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Roofie
15 years ago
gentle Jichan wrote...
Vio wrote...
I never said sexual desire. I said dissatisfaction.

Is heterosexuality a conscious choice? No. Neither is homosexuality.


ya want to say they were born as gays and bis?


http://www.webmd.com/sex-relationships/news/20050128/is-there-gay-gene

Amongst other sources.
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Jacob
15 years ago
A few of my really good friends are gay and they are amazing people. One of them is marrying his boyfriend of 5 years very soon, I will be the best man at the wedding. I hope they are able to adopt a child because they would both be amazing parents.
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Ergheiz Derp
15 years ago
What does it matter what sexual orientation someone has? As long as I don't get bothered with it, it's cool. :)
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Alina
15 years ago
I don't think homosexuality is wrong.

I have always wanted to have gay friends.

I have many lesbian friends, and they were not too different from other girls. I respect what they like, since I do not see anything wrong with it.

I do not see a reason why people should be hated for being homosexual. They are just different, and I respect that.
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NeoStriker
15 years ago
For some strange reason, I seem to attract female bisexuals, as they make up 1/3 of my friend population.
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softbanker
15 years ago
Two of my best employees are gays. Yeah I know its weird especially coming from me, but this is SD.
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Vio
15 years ago
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gentle Jichan wrote...
hmmm, interesting way to look at things.

Vio wrote...
you can't decide your sexuality

sorry lass, but it is the main point where your thoughts start to deviate.

Vio wrote...
major personality changes {due to} traumatic incidents/massive outside pressure

the thing is people can learn to understand these things and endure/settle them, without giving in.

Vio wrote...
repression of homosexual feelings or cause them to appear, or to be fully realized.

ah, this sounds just like repressing my desire to fap But ya're confusing fap with fetish - confusing your "desire to rub your dick/pussy and have an orgasm" with "in what manner/circumstance/place/with whom to rub it" - confusing your physical senses with mental desires.

You are repressing your urge to Fuck (no matter in what manner). And you have attained certainty in your penchant (gay/etc), manner of arousal (fetish) in which ya achieve orgasm. But people tend to change their preferences. it doesn't mean they start hating their previous fetishes, no. They just don't seem to be satisfied with em anymore and start experimenting other ways. It is not like you are a constant gay, lesbian, or something. And here's the biggest mis take they make -

- They think they have realized their "true" selves. FUCK THAT. Why don't gays start fucking chicks? Because of some mental experience? It sounds just like "why do people hate spiders or deep water?" Because of some mental experience. well, it's just a delusion. I almost drowned once and was overrun by spiders but i do not suffer from it, still i drink water and walk over em.

All children from birth tend to mother's tits, not father's. So experience is what makes you gay. But you know that Experience is a great thing and you can change your mindset (hence understanding, sufferings, desires, aspirations, sexual preferences and etc.) from one state to another due to it. When you were ten you liked one things. When you are thirty
you changed your passions.

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Vio wrote...
My point is, you don't wake up and say, "I'm going to make out with boys today!" and then decide you're straight the next day. People can't choose who they fall in love with -- I think for almost every person, there has been a time in their life where they have fallen for the wrong person. Straight, gay, or bi. In middle school, I had a thing for Star Jock Boy, while I was a little nerdy girl who wrote stories in the corner. That obviously wasn't going to lead to anything, and it would have been far better if I had fallen for a boy of the same social status. I didn't choose to like him, and I couldn't stop myself.


this paragraph is about your singlesided experience. But it is not the end of your knowledge income, is it? Read some wisdom books and see through your desires or something.

"fall in love"? family members love each other, sisters love sisters, brothers love brothers. Friends feel affection. And it all goes without sexual desire. But if you are speaking of romantic relationship - then sexual desire is one of the main elements here. That's why it is called straight, gay, bi, etc.

Vio wrote...
This is the case for many gay people. They hate themselves for being gay, strongly wish to become straight, force themselves into having heterosexual sex or abstaining from gay sex, but in the end: they're gay. They didn't choose it. They can't change it, can't completely erase their feelings. The most they can do is suppress them.

