The Anime Death Penalty

I pretty much agree with you. A lot of people are just...full of shit. They like to feel special or different or some such shenanigans, and whenever something becomes popular, it suddenly sold out or someone fucked it up. Bleh.
However, with anime, or anything taken across different languages and cultures, for that matter, there are occasions in which shit genuinely is not as good as it once was.
A few points to clarify:
1. Bad dubs. The acting in an animated show or even the voice over in live action is really more important than people seem to give credit for. A bad dub takes a lot out of a show. That being said, people hate on dubs that aren't actually that bad a lot.
2. Thing get lost in translation. This is true more in anime and foreign films from Asia than in most other areas, in my experience. I don't know a whole lot about those cultures or languages beyond their media, but it seems that both language and cultures are so different from our own, that a lot more gets lost than European to America things. Subs translate without...translating. Just because you are still watching the original production. There is a lot more to this, but the basic point is that shit doesn't always translate as well as you'd hope.
3. The weeaboo factor. I still both watch and read Bleach, but the stigma around it will keep me from talking about it most of the time. I don't want to be associated with those assholes.
4. Intentional editing. This is a big complaint about One Piece. It wasn't just interpreted and dubbed, they intentionally edited to make it more geared towards kids in America. Which makes it less entertaining for older crowds.

There is also the matter of a dub often being different in certain ways from the original, which is related to point #2, but it's not always a bad thing. Just because it's different doesn't mean it's bad.

But the only reason people aren't happy about things gaining wider popularity is because they want to be part of a niche or cult fallowing. It's a GOOD thing.

what's the point of bringing up a 2 year old thread?

Other then that:
Naruto - Way to many fillers to make it enjoyable.
Pokemon - Don't get me started. stopped following halfway when the list was 250.

I think the reason Bleach and Naruto have such a high percentage of hentai simply due to the fact they're both animes who cater to ALL fanboys and fangirls alike. There's a type of girl and guy for everything.

So when you have a lot of characters of different types you're going to have a lot of different doujins created of those people.

Granted, I'll agree that most are badly done - however, there's some prizes in there too. My favorites on doujin can attest to that.

I stopped watching Naruto before the chunnin exams kicked in because so many people at my school wore the headbands and would talk about nothing else. I agree that Bleach went downhill after the SS story arc. In the end I think the fan base for these shows are a bigger threat to any good anime. Mostly due to these fans thinking that Naruto and Bleach are godly and any anime that won't get picked up by 4Kids or Adult Swim are not worth watching.

I will contend that The Naruto anime was not ruined by American television, It was ruined by the 4Kids Corp. The people who make a living off destroying anime with substance and gluing it back together with enough electrical tape to cover anything that might have any sort of message besides sales to the zygotes their fanbase is made of. Outlaw Star was featured on American television. And So was Cowboy Bebop and Trigun. Hell Gundam 0083 was also featured on American television and that wasn't destroyed now was it?

All depends on the anime, blood+ was played on adultswim and i have yet to see any hentai.

I'll have to agree with that. Cowboy Bebop is one of my most favorite dubs.

Exactly. Just being shown on American TV doesn't mean it's a bad anime. Or does it mean that it will kill it. It's the actual content of the show or the amount of jackassery that the fans exhibit that actually give something the "death sentence" or not.

i agree 4 kids is the true culprit here. Naruto would have been fine if not for the filler episodes ,re-runs,and cancellation of toonami bleach on the other hand....ehh i have nothing to say but American TV doesn't ruin anime....a mixture of 4 kids & the bastards at cartoon network who mistreat their anime fans
4 kid is ruining everything.... take yugioh 5ds .The Japanese version of 5d's was awesome its a really ok show......but guess what happened to it ...bleh

I blame god. You should try it. Life becomes so much easier after you blame an omnipotent being with the biggest fanclub.

Can't we just pray to Bishamonten to destroy the 4Kids office?

I have to say that being shown in the US, its the editing that some sponsors do and mostly the voice actors they use for dubbing, there's been perfectly good anime shown in the US.

THANK YOU! I've been debating this with other seemingly backwards anime fans for years. Some dubs are good some actors that they hire are wonderful. Sure there's some crap actors and annoying voices but no more than there are in the japanese dubs either. The other thing I just plain don't understand is when people comment saying that the English audio track is cheesy to a cheesy show while the Japanese is totally not. I'm pretty sure cheese and camp crosses linguistic borders. Just cause you don't understand what they are saying doesn't make the subtitles you're reading from the OFFICIAL TRANSLATION EITHER IN JAPANESE OR ENGLISH ANY LESS CHEESY!

You haven't seen any thing yet because naruto shippuden will be airing on DIZNEE pretty soon.

Sure they are overrated and dead, but they are the gateways to the anime world. You can't really blame them for that. They think it's cool and it's the only cool animated thing with story that they've ever seen. Once they start getting more into it, they might find that it's not the only show and mellow out. Or they'll become a rabid-fan and God Knows we hate that.

Of course, I do feel disgust when I see Naruto everywhere. But maybe it's because I want more variaty. Maybe, just maybe, if there were more anime on TV, all the shows might be able to balance each other out so that Naruto may be popular but not so popular. I mean, look at Japan.

Anyone, looking to get that LovePlus game?

LoL........

Animes being dubbed in English is like CSI being dubbed into Japanese

They become jokes XD

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The GiTS dub was so good its the standard edition on the DVD's in Japan. The El Hazard dub was so good. Its considered the CANON voices in Japan.

Just because 90% of all English dubs suck in America, does not mean ALL of it sucks. 90% of everything sucks in America...get used to it.