The Moral thing to do ~ Abortion
So are you Pro Life or Pro Choice?
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Vio wrote...
I do agree that if a mother is physically able to carry the child of a rapist, it would be better not to waste its life. It would be ideal to give it up for adoption. However, I can't imagine the psychological impact that delivering that child would have on the mother. :( She's obviously going to get pretty round. She'll have to tell her family, friends, coworkers, lover something. Maybe she'll tell them the truth and have everyone feel sorry for her and talk behind her back. Or she might lie and say the baby was planned, that her boyfriend is the father, etc. Many rape victims feel deeply ashamed about what happened to them, or they blame it on themselves, or they live in a society where the raped is more at fault than the rapist.
On the other hand, abortion has negative psychological effects too. Aaah, no win situation!
Also, here's another unrelated thing to throw out there: I have a history of diabetes in my family. My mother had diabetes for many years, and her disease was affected by her three pregnancies. When she was pregnant with me (I'm the eldest), the diabetes she'd had for years went in remission. When she had my sister, it came back. When she had my brother, it disappeared again and has stayed gone for ~12 years. This makes me wonder... I'm healthy now. If I were to get pregnant, would I develop diabetes? (I'm not sure on the exact workings of this, so forgive me if I'm missing some big thing.) Bottom line is: Would you carry a baby if it meant giving up your own health? I'm not sure I'd even want to have a planned pregnancy if it meant suffering from diabetes. :\
About 127,000 kids are adopted ever year in the US. US also have 1.3 million abortions a year. There's a big difference in the number. There are probably a lot of kids who are in those adoption homes wanting to be adopted. Some of those children who may have been taken care by parents who never wanted a child in the first place may end up becoming criminals in the future.
Some say abortion is taking responsibility, but do you remember the movie Juno? She had gave the child up to a girl who really wanted the baby even though in the early part of the movie she was planning to have an abortion. Now even if people were looking at her weirdly or whatsoever, she still decided to tell her parents the truth and come clean. She had given up the baby, but she did what was best since at her age she would not be able to take care of that child.
Some of those people who are requesting for abortion are reckless teenagers. Do you think they will be able to keep themselves healthy though out the whole pregnancy?
Some women are willing to give up their health for a baby, but not all I suppose. It's a hard choice to make, unless you are a very loving mother.
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Kyuubi Fury wrote...
I feel like if your responsible enough to have sex, your responsible enough to have a child. But I do believe that if you were raped, then you have a liable excuse.Well, that's a little cut-throat way of thinking about it.
Doing the dirty and taking care of another living being that is solely dependent on you for money to provide for the next 18 years is a little different, hmm?
Kuroneko1/2 wrote...
Akaoni21 wrote...
Some people are just scum who dont care about their bodies or about the life that they carry within themselves and those people who do the QUIKFIT "Oh im pregnant again better abort this motherfucker" thing are just cheap and I dont like their way of living or their way of thinking about life.I just can't wrap my head around this. Do people actually think this way? Do some people abort just because it's "cheap"?
I'm sure there are SOME people who do, but I doubt the majority of women who get abortions are like, "Well, shit! I got preggers again. Better go to the doctor so they can cut me up and get this fucker outta there! :D"
Oh and @Akaoni21, I agree that people who use abortion as a form of birth control are not great people, but it seems to me like you were categorizing a large portion of women, and that's wrong.
@Topic: Pro-choice, definitely.
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If it's about philosophies, most people might think abortion is one of the worst.. But to me, it doesn't really matter... If it's done by 2 lovers, then it's a NO for me... It's like dude, you hooked it, do your damn responsibility... But if it's from a victim, then YES!
Why? Never underestimate the burdens you'll have in having a child! Within this debate, there's always this thin line, "Birth", practically a gigantic event to anyone's life! & don't give me the hypocritical "thou shall not kill"! If you don't give the victim a choice, it's most likely that her whole life would be worse than a nightmare! Wake up to reality, life is never that easy!
If all life is sacred, then is Hitler divine? Can you say someone like him is a blessing to anyone? Responsibility lies on those who did it, not on those who didn't!
Why? Never underestimate the burdens you'll have in having a child! Within this debate, there's always this thin line, "Birth", practically a gigantic event to anyone's life! & don't give me the hypocritical "thou shall not kill"! If you don't give the victim a choice, it's most likely that her whole life would be worse than a nightmare! Wake up to reality, life is never that easy!
If all life is sacred, then is Hitler divine? Can you say someone like him is a blessing to anyone? Responsibility lies on those who did it, not on those who didn't!
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I don't really get most of you people. In my eyes the problem is pretty black and white. Either you consider it murder, and ending someones life because you just feel like it or because it isn't the best life in the world doesn't really qualify as a good, perfectly normal and acceptable reason to kill someone for most people. Or alternatively you don't consider it murder and sees no problem with abortion apart from the very small health risk which comes with all surgical procedures and that some people are idiots for not using condoms.
Now if go on abortion is murder track and the mother's life for some reason would get lot worse from having a kid (for whatever reason, rape or whatnot), then we're basically asking ourselves if it's alright to kill people to maintain or improve our quality of life, or am I wrong?
