The Moral thing to do ~ Abortion

Sorry I don't really feel like going through all the past pages to see if there is already a thread for this.

Recently I found out my cousin was pregnant and she ended up having an abortion. I don't think its the right thing to do. I don't think its fair to the unborn child. In spite of my moral beliefs I still believe in Pro Choice.

Its a woman's choice to keep the baby. There are many other things that could have been done.

Though child birth is painful and being a man i will never know that kind of pain.

Now a days people see abortion as the easy way out. They can have sex as much as they like, and they don't have to deal with the consequences.

A friend of mine is Extremely Pro Life. The way he goes about explaining his point pisses me off. I mean I understand him but I don't see it as being ok the way he says "It should be OK if the woman was raped or something but just because they cant keep their pants on they are going waste a life."

I get it, I really do. Still I don't think its right to subject people to such cruelty as to shun them for their choices. Thats how we get suicides or mass murderers.

I mean I am a hypocrite at times. I may say "outlandish" things when I "lose" myself. I don't mean it but i still do it, its Human Nature. I used to call the cheerleaders of the my high school "sluts". I really didn't mean it but thats just how it was.

(funny thing is, my mother apparently was a cheerleader here in Hawaii and my dad was once a football player.)

Consensual: When it comes to other people, I have no stake in the outcome,so what they do is their choice, and their choice alone. No one should have any right to tell them what to do under any circumstances.

Rape: I believe it is up to the mother to make this choice. I personally would not want to keep an illegitimate child who would never know his father, and could not be there help raise the child. (male here)

Yes, bearing a child is painful. That shouldn't be why they choose to abort, though. You have to think about you will handle the abortion emotionally, mentally, and financially. Or how you will raise the child, what kind of environment it will be in, how well you can provide for it.

People who are too radical about things usually haven't had to go through these types of situations, I think. If they'd take some time to understand what needs to be gone through, I think they'd lessen the hate and bigotry against people who actually have to make the choice.

The way you think about it is just like me.

One thing which sets me off is.

A guy I know has a girlfriend, underaged mind you by 3 years. The guy is 19. The parents know about it. The guys thinks that since they are dating he doesnt have to use a condom. The guys an idiot and doesnt really have morals. One time he stole a moped and then the moped got stolen... He go pissed saying "Why they got to steal for?" What Im trying to get at is...

Maybe stupid people really shouldnt have kids...

I really, honestly believe you're killing someone with an abortion, but I still think it's fucking stupid to bear a child when you aren't properly prepared to raise them. Pro-choice.

I'm Pro Choice. I've got my own opinions on the matter, but considering I'm not a woman and I don't currently have any intentions of impregnating one I don't really care. What a woman does with her body is her own choice as far as I'm concerned.

I'm Pro-Death. I think you should have your to be child thing forcibly aborted if you can't prove you will be a decent parent. Ok maybe not anything quite so drastic but there are way too many people as is and way too many of those are fucked up or starving. People die all the time for worse reasons than because their parents think they will end up having a shitty life if they live and the earth can't even really support the number of people on it right now. Also forcing people to have children they don't want is fucked up.

@Renovartio: It was the right thing for her to do. If she doesn't want the kid it would have lived a very fucked up life (or at least not as good a one as a child she actually wanted to have). Also calling abortions the easy way out...I don't even know where to begin with that. What do you think of condoms then? Preemptively cheating God out of his well deserved spawn? Have you gone through the process to get an abortion or had to make the choice to do so? If so I don't think the word easy would come to mind so readily.

You also don't mention if you're religious in any way (I'm not going to go searching for threads where you may or may not have posted to go find out) and that's pretty much the only decent excuse for thinking of life that isn't alive yet as "sacred". And by decent I mean accepted by a large amount of people. For me that's still just bs. If I had a friend spout pro-life crap to me I'd punch him in the face every day telling him that I'm Pro-Punchyouintheface and that's it's immoral to deny a punch the chance to exist just because the punch is unnecessary, unwanted, and hurts my fist in addition to hurting his face.

What two of you are talking about is the morality of the people involved and their actions before what you actually created this topic for, which is the morality of choosing to kill someone unborn.

It isn't our choice who does and doesn't have kids, and to think that you have the right to choose what their actions are or insinuate that you think you know better than they is almost worse than actually giving people the right to choose how they act. Your wish to impose your morals on another human being is great and all, and I can see how you'd think you were trying to help, but there are people who think you are downright disgusting for telling other people what to do.

I also think pro/anti abortion threads are over done, I've seen more than one in Fakku.

I am not really religious. Well I'm not a radical in anyway. I'm down the middle in opinion in the ways i see things. I tend to see the big picture and see things in all the ways possible. Now Im suppose to be a catholic, suppose to be anyway. I got my own beliefs.

