[Locked] The reason I'm not an athiest.
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I don't really have time to respond to all of that, one thing I'd just like to point out is that all modern Christianity is an adaption of Catholicism. Which you'll probably try to deny, but you can't, since you would have to deny a large portion of the Bible in order to do so.
Jesus of Nazareth has some pretty groovy ideas and all, but no Christian lives their lives according to just that.
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Boroko wrote...
Do you mean miracles are some kinda magic force/god power? I rather call it luck. Because miracles often is some power one help you. Like i have a friend that blame god for a friend survive an illness(miracles). And it sounds like "miracles" are stealing the achievement the doctor did do under the operation. Can we just say that we humans are it own success. And sometime we do something that just did so we survive that car accident.I didn't give any definition of miracles. I just stated what most people call miracles is not discriminatory to the worship or lack of worship of those concerned. For what I'd say even animals experience what most people name miracles. I personally doubt faith is anyway involved in that sort of phenomenons, and supernaturals forces probably aren't neither. I suppose we just lack the understanding of the biological/physical/chemical processes.
GameON wrote...
"What is good or evil? How can God pass judgment on those who are evil, when its not God that has decided what is good or evil but society itself?"I ask you, how can God pass judgment on criminals when it is society that has labeled them "criminals" not God.
Was my point, good or evil is a human consideration. There is no such good or evil in instincts. Nevertheless instinctive choices are not always the best choices as instincts are not designed to solve complicated problems we encounter in our (annoyingly?) sophisticated modern society.
Hinata`s Pimp AKA lil`Von wrote...
Well im not an athiest im a southern babtist christian, bum bum bum buuuuuuum!!!(not a very good one,but at least im not jehovahs witness lulz) any way the only reason i beleive is because thats how i was raised and beleving isnt going to hurt me right? if theres nothing afterdeath than hey it doesnt matter right. but if haven hell pergutorty and all that good shit really does exist than ill be better off than you athiest lulz.
If you chose the wrong religion and afterlife is ruled by the god(s) of any religion previously persecuted by catholics you're in much more troubles than atheists.
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Christianity has changed in the last 100 years. It has gone from science vs God to more of how God exists in science.
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first of all, hello everyone at FAKKU :), this is my first post here and i hope it´s not the last one :(
back to the topic: first of all, i'm not an athiest. I believe that "god" (or some other superior being) exist, but i don't support any religion.
in my opinion, religions intimidates me a little because the effect that could cause
in the people.
For example: the mayans and aztecs sacrifice countless people in the name of their gods. the catholic church itself killed thousands of "heretics" in the dark ages because they were against the "word of god", and the islam insentives it's followers to bring a holy war to the no believers (although this is because of a missunderstanding on a verse in the coran)
but that doesn't mean i hate religion, because they really helps people when they need some spiritual guidance, but some of them just can't live out of what his religion says turning them into zealots who can do whatever his/her god tells them
long story short: i believe in god, but i don't need to follow any religion to know that some superior being exist
PD: sorry for the crappy english, because it's not my native language ;), and by the same i can justify about the fanatism of the people to their religion, because my country is very (VERY) catholic and i've see what people can become following a religon like blind zealots (spooky) :)
back to the topic: first of all, i'm not an athiest. I believe that "god" (or some other superior being) exist, but i don't support any religion.
in my opinion, religions intimidates me a little because the effect that could cause
in the people.
For example: the mayans and aztecs sacrifice countless people in the name of their gods. the catholic church itself killed thousands of "heretics" in the dark ages because they were against the "word of god", and the islam insentives it's followers to bring a holy war to the no believers (although this is because of a missunderstanding on a verse in the coran)
but that doesn't mean i hate religion, because they really helps people when they need some spiritual guidance, but some of them just can't live out of what his religion says turning them into zealots who can do whatever his/her god tells them
long story short: i believe in god, but i don't need to follow any religion to know that some superior being exist
PD: sorry for the crappy english, because it's not my native language ;), and by the same i can justify about the fanatism of the people to their religion, because my country is very (VERY) catholic and i've see what people can become following a religon like blind zealots (spooky) :)
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acron trust me those that yu are seein are fanatcs just that more hot air than faith. I too GREATLY DISAPPROVE of Catholicism and its codes and all its bullshit. don't give up on faith, God or religion. Try just Christianity. and by the way all Christianity is when you look at it in the simplest is accepting that you have fault and need God to fix them and having faith that he will take(remove the sin from you) care of them and reward that faith with perfection and eternal life.