Now if go on abortion is murder track and the mother's life for some reason would get lot worse from having a kid (for whatever reason, rape or whatnot), then we're basically asking ourselves if it's alright to kill people to maintain or improve our quality of life, or am I wrong?
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Koyori wrote...
Now if go on abortion is murder track and the mother's life for some reason would get lot worse from having a kid (for whatever reason, rape or whatnot), then we're basically asking ourselves if it's alright to kill people to maintain or improve our quality of life, or am I wrong?The Pro-choice group doesn't see the zygote, embryo, fetus isn't a "legal person" which means it isn't entitled to the protections of the law. It has to do with the definition of what is "human" and what is a "legal person". While the embryo may be "human (homo sapien) it isn't a "legal person" until it is outside the womb and breathing. In a nutshell, the embryo/fetus is no more important than your tonsils and we don't charge people with murder for having their tonsils removed because "it's just a lump of cells".
The pro-life argument is that the zygote. embryo or fetus will grow into a "legal person" or by simply being human to begin with it deserves protection. They see the changes from Zygote to infant as the same as an infant growing to an adult. They also like to draw on "the moral obligation for government to protect those who can not protect themselves". I've heard arguments over "brain activity" that compare a fetus to a comatose person (I won't even begin to try and repeat the argument as I'll butcher it and the precise wording is the key to the argument).
The pro-choice never see it as murder and that abortion is no more important than removing your tonsils. Pro-lifers see pro-choicers as saying "My convenience is more important than the potential life".
To directly answer the quoted section; the pro-life crowd sees it pretty much like that. Abortion is justifying killing one member of society for the benefit of another.
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I'm pretty much pro life if you get knocked up then you gotta deal with it (I'm female so I include myself in this)
There are so many things you can do to prevent yourself getting pregnant. Condoms the mini pill, implant, injection, not sexing it up.
Plus there is the morning after pill for if you have a splittage or are sick or whatever.
With regards to Rape I would of thought the police (who if i was raped I'd go straight to) would supply you with the medical care that you need to prevent a pregnancy. but as life is never so simple then if needs be get an abortion AS SOON AS POSSIBLE the longer you leave it the closer it is to murder.
If its for medical reasons then you probably should not be having kids anyway and things like optic pregnacies can be spotted pretty early on.
I dunno thats just what I think and what I would like to think I would do if I was in that situaton but I can only really speak for and judge me.
Simple answer its up to the individual
What irks me more is kids who pop out a sprog so they can go on benifits surely that is a worse crime than abortion??
There are so many things you can do to prevent yourself getting pregnant. Condoms the mini pill, implant, injection, not sexing it up.
Plus there is the morning after pill for if you have a splittage or are sick or whatever.
With regards to Rape I would of thought the police (who if i was raped I'd go straight to) would supply you with the medical care that you need to prevent a pregnancy. but as life is never so simple then if needs be get an abortion AS SOON AS POSSIBLE the longer you leave it the closer it is to murder.
If its for medical reasons then you probably should not be having kids anyway and things like optic pregnacies can be spotted pretty early on.
I dunno thats just what I think and what I would like to think I would do if I was in that situaton but I can only really speak for and judge me.
Simple answer its up to the individual
What irks me more is kids who pop out a sprog so they can go on benifits surely that is a worse crime than abortion??
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Flaser
OCD Hentai Collector
Here is a question toe the Pro-Life party:
Since there will be a bunch of unwanted children in the country thanks to anti-abortion regulation, how much are you willing to pay to have them fed, educated and raised?
The dismal thing is, most of these Christian conservatives while stoutly proclaiming and demanding anti-abortion regulation are unwilling to spend so much as a cent on the children themselves.
That's neocon through and through: protect the unborn, kill the living.
Since there will be a bunch of unwanted children in the country thanks to anti-abortion regulation, how much are you willing to pay to have them fed, educated and raised?
The dismal thing is, most of these Christian conservatives while stoutly proclaiming and demanding anti-abortion regulation are unwilling to spend so much as a cent on the children themselves.
That's neocon through and through: protect the unborn, kill the living.
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Flaser wrote...
Here is a question toe the Pro-Life party:Since there will be a bunch of unwanted children in the country thanks to anti-abortion regulation, how much are you willing to pay to have them fed, educated and raised?
The dismal thing is, most of these Christian conservatives while stoutly proclaiming and demanding anti-abortion regulation are unwilling to spend so much as a cent on the children themselves.
That's neocon through and through: protect the unborn, kill the living.
Christian conservatives think that if you aren't capable of handling the responsibility of children you shouldn't be having sex in the first place. Since babies are the result of sex. It's kind of the reason we have it in the first place, biologically speaking of course.
Anyways, I'd pay some extra taxes to help those thrown into the adoption mess (state taxes, not federal). The feds are too removed from the situation to manage it effectively.
For the Neocons and most conservatives in general. They protect the unborn because it committed not crime and has done nothing to deserve death. While the living have committed a crime (speaking about the death penalty). Unless one wants to claim that conception is the crime but, those are usually left/right party extremists.
