Men Against Women?

This is the stuff! Finally a woman who isnt a pussy to admit what is going on acutally. Basically what feminism is doing these days isnt protecting women but they are trying to get back on men for being dominant in history until now. I mean do you even all realize that it wasnt all that bad? I dont mean to be rude but what COULD a women do in the middle age for example? Like said men are physically stronger and of course they had to do the hard labor, but women today are bitching about being the victims and being treated like prisoners in the past that had to do the laundry, cook and help with some manual labor while men often when they were young had to be soldiers because they were forced to by the government at that time. Honestley I'd rather do the dishes and clean the house half of the day than go and work the whole day like in a standard traditional family. If women want the same treatment as men then they should also be treated the same if its something bad. IF you however want to use being a woman as an excuse when its something hard or bad and use feminism and rights when you want something, you deserve a good slap honestly, since its like mockery if you want all the sweet stuff in life without anything bad in it. Im not saying that its ok to hit women, rather the opposite since I am gentle as a person and hate violence (althought im strict), but realize that its all about give and take, as long you treat men nicely, true men will treat you nicely in return. And honestly as soon women get angry they are also known to use violence, and just becausee it doesnt hurt as much when you hit us doesnt mean that you can do it and get away with it because you are a woman, you wanted equality? Deal with it. In conclusion both genders should be treated nicely and should be punished equally if they did something bad. Also bravo Raparperi!

Men bossing women around usually suffer from some trauma, inferiority complex, low testosterone which in turn makes them aggresive, being slightly feminized by this day and age's society may also be a cause for mens' obscene behvaior, being a man myself I know very well how primitive we truly are in that we are less neotonized than women.

I liked ronnix and luvyduv opinions~<3 And the others Rapapari/n3lsongoth I see the point.

yeah the term "gentlemen" is a rare term these days. I include myself when i says that chances are he needs her more than she needs him, I'd never treat a woman like that nor anyone else, personally i think the ladies have it harder anyways with the monthly hormones, work, watching any kid(s) they may have and then, more than likely being the one that cooks dinner. how do you do all that? my hats off to you.

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Okay, it is awfully sad that men have been dominating women for centuries. Yes, it is sad that women suffer PMSing and hormonal changes. Yes, it is sad that men have beat women in the past.

But, why isn't sad when a women beats a man? Why isn't it sad that men struggle to control their emotions more than women? Why isn't it sad that, in divorce cases, a women always gets the custody of the children over the man?

It is a two-way street.

In all honesty, if I may state my honest opinion, I think that the scales have tipped in women's favour. Looking at the law of rape; only a man can be charged of rape. Why can't a women? Looking at the law of employment; there have been many cases where, when a women has been discharged due to ineptitude, they have successfully claimed that they were discharged due to their sex and have claimed £100,000's of the company. Looking at the politics; there has to be a certain amount of women in Government and Parliament aka Positive Discrimination. Looking at the law of family disputes; the man doesn't stand a chance in hell anymore (Trust me, I know FULL WELL about this area of the law. Don't even question me on this).

The legal system has become a joke; pandering to the females' discrimination cases and such. If they weren't to do this, they wouldn't get into Parliament or Government or the Judiciary, so they're forced to do these things.

You may label me as sexist by those comments. Well, they're not. I care about the integrity of the legal system over petty disputes between males and females about who is the better sex. I couldn't care less about the gender divide.

Blame is the favorite past time of those who dislike responsibility.

Try hard as we might be be fair, we are all hypocrites.

This is sexist too--when courts assume that women should get custody of the children. What, men can't be good caretakers? Women can't be horrid parents? Honestly, parental suitability and the children's choice should be taken into account.



I'm not so sure the scales have tipped in women's favour yet. Things have improved, but women still earn less than men for equal jobs except in the case of young women straight out of college. As careers go on, it's more the case that men earn more, even when taking into account maternity leaves and other such "womanly" matters. There was a study about that, actually.

I dunno about the UK, but in the US, I'm pretty darn sure women can be charged with rape too. However, no man would dare come forward. Why? Again, sexism. If a man were to claim he were rape he would either be a) disbelieved, because men are supposed to want sex all the time, so how could he have been raped? or b) laughed at because he is too "pussy" to have defended himself and deserves what he gets. Classic victim-blaming, and it paints rape as just a women's problem, whereas males can get raped too--by other males, or by females. However, it remains fact that most of the perpetrators of rape are by far and large male, so most of those who get charged are indeed male.