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Alright. I guess I would have to say I really just don't care. Because if you go back to the beginning there is always SOME sort of infinite existence. One thing has existed forever. Be it God or an atom it's been there since the unfathomable beginning of time, which in itself contradicts the idea of infinity, and that's all I need to know.
I'm here.
You're here.
Deal with it.
As for what happens after we die, (i.e. the reason religion exists), I've come to terms with the fact that there is NOTHING and I mean ABSOLUTELY NOTHING after you die. No more you. No more thought. Nothing. I think therefore I am. I am not, therefore I do not think. While simple, it's still horribly difficult to wrap you're mind around the fact that something can end completely because we have memories. Despite something being no more, we remember them and thus they live on in our thoughts. But the thought of not having thoughts...is hard to think about.
I guess that last paragraph was a little redundant...>.>
I'm here.
You're here.
Deal with it.
As for what happens after we die, (i.e. the reason religion exists), I've come to terms with the fact that there is NOTHING and I mean ABSOLUTELY NOTHING after you die. No more you. No more thought. Nothing. I think therefore I am. I am not, therefore I do not think. While simple, it's still horribly difficult to wrap you're mind around the fact that something can end completely because we have memories. Despite something being no more, we remember them and thus they live on in our thoughts. But the thought of not having thoughts...is hard to think about.
I guess that last paragraph was a little redundant...>.>
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lol I have lot of mixed beliefs but all and all umm I believe in The Lifestream XD and I also believe that theirs some sort of higher power and it wants us to be happy and to live life well ^^ simple but ah wells I'm mostly spiritual than religious like I actually kinda believe in ghosts and that the afterlife is what we want it too be ^_^ optimistic that I am.
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Carthagian wrote...
acron trust me those that yu are seein are fanatcs just that more hot air than faith. I too GREATLY DISAPPROVE of Catholicism and its codes and all its bullshit. don't give up on faith, God or religion. Try just Christianity. and by the way all Christianity is when you look at it in the simplest is accepting that you have fault and need God to fix them and having faith that he will take(remove the sin from you) care of them and reward that faith with perfection and eternal life.Or he could try atheism or at least stay agnostic and not define himself by his believe in one thing.
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Jericho Antares
FAKKU Writer
I believe that modern religions were founded upon the thoughts that people should lead better quality lives, and then the very people that the God in these religions would smite noticed that the system could be exploited and did so, twisting it.
For example, the Romans became dominantly Christian because captured Christians refused to fight in the Colosseum and instead let themselves get gutted because someone told them they'd go somewhere nice. It is the very fanaticism people in religion say ruins it that started it. I doubt many modern Christians would let themselves get mauled by a lion.
For example, the Romans became dominantly Christian because captured Christians refused to fight in the Colosseum and instead let themselves get gutted because someone told them they'd go somewhere nice. It is the very fanaticism people in religion say ruins it that started it. I doubt many modern Christians would let themselves get mauled by a lion.
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The christian's didn't refuse to fight in the colosseum, they just got slaughtered because they were playing with a loaded deck. They were a persecuted cult that people didn't care about, so they slaughtered them as entertainment.
The reason Rome converted is because Emperor Constantine was going to a battle he knew he couldn't win, but he listened to a couple of christian guys who said to paint a cross on each soilder's shield. Then before the battle, Constantine wrote in his journal that a giant star shined in the shape of a cross before the battle. The Romans won that battle and gave God the credit. Constantine then did a bunch of thing to make christianity a respected and official religion of Rome, built the big churches in cities like Constanople (now modern day Istanbul). However, even while doing all these pro-christian acts, such as stopping the death matches at Colessuems, Constantine himself never converted to Christianity.
