Homosexuals

Dont care. Doesnt effect me. Doesnt effect my family. Doesnt effect my religion. Just dont bother me and Im fine. Hell, if there are more gays, there will be more women for me.

Why do I get the feeling that was directed especially at me? <.<

First: oi lad, i was trying to point out that personal beliefs are distracting people from seeing the real deal about the subject. It's just like you said. Why would anyone even want to do something unnecessary for surviving without beliefs/views/opinions?

Second: I agree. All hypothetical logic is flawed because it is based on imagination and can't take everything into account.

Third: Do not mistake - common sense (which is also considered as norm) is based on human understanding of naturality.

Now what is this naturality i'm always speaking about?


Like Tsurayu noticed homosexuality in some creatures (i don't know what), i would like to say that taking example of behavior from other speacies is also flawed:

Let's take spiders - after they have mated the female eats the male.
Would you also eat your partner after sex?

The point is, every lifeform on this planet was given it's own kind of body structure not for our meaningless mimicing or imitation.
Naturality defines as following the needs and purpuses of your specific organism. It means realizing it's natural (created by nature) destination. Why did i say the word following and not creating new? Because your body is already adjusted with specific survival requirements which, consequently, generates specific behavior (impetus), in the same way as it was formed for any other type of living being.

As we see animals/insects/plants don't give a single thought to their behavoir like "does their sexual orientation satisfy or dissatisfy them", or "how cool would be fucking a specie of the same sex?" -
they are only pursuing the needs of their own bodies. And to ahcieve this goal they act according to their provided abilities, available by their existing body complexion and potential. People call this - instinctive behavior.

Hope i do not need to explain to you the purpuse of human's body parts like dick, balls, pussy and asshole.

It seems like you're implying that it's wrong/immoral/bad because it's unnatural.

In that case (if that's not the case, this still applies to the bullshit unnatural arguments):

Thank you, Rbz.

Got a long way to go.

I'm a bisexual, with many gay friends, and I haven't seen any judgement -yet- but I think here in New Zealand, overall it seems to be frowned apon, alot. Both my dad and my best friend from high school are homophobic, made coming out so much harder. Females have it alot easier than males though, even I can get offended due to things said to my gay friends. But anyway, this is why Gay Bars were invented, no discimination~!

I do not know why, but lesbians are fine, but it's the ... gays...
It's just ... weird...

I can be a little too honest sometimes >.< But all males judge gays, and some females, but gays make the BEST friends, seriously, my best gay friend is like a boyfriend, but without the physical stuff, its awesome.

That's probably because he likes what you like. (Men) :D

If homosexuality is normal, why aren't people who do incest or people who want sexual relations with children considered to be normal as well...? If love is a behavior that cannot be helped, why frown upon other practices, while supporting another?

BTW, Jichan, I think I'm gay for you. Just kidding. But yeah, good arguments.

When it comes to psychology, I agree that people's emotions are learned through experiences. Look up B. F. Skinner and John Watson people.

The fact that people cannot help what they're attracted to is bullshit. Then cultural styles would never change throughout history.

Children are easy to manipulate and abuse. It's questionable at best whether they can really consent to such a situation.

Incest, dunno. Doesn't bother me. Your line of thinking is warped though, asking why pedophiles can't be viewed the same as two consenting adults...

If the child consented, and you knew for a fact that there were no manipulation behind it, would you deem it okay for an older man to have sexual relations with the child? And if yes, would you find it to be normal?

If those requirements were met, I don't see a reason not to. Though I find it hard to believe this actually would happen in a real scenario.



What's "normal" and what's not is shaped by society standards. In the society we live in, naw it wouldn't be normal but why care? Pederasty was ok in Ancient Greece, so there.

I could probably argue E. A. Poe, but the fact that it would happen in a real scenario is not the real issue. The fact that you find this to be okay is quite disturbing though.

I'm wondering where the line is drawn for people who think anything is okay if someone is emotionally driven (since they can't help it).

Why even have ethics in society? Why follow rules and regulations just as long as we aren't hurting someone if we should be able to do whatever the fuck we want? Is it because we as humans have basic principles we know to be right and wrong even without an explanation? That as humans we have governance over our own thoughts and actions while restraining our emotions? I think so.

I just can't agree with the logic that pretty much anything is okay and acceptable as long as you can justify it with emotions, which apparently impairs our ability to choose.

The fact that you believe an adult can have a relationship with an immature child just because they're emotionally driven just does not seem right at all as they both have millions of choices. Our destiny is not predetermined by our emotions.



I'm not asking about society's norms, I'm asking about what you think is normal as a person who thinks homosexuality is socially acceptable.

I don't get your point at all, to be honest.

My opinion is fairly extreme; as long as the people involved consent to it, I don't see a reason to prevent it. Since I can't see a child consenting to a sexual relationship with an adult, I don't think it's ok.

And where is your problem now? I don't see what sexual relationships with minors have anything to do with homosexuality in general at all.

Take English writing and you might learn something about analogies.

So I need to take English writing to understand your arguments - smooth move, bro.