Now, the bold text is bullshit. If they want to fuck each other then they are only being ashamed of their pervert side infront of others. If a man feels affaction for another man it doesn't mean they have to have sex. BROS. RESPECT. CARE. DEVOUTION. not all goes to sex.

and the other unbold half looks like an excuse. If ya didn't understand it - read this again.

Tsuruya wrote...
Don't give me the "penis in vagina" routine either. That doesn't mean that other sexual preferences aren't normal.

You know that at first society was lead by natural ways of breeding.
And the term "normal" is for what is considered acceptable for the majority of humankind. So normal means usual for majority. Only in the last century people started gaining variety in thinking and doings.


I was using my personal experience as an example. I could have said the same thing in third person and it would have gotten the point across just as fine.

Also, English sucks when it comes to words for "love". It seems you misunderstood me. There's a huge difference between familial love and friendship than romantic love. I meant specifically romantic love.

Every person is different. Maybe they were gay from birth. Maybe they were gay from some mental experience. Maybe another person went through the exact same experience and wasn't changed at all from it. I can't speak for everyone.

gentle Jichan wrote...
If they want to fuck each other then they are only being ashamed of their pervert side infront of others. If a man feels affaction for another man it doesn't mean they have to have sex. BROS. RESPECT. CARE. DEVOUTION. not all goes to sex.


Not necessarily true. There's so much pressure on people to be straight. Gay people are made to feel like they're sinners, unclean, unworthy, condemned. If one falls to this pressure and begins to believe that they are all of those things, it breeds self-hatred. Self-hatred is a very personal thing, a strictly internal battle. It's not just that they're ashamed of having people know that they're gay. They're ashamed of being gay, even if they're the only person in the world who knows. They may even hate themselves for it. (Now, this doesn't apply to all homosexuals. Just some.)
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Koyori
15 years ago
What do you mean you can switch your sexual preferences at any time? So you're not being turned on by men because you choose to not be? I'm siding with science that suggests that your are born gay or straight.
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Anomalouse
15 years ago
NeoStriker wrote...
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NeoStriker wrote...
Whenever I meet someone who's homophobic, I act gay to scare them. PFFFFFFFFT! I find phobias to be silly in general, and homophobia...LOLOLOLOL. Also, I'm one of those people who consider complete homosexuals as "inferior" to the straight "race".


I bolded what I wanted to talk about, but I wasn't sure from the rest of this post if it was sarcastic or not. I think the path to getting a group accepted is not being self-righteous about it; I can't blame a person for staying a homophobe if they're made to feel bad about it, which brings me to my two cents...

Have any of you ever met a person, there's not really a proper term for them, so I'll call them homo-hipsters. The vast, vast majority of them are girls, and:
* They take any opportunity to chew out absolutely any person who utters the word "faggot" in their presence, regardless of context (I think words only hurt when they're meant to, using the word fag in casual conversation ain't kosher, but it's not heresy)
* They like to flaunt their homosexuality, as if to show the world how mature they are and how liking people of the same sex makes them unique.
They always picked on me in high school, because I speak impulsively and vulgarly, put my foot in my mouth, and nothing makes them happier than to take me down a notch. I hate every last one of them.

If you're reading this and what I just described corresponds to you, please stop, immediately. You're worse than homophobic bullies, if anything you spawn them; you create discordance between gays and non-gays.


Really? Just really? You became scared of homosexuals? No no, in this case, I don't think you were scared of homosexuals and homosexuality, I think you just hated being put down. Anyone can do that. Not just homosexuals. So I don't believe you're a homophobe, and also, to everyone else: I don't believe the correct term is "homophobic", I believe it's, "pissed at homosexuals". There's a different between fear and anger.


No no no, let me try to explain this better...

When I talked about being put down, I was talking about people who think that because I impulsively utter a word that has other connotations than a sexual slur, I am being hostile to homosexuals. Deep down, these people are desperate to show the world that they're mature, and think that by chewing me out for using that one word, regardless of context, they are now fighting on behalf of a good cause and thus demonstrating to the world how grown up they are. I'm calling bullshit.