However, the story of Muhammad, the islamic prophet, is also similar. He had fought with people who were of pagan and polythic beliefs for a while. Eventually all his enemies gathered and attacked him. His force of 1,000 men defeated the enemey force 10 times their size, thus legitimizing his claim to be a prophet. He made islam the law of the land, and only people who worshipped one god (jews, christians) were not forcefully coverted.
The reason Rome converted is because Emperor Constantine was going to a battle he knew he couldn't win, but he listened to a couple of christian guys who said to paint a cross on each soilder's shield. Then before the battle, Constantine wrote in his journal that a giant star shined in the shape of a cross before the battle. The Romans won that battle and gave God the credit. Constantine then did a bunch of thing to make christianity a respected and official religion of Rome, built the big churches in cities like Constanople (now modern day Istanbul). However, even while doing all these pro-christian acts, such as stopping the death matches at Colessuems, Constantine himself never converted to Christianity.
However, the story of Muhammad, the islamic prophet, is also similar. He had fought with people who were of pagan and polythic beliefs for a while. Eventually all his enemies gathered and attacked him. His force of 1,000 men defeated the enemey force 10 times their size, thus legitimizing his claim to be a prophet. He made islam the law of the land, and only people who worshipped one god (jews, christians) were not forcefully coverted.
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La_Mangouste wrote...
I didn't give any definition of miracles. I just stated what most people call miracles is not discriminatory to the worship or lack of worship of those concerned. For what I'd say even animals experience what most people name miracles. I personally doubt faith is anyway involved in that sort of phenomenons, and supernaturals forces probably aren't neither. I suppose we just lack the understanding of the biological/physical/chemical processes.
Okay.... Sorry then. Most of my post was that i want to explaining my tough of people believe in miracles.
God91125 wrote...
I also believe that theirs some sort of higher power and it wants us to be happy and to live life well ^^I just want to quote this phrase. If there where a higher power that wants us to live happy he is ether: Blind, evil ore lost control.
But God91125 and other. In my sight i don't care if you believe what so ever...as long i can live with my non believe. I think that is most of the atheist also think. But i like to discus this like places like this :D So let go further with the words
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Boroko wrote...
La_Mangouste wrote...
I didn't give any definition of miracles. I just stated what most people call miracles is not discriminatory to the worship or lack of worship of those concerned. For what I'd say even animals experience what most people name miracles. I personally doubt faith is anyway involved in that sort of phenomenons, and supernaturals forces probably aren't neither. I suppose we just lack the understanding of the biological/physical/chemical processes.
Okay.... Sorry then. Most of my post was that i want to explaining my tough of people believe in miracles.
God91125 wrote...
I also believe that theirs some sort of higher power and it wants us to be happy and to live life well ^^I just want to quote this phrase. If there where a higher power that wants us to live happy he is ether: Blind, evil ore lost control.
But God91125 and other. In my sight i don't care if you believe what so ever...as long i can live with my non believe. I think that is most of the atheist also think. But i like to discus this like places like this :D So let go further with the words
Hahaha in some cases I also believe that that higher power might be evil aswell 0-0 I really don't take religion too seriously and sorry if my user name offends anyone XD made it as a gamertag for xbox live and the rest is history. XD I wish the world didn't have all the pressure to believe in something :/ I mean come on I played FFVII and I choose The Lifestream!
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i emplore all of you whether athiest or not to please not look at God as evil. and see that it is our own fault that has cuased this great choas now a days. but also see that God is no minor being or weak. he is POWERFUL. And also that when god blesses nations or people unbelievers recieve part of that blessing as way of association with believers. say a believer gets a huge growth of crops. Pagans and the like share in that by association. but alos know that God despises and yet cares deeply about those who do not believe in him. Despise at their ignorance and true deep hurt in that their is nothing he can do for them if they do not see him. not that he can't but shall not...as a show of power to the unbelieving is the same as giving pity upon animals...pointless.