Im not trying to impose my ideals on other people. I just want to get my point across. Im not trying to tell people what to do. I just wanted to discuss and see what other people thought on the subject.

I see what Ramsus is trying to say. Why would you bring a child into the world who would never know his/her parents. This was the point I was trying to get across with my friend. We actually argued for 2 hours. Though all he did was bad mouth people who had abortion and i was saying that what he was saying was rude and disrespectful.

I'm a religious kinna guys so i think abortion is not a right thing to do.

I don't think it's anybody's buisness but the people directly involved. meaning the mother and father(mostly the mother). and before someone cries about the unborn life that is destroyed or how ever you phrase it to try and evoke simpathy, if you're reasons are religious, i suspect you are just jealous it got a short cut to 'heaven'. and to say something against abortion on a site pretty much made for masterbation, consider this; every sperm that gets set loose, is an ultra early abortion, so that makes you a hypocrit(if you're male).

I don't care. Really. It's none of my concern, and really it's the parents call. Why should my opinion matter compared to theirs?

I've seen bumper stickers that said "What if we aborted the cure for AIDS"

Shit can get twisted around. What if we aborted someone who was going to be a serial killer?

It's all situational, leave it to the parents, and fuck everyone else, not their business.

No. It is not considered an abortion. You do realize how many sperm gets destroyed in the attempt for pregnancy? The sperm is nothing more than a set of specialized cells. It can only be considered an abortion after an egg and sperm have met to create embryo. The only difference between sperm and other cells in your body is the job it was designed for. Nothing more.



Some people don't have a choice in the matter. Pregnancy can be the result of a rape. Some rape victims don't want to keep the baby because it reminds them of what happened to them. You can't simply lump all pregnancy's together. The situation in which they got pregnant matters greatly.



With that said, I'm pro-choice. But I never understood why people felt their opinions matter in such a personal situation. Having a child is heavy drain on the parents. Unless you have had a child before, you won't understand until you do.

I'm not going to bother commenting on whether abortion is right o4 wrong. Too many factors and arguments to be had there.

Fun fact: about 1/3 of natural pregnancies ends in miscarriage or the girl won't even notice it as the zygote fails to properly adhere to the wall of the uterus.

So apparently God has some invisible scheme, where a great bunch of kids need to die before they're even born (and since they might have been conceived in sin they go straight to Hell) or God doesn't give a shit about a bunch of cells and to have a soul you need a mind of your own for it to reside in...

...or there's no God, what we call a soul is actually the program running on the hardware called the mind (with instinct and several unconscious subsystem being your OS) so only a developed mind can be called a human.

I'm an atheist, so I go with the last option, but first two options should give some pause to those who oppose abortion on religious grounds.

@loller:

i was(badly) refering to the catholic churh's stance. masterbation is a sin, because the sperm is ment ONLY for procreation. i was told this by my embaressed, and very annoyed, Catechism* teacher. and now that i think of it, each egg that is unfertalised is also an abortion of sorts. understand that i'm speaking in broad philisophical term.

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Pro-Choice here. I think it's up to the parents to decide what to do with their own child, for better or for worse.

A friend once told me this, "There's really no such thing as right or wrong, an action is right if majority of the masses are content of the action taken in the situation."

I also agree to what my friend said, but sometimes there are also cases that there is no such thing as right or wrong, just what action would give the least amount of burden to the person

I'm pro choice, opinion about abortion...a dude should use a condom or the girl taking pills to avoid abortion. Why face the problem when it can be prevented? No offense to religious people but to hell about giving birth, what good is giving birth if the child is unwanted?

I am pro-choice, but Ramsus actually put it even more precisely: I am pro-death.

Pro-choice: I am all for the womans right to choose to abort a pregnancy for what ever reason she finds reasonably (even if the reason is moronic, as I do not believe in bringing unwanted children into this world)

Pro-death, the right to force someone to have an abortion. reasons:
1. we have a massive problem with over population because we bread to fast and our medicine is extremely effective compared to 200+ years ago so we get much older.
2. there are many places in the world where the children will be born to a life of suffering, often with deceases like HIV to further lessen the quality of life.
3. There should be like a minimum requirement to become a parent, I do not know if that should be a test or a psych evaluation, but considering how thoroughly people are checked when adopting, then natural parents should at least fulfill some minimum requirements so we avoid at least some of the bad parents.

I know my opinion is too extreme for many people, so by all means feel free to criticizes, but I won't change my mind. At most I might be a bit more precise if I have been to general in some of my formulations

I'm Pro Life and I don't think abortion is right but with that said. If thw woman is raped or traumatized in anyway by the child being there in her stomach she should get an abortion no doubt but if its consensual then abortion is a no go for me.