Rape trials are routinely thrown out--especially if the accused is a rich and powerful male--because of victim-blaming. See: the Dominique Strauss-Kahn rape trials, where aspersions were cast upon Diallo because of inconsistent testimony, even if there was physical evidence that an assault had occurred. Again, lots of victim-blaming occurs: when a women brings forth an accusation of rape, the first thing law enforcement does is ask the woman where she was, what she was wearing, what she was doing...and heaven forbid the women be out drinking wearing a "slutty" outfit, because then she can be blamed for not taking enough precautions against getting raped.

In the US, there was recently a class-action lawsuit against Walmart, putting forth the claim that Walmart systemically discriminated against women in hiring and promotion. There was very good evidence for it--women who worked longer that men being paid less, for example, and not getting promoted over men with lesser experience and this was shown to be true in Walmarts across the country--however, even with the preponderance of data showing the discrimination, it was thrown out of the courts.

Things might be different in the UK; I don't know the legal situation there. But in the US at least, things are still not equal, much less biased towards women.

I don't get the law on a lot of things not the bit about men getting charged for stuff but about things they don't get charged with like beating their wives or girlfriends.

I personally know of one occasion where this man attempts to kill his wife. The police eventually intervene but no charges are giving. Now she may of said she didn't want to press charges or she didn't want to testify, but I'm not sure if this matters for giving charges even if that was the case she was in a coma and could not remember exactly what happened and he had previous history for beating women. Why on earth is he never charged for any thing?

What you are discussing is just a section of the population. There are also a bunch of women who treat men like shit or pull out the gender card whenever it benefits them, like my mum to a certain degree.

Well, I am surrounded by incredibly respectful men, who treat women BETTER than they deserve. I think someone here has made a very big assumption.

People need to remember, equality is, by definition, exact. If men may join the infantry, then women may immediately. If women can wear high heels, then men may immediately. No exceptions at all. What women are getting, is MORE opportunities than men, can not be hurt (no matter how much they DESERVE it) and then have the balls to say they are treated unfairly. This, by definition of equality, is not fucking equal at all.

Yes, if a women hits a man, then the man may hit back. Welcome to equality. Don't give me that bs about women being weaker than men, because I have seen not only body builder females, but also gotten my ass handed to me by a female. Don't give me the bs about the ethics of hitting a women, because that is a double standard considering a women may hurt a man and a man can not.

Don't tell me men are better leaders, because they are not, but they are not worse leaders either. Women and men are both 100% capable. Don't tell me women are better at multi tasking, no they are not, because I know men who utterly own any women in terms of multitasking, again both 100% capable.

Women being better than men because they give birth is stupid. 1.) Claiming women do all the hard work when men just pregnate is like putting a dollar into a vendine machine, and saying the coke is the vendine machines and not yours. 2.) Women have to give birth through the womb where men do not... That is like arguing that Black is better than white because it isn't white, and in reverse. So your role is plopping the baby out, so what! Our role is to create it! Equal, 100%.

There you go, viola! The entire debate/argument in one post.

I don't get why some men (or women even, to men/women) project all their hatred of one woman upon the entire sex of females.

Hating over half the world's population isn't going to make you many friends.

Bad previous experiences shape their perception of the either sexes.

I was almost not going to reply because it seems like a troll, but this is the single most stupid analogy I've read ALL YEAR. And I read creationist arguments too.

This, dear people, is a prime example of the objectification of women--as if they're just broodmares to make babies and they don't expend time, effort, and pain to carry a child. Get this: a vending machine does not have feelings and is an object that is just supposed to keep your sodas cool until you put in your coins and buy the soda. A woman is a living, breathing PERSON who has feelings, a job, and shit to do, and just doesn't sit around there waiting for some hapless man to impregnate her with his sperm and take the baby. This casual dismissal and ignorance of how difficult the process is and how much it takes out of women with the vending machine analogy is just plain idiotic.

Being able to carry a child to term and give birth doesn't make women better than men. However, it still remains that biologically the woman does ALL the work in carrying the child and the man just gives sperm and can leave the child behind if he so wanted. Unless you're a seahorse male, you can't really claim that males have an equal hand in the making of a child.