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mibuchiha
Fakku Elder
Carthagian wrote...
i emplore all of you whether athiest or not to please not look at God as evil. and see that it is our own fault that has cuased this great choas now a days. but also see that God is no minor being or weak. he is POWERFUL. And also that when god blesses nations or people unbelievers recieve part of that blessing as way of association with believers. say a believer gets a huge growth of crops. Pagans and the like share in that by association. but alos know that God despises and yet cares deeply about those who do not believe in him. Despise at their ignorance and true deep hurt in that their is nothing he can do for them if they do not see him. not that he can't but shall not...as a show of power to the unbelieving is the same as giving pity upon animals...pointless.It was hard, but I managed to read it all....
Also I find it amazing that to you, the statement that "God exists" is simply true with no need for justification. An axiom, huh?
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100%. I've seen things happen that are mathematical impossiblities and things that have shook me to my core. not only that but do u have any idea just how much of a mathematical impossiblility we are in of our selves! Not even 999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999 years could so much as possibly yield a simple protein chain of which we are made up of(trillions by the way) so yes without a shadow of a doubt. not to mention things are just too orderly to have happened by chance and the intricacy is far too complex(which is a showing of How truly incredible He is!
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I'm sorry, but it only took roughly 4.5 billion years to get where we are, not 999whatever stupid number you put up. Nothing is impossible, only improbable. Also, in no way are the events that happened "orderly". It only seems that way because we observed them that way. The universe is pretty damn chaotic. If the chain of events hadn't happened the way they had, we simply wouldn't be here. Or maybe we'd have been a younger species. Or older. Maybe C H O N wouldn't have been our primary biological make up. The point is, evolution took a foothold on this planet; and through a series of mishaps, we came out of it all. Woot! Go us.
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mibuchiha
Fakku Elder
Carthagian wrote...
100%. I've seen things happen that are mathematical impossiblities and things that have shook me to my core. not only that but do u have any idea just how much of a mathematical impossiblility we are in of our selves! Not even 999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999 years could so much as possibly yield a simple protein chain of which we are made up of(trillions by the way) so yes without a shadow of a doubt. not to mention things are just too orderly to have happened by chance and the intricacy is far too complex(which is a showing of How truly incredible He is!Ummm....you really haven't heard of what they call natural selection, do you? I lol'd to see someone still using the design vs chance today...
Btw....those chains of 9s...where do you get that? Some new game hp limit?
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Yeah I read that mathmatically the odds of mankind being made from tiny organisms is so outrageously small that it was virtually impossible. It had something to do with it being .0 ............9 beinging equal to the number zero, just like .9 infinite is actually equal to the number 1. Google it if you don't believe me, the number .999999999999999999999 forever continuing is equal to the number 1.
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Space Cowboy wrote...
I'm sorry, but it only took roughly 4.5 billion years to get where we are, not 999whatever stupid number you put up. Nothing is impossible, only improbable. Also, in no way are the events that happened "orderly". It only seems that way because we observed them that way. The universe is pretty damn chaotic. If the chain of events hadn't happened the way they had, we simply wouldn't be here. Or maybe we'd have been a younger species. Or older. Maybe C H O N wouldn't have been our primary biological make up. The point is, evolution took a foothold on this planet; and through a series of mishaps, we came out of it all. Woot! Go us.I'd like to add that irreducible complexity is a crock of shit, and Michael Behe can fuck himself.
The position our friend Carthagian here is taking is, unfortunately, all too common among Christians. It doesn't hold up at all, however, to that whole science thing, so I'm not too worried about it, outside of the fact that it means such a large number of otherwise intelligent people still deny evolution being a fact. There is more scientific evidence to support evolution than there is to support GRAVITY, yet 2/3 of adults in the US do not believe it, because of religion.
You cannot prove that God exists. And really, you shouldn't want to. God only works in a faith-based system. You remove the need for faith, you remove any reason for having a God.
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mibuchiha
Fakku Elder
Oh well...at least I've seen funnier attempts of using numbers to prove the existence of God....lemme give one interesting article....that tops my "great proofs" list.
Ah, this is coming from Dr Zakir Naik, btw.
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Ah, this is coming from Dr Zakir Naik, btw.