That was a tangent, somewhat unrelated to what you had said. Now, let me explain why I think you shouldn't pick on homophobics:

Even if homophobics (and I think homophobe is an accepted shorthand of the term) are in the moral wrong, it's not right to treat them with hostility. People can't help their fears, and homophobia comes down to fear of a concept that, while natural, still goes against the more common way of doing things.

Besides the fact that homosexuality is a little weird of a concept to begin with, gay culture likes to tack on a lot of bizarre, occasionally perverted, and usually really creepy imagery to it. I think a number of homophobics are reacting negatively to this and only this, and mistakenly think that it carries over to every gay person on the planet (it does not).
Akaoni21 wrote...
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I think that Homosexuality is wrong but it seems to have been around since the dawn of time. (If theres a hole its gonna get fucked)

Ive been in the company of Homosexuals (Knowingly) about 5 times in my life and most of those times (4-5 times) it was uncomfortable in the extreme, I try explaining to them that im not gay and to not hang all over me but most of the time their pretty agressive and predatory in their search for some ass.

(I know a lot of my views are negative but all ive really had are negative experiences so...) :(

There's nothing wrong with homosexuality making people uncomfortable, so don't take it out on them, even if they're hostile about it. You have to embrace people and understand their fears before they can embrace you; picking on them is counterintuitive, it only makes them more hostile.
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NeoStriker
15 years ago
Anomalouse wrote...

No no no, let me try to explain this better...

When I talked about being put down, I was talking about people who think that because I impulsively utter a word that has other connotations than a sexual slur, I am being hostile to homosexuals. Deep down, these people are desperate to show the world that they're mature, and think that by chewing me out for using that one word, regardless of context, they are now fighting on behalf of a good cause and thus demonstrating to the world how grown up they are. I'm calling bullshit.

That was a tangent, somewhat unrelated to what you had said. Now, let me explain why I think you shouldn't pick on homophobics:


That…was a tangent? Well, thank you for making it clear.

Anomalouse wrote...

Even if homophobics (and I think homophobe is an accepted shorthand of the term) are in the moral wrong, it's not right to treat them with hostility. People can't help their fears, and homophobia comes down to fear of a concept that, while natural, still goes against the more common way of doing things.


I do believe people can "help" their fears. And to be scared of homosexuals of all things…hahaha! They’re not necessarily in the moral wrong, but they are silly.[/quote]
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Fiery_penguin_of_doom
15 years ago
Anomalouse wrote...
That was a tangent, somewhat unrelated to what you had said. Now, let me explain why I think you shouldn't pick on homophobics:

Even if homophobics (and I think homophobe is an accepted shorthand of the term) are in the moral wrong, it's not right to treat them with hostility. People can't help their fears, and homophobia comes down to fear of a concept that, while natural, still goes against the more common way of doing things.

Besides the fact that homosexuality is a little weird of a concept to begin with, gay culture likes to tack on a lot of bizarre, occasionally perverted, and usually really creepy imagery to it. I think a number of homophobics are reacting negatively to this and only this, and mistakenly think that it carries over to every gay person on the planet (it does not).


The University of Georgia did a study in th late 90's that concluded that homophobic men are closet gays. I don't have a link at the moment but, I do know it was published in the August 1996 issue of the Journal of Abnormal Psychology, published by the American Psychological Association. Also a Cornell University study found that some men who are homophobic are overcompensating due to their own insecurities about their own masculinity.

Edit: Found some links but, will look for actual study.pdf

http://web.archive.org/web/20040202035152/www.apa.org/releases/homophob.html
http://www.news-medical.net/news/2005/08/02/12222.aspx
http://www.news.cornell.edu/stories/aug05/soc.gender.dea.html
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Anomalouse
15 years ago
Fiery_penguin_of_doom wrote...
The University of Georgia did a study in th late 90's that concluded that homophobic men are closet gays. I don't have a link at the moment but, I do know it was published in the August 1996 issue of the Journal of Abnormal Psychology, published by the American Psychological Association. Also a Cornell University study found that some men who are homophobic are overcompensating due to their own insecurities about their own masculinity.

