bad the situation was before the earthquake, or simply did not care is not a good thing. Then again, the fact that they are helping now when the situation has gone from bad to worse should be encouraged instead of people pointing at earlier ignorance.
I do not condemn you, actually, I do not care what you do, and I certainly do not consider myself a better person than you, since, as I said in a earlier post, I have not, and most likely will not donate any money.
The only thing that actually bothered me with your post, and the only thing I wanted to say is that it is, imho, wrong to say that "it is blown out of proportion". The fact that it is given so much attention, the fact that the coverage is so extensive is not something that you should call bad just because "there has been other disasters that didn't get as much attention". Ofc it isn't a good thing that some disasters aren't given the attention they deserve, but now when Haiti is, why not encourage this instead of pointing fingers?
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ThorW wrote...
First off, I do believe this is being blown out of proportion. Haiti was never a great place to live to begin with, it's a rather dirty and poor little area where the good places to live are as bad as or worse than the crappy places in America.I don't see how this is blown out of proportion. So the death of over 75,000 people is considered blown out of proportion? So a city that has been completely destroyed is blown out of proportion? I'll probably get flamed for this but, if anything, the 9/11 attack was blown out of proportion. 2,973 American compared to over 75,000 Haitians deaths. I wonder which one was truly blown out of proportion.
Even if you don't care, like I do, this is in no way blown out of proportion. An entire city was leveled. Just because it's a third world country doesn't mean that the lives of people in there are worth less. That's bigotry.
Perhaps you should turn on the news or go on youtube. Better yet, just google some pictures. Take a look at the aftermath of the earthquake.
It also makes me wonder. If one of those cities in America are destroyed, would you also consider it blown out of proportion? I mean it's just a city right? It's dirty and poor and it's better off gone.
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I didnt donate during the Tsunami a while back so I see no real reason to donate to this disaster.
Haiti means nothing to me, Im sorry for the people and ill say a prayer for them but thats as far as im willing to go.
If an American city like Buffalo was flattened then I wouldnt donate a damned cent either and if a city in my country was destroyed then as far as im concerned its every man for himself.
Just being honest.
Haiti means nothing to me, Im sorry for the people and ill say a prayer for them but thats as far as im willing to go.
If an American city like Buffalo was flattened then I wouldnt donate a damned cent either and if a city in my country was destroyed then as far as im concerned its every man for himself.
Just being honest.
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Ethil wrote...
The only thing that actually bothered me with your post, and the only thing I wanted to say is that it is, imho, wrong to say that "it is blown out of proportion". The fact that it is given so much attention, the fact that the coverage is so extensive is not something that you should call bad just because "there has been other disasters that didn't get as much attention". Ofc it isn't a good thing that some disasters aren't given the attention they deserve, but now when Haiti is, why not encourage this instead of pointing fingers?
Alright, you've got me on this one. I didn't think of it that way and it is good that they are starting to cover some stuff, regardless of what they do miss. Just a bit of my pessimism that made me see it differently I suppose.
lollercookiez wrote...
I don't see how this is blown out of proportion. So the death of over 75,000 people is considered blown out of proportion? So a city that has been completely destroyed is blown out of proportion? I'll probably get flamed for this but, if anything, the 9/11 attack was blown out of proportion. 2,973 American compared to over 75,000 Haitians deaths. I wonder which one was truly blown out of proportion.
I was comparing it with other events which have yielded worse outcomes but gotten less coverage. And yes, 9/11 was far blown out of proportion.
lollercookiez wrote...
Even if you don't care, like I do, this is in no way blown out of proportion. An entire city was leveled. Just because it's a third world country doesn't mean that the lives of people in there are worth less. That's bigotry.
It also makes me wonder. If one of those cities in America are destroyed, would you also consider it blown out of proportion? I mean it's just a city right? It's dirty and poor and it's better off gone.
I don't think their lives are worth less just because they lived in a third world country. I just think that the fact that they were in a poor position and noone thought of helping them, but now after a tragic event, suddenly everyone has to help the same people (some who's lives were nearly as bad already) is a bit hypocritical.
As for a city in America, if it gets destroyed I'd have the same attitude towards it as I do towards Haiti. Treating anywhere else different just because people have more money or they live in a certain country is stupid. Everyone other than family and friends is equal to me. I'm willing to help when they're in need, but I won't care much about the people themselves because I don't know them.
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I care.
It's certainly a horrible thing that happened. And I hope that if I am ever trapped under a building after a huge earthquake hits people care enough to try to save me. That said humanity is killing the planet so in a way it's our own fault. Hugs nearest tree
Thinking about it reminds me of Swan Song.
It's certainly a horrible thing that happened. And I hope that if I am ever trapped under a building after a huge earthquake hits people care enough to try to save me. That said humanity is killing the planet so in a way it's our own fault. Hugs nearest tree
Thinking about it reminds me of Swan Song.