Oh god.... nice topic bro.

So nice of you to mention that we are human too (twice!). I think that it is obvious even without your or anyone else's acknowledgement but who knows... My problem with that is the mere fact you even mention it because by doing so you state an obvious distinction solely based on gender. The problem lies right there. People should be first treated like individuals and then as women or men. If we all followed that logic then gender would matter less and thus would not be such a problem. Im not saying it doesnt matter but its not as important as some make it out to be.

Everyone has it hard. Not only women and they should not be treated different. Yes some pms pretty hard and birth should not be overlooked but these are both natural. If some is born without an arm they just adjust and function just as well as any another human. Besides women have been doing it since the dawn of time- I think we can handle it. Men also go through monthly cycles- hormonal changes (far less disruptive but still) that may cause similar symptoms to pms.

Not to be offensive but just as many men are assholes so are many women bitches. and both deserve the treatment they get. Generally its true that many women are treated unfairly but that cant be avoided- there is too much history of violence and oppression (not gonna go into detail i think we all know what about that). The only way for that to be mended is a global change of attitude that will eventually happen. But the truth is that it takes time. Not gonna happen in my or your lifetime probably.

....How do you treat your woman...... whose woman now???? and you talk about equality...(i hope you are asking the question based on the pov of the person who is to answer such a question)

Also i don't think hitting women is bad and I'm a woman...if i can hit a man i can sure as hell hit a woman....cause...we're equal right? If a man hits me and i know i did something that would make me want to hit some if they did it... then yeah- I'll take it. Because, yes, women feel pain a little more acutely but i keep to my principles.

Usually I don.t see the point in discussing such topics but your post struck a nerve... maybe cause I'm getting sick and I'm irritable and totally cause I'm a woman but fact is- when I read your opinion i though: dude...you don't see women as equal wtf are you talking about?!

One last thing- I personally don't care if people discriminate me based on gender. I try my best not to do it and that's what matters. If everyone just stopped caring about it then it wont be a problem. Now there's probably a 1000 things wrong with this statement....too bad its the best i can do. Sexist jokes are funny- they are jokes after all.

[font=verdana][color=green]Now now, Neko, now you're doing the exact same as the person before you was doing. You are thinking entirely from the woman perspective.

Yes, bearing a child is a difficult task, but who do you think is supporting the woman when they are pregnant? (Yes, I know that their can be lesbian couples. Yes, I know that some men run out before the child is born. But the overwhelming majority of births aren't like that. So don't shoot me. ) The father of the child has to work to support not only his wife/girlfriend, but also the extra food and support needed to bring the child to term. Sure, for the first few weeks, a woman can still work, but after that, she will go on maternity leave; leaving the male to support them both as well as the baby.

Also, when the women is pregnant, she can get a bit...hormonal-y, and who has to deal with that? The man again. Quite honestly, I have seen cases where the women treats her husband/boyfriend like shit when she's pregnant due to all the hormones. Yes, she has the excuse that she's pregnant, but it's still a lot for the male to deal with.

So, no Neko, I do not agree with your claim that males don't have an equal hand in the making of a child. They simply have different tasks that they each have to do to bring up the child. Not more important than each other or less so. Merely different from each other.

Let's not make this a thread of one-up-manship thread about how women are better than men or vice versa. We're more adult than that, cheers.

See, now if that person stated what you did, then yes, I would agree that it is an equal effort, even though biologically speaking the woman does all the work. But the dude said just creating the baby makes it equal--as if providing the sperm could be called equal to 9 months of pregnancy and hours of labour!

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I feel like this topic lacks a proper focus. I am to understand that your questioning the moral inclinations of certain male individuals to exhibit violence towards females. Frankly, the actual reasons or causes could have a multitude of variables effecting the overall conclusion. Mostly, the reasons are born from deeper psychological issues, although their are many cases that provide the contrary. Regardless, your only focusing on an extremely narrow spectrum. Human beings in general, regardless of sex, have a tendency towards evil and cruelty in every horrific way imaginable. Human nature at its worst, im afraid >.>

It goes both ways, some women treat men like crap as well. It's just bitterness. When immature people don't get what they want, they get hurt and bitter. Repeat that a few times and they'll start hating. It's pretty sad, because that sort of behaviour is not helping one bit.