Edit: Found some links but, will look for actual study.pdf

http://web.archive.org/web/20040202035152/www.apa.org/releases/homophob.html
http://www.news-medical.net/news/2005/08/02/12222.aspx
http://www.news.cornell.edu/stories/aug05/soc.gender.dea.html


I thought that was more of a myth...

Still, there are people out there who are honestly creeped out by overly flamboyant homosexuals, and I think what I was getting at holds true for both of those groups anyway...
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Fiery_penguin_of_doom
15 years ago
Anomalouse wrote...
]I thought that was more of a myth...

Still, there are people out there who are honestly creeped out by overly flamboyant homosexuals, and I think what I was getting at holds true for both of those groups anyway...


Nothing wrong with not liking obnoxious people. Flamboyant gays tend to be rather obnoxious and loud like the gentlemen you spoke of who hung all over you.

I was speaking more along the line of the people who irrationally hate gays (sans any religious doctrine). Those men are so deep in the closet their finding Christmas presents.
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Anomalouse
15 years ago
Fiery_penguin_of_doom wrote...
Nothing wrong with not liking obnoxious people. Flamboyant gays tend to be rather obnoxious and loud like the gentlemen you spoke of who hung all over you.


That was not me, I was quoting Akaoni21, who posted that at the bottom of page 2. Didn't you notice all the typographical and grammatical errors (which I'd like to think I avoid)?
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Fiery_penguin_of_doom
15 years ago
Anomalouse wrote...
Fiery_penguin_of_doom wrote...
Nothing wrong with not liking obnoxious people. Flamboyant gays tend to be rather obnoxious and loud like the gentlemen you spoke of who hung all over you.


That was not me, I was quoting Akaoni21, who posted that at the bottom of page 2. Didn't you notice all the typographical and grammatical errors (which I'd like to think I avoid)?


My apologies. I was reading it while typing. All the brackets and such mislead me.
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Vio
15 years ago
gentle Jichan wrote...
as you can see, Koyori-san, i'm speaking to a lesbian right now. Currently she is not feeling lust for male sex which seems not quite natural. Assuming from bi's experience a boy/girl only needs a suitable mindset to do the thing. (similar to Nashrak's favorite "mindbreak")


Wait, what? Are you referring to me? When did I say anything even hinting that I might be a lesbian myself? The personal example I gave was actually a story of me lusting after a man.

I can defend homosexuals without being gay myself. I'd defend a black man if he faced discrimination, although I'm white.
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7stars
15 years ago
Some people are homophobic, some arn't. typical pointless prejudice. i dont really understand it in the slightest, or at least not in a way i could properly articulate.



gentle Jichan wrote...
Vio wrote...
I can defend homosexuals without being gay myself. I'd defend a black man if he faced discrimination, although I'm white.


It is very heartful of you to say that. But i should point out that skin pigmentation of a human and his sexual desires are not the same.


but arn't they? a persons skin color and a persons sexual attraction are both part of their natural identity. you do not choose your skin color, and you do not choose your sexual attraction. they are both simply part of who you are as a human being. you do not have to defend each merit separately, but rather defend a persons natural identity as a whole.
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ZKnoves
15 years ago
Look, it's very simple. Sometimes opposites attract and sometimes they don't.

Edit: Oh yeah, and sometimes they attract both ways.
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GracefulDiscension.
15 years ago
ZKnoves wrote...

Edit:[/b] Oh yeah, and sometimes they attract both ways.


Like me ^^ I feel so speshul.
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Koyori
15 years ago
gentle Jichan wrote...
So how do you think - would they, by the time their puberty takes place, start mating with the same sex?

Some would, some would not as everything apart from personal believes of a few people such as yourself indicates that you are born gay or straight. And the concept that humans would act like animals if they weren't taught anything is flawed. And who defines what's "natural"? If natural is just what's most common for you then it must also mean that it's natural to be a complete retard as most people are pretty idiotic.
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