War on America
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say what! wrote...
Akaoni21 wrote...
Its totally possible, First off you need to land a nuclear first strike on America knocking out every strategic military target before America can get its act together. (Hopefully you can really catch them with their pants down)Granted America will strike back to some degree and probably fuck up all Eastern Asia (Maybe the entire World) but who said you wouldn't get a bit dinged up.
Now you need to nuke some cities, Just keep pounding America all the time making it into a radioactive desert then after like 100 years (Maybe) you can send in the troops (Execution squads) and mop up any remaining life.
The World is COMPLETELY fucked... Now bask in your glorious victory! :D
No one will land a nuclear strike on the US because the US is a NATO member and no one will risk a nuclear war with the US. If any country uses nuclear weapons without a just reason then they will be enemies of NATO
just stfu please. NATO isn't shit, Google has more power than them.
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That would never happen for a foreign country to invade the US, even if the US forgets it's debt duties with China and this allied with russia and the koreas they still have to cross the pacific ocean, they still have to fight in Hawaii, and if they want land and infrastructure thay can't nuke main land so, from my point of view it isn't happennning and no military force has the resources to even try it.
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Is not impossible to invade the U.S. If some countries formed an allingence it would be very possible.
There´s another thing called ONU Mr. say what!. NATO is nothing compared to them.
There´s another thing called ONU Mr. say what!. NATO is nothing compared to them.
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Speaking as an American, it would be practically impossible to conquer the entire country if it was simply mano y mano. Even China, with it's 4.5M man Army, would likely find itself stopped near the Midwest. Military conscription would be brought back so fast that we would easily multiply our current active duty forces by at least 4 times. Add that on top of the so called 'gun toting patriots' (I like to call them paranoid gun maniacs, but whatever) and China will find itself in a very, very ugly war. Guerrilla warfare would quickly become a norm amongst large portions of the civilian populace who didn't get drafted. At this point, it would just be an eternal struggle of wills, because I don't see China giving up at any point in time, and America would nuke parts of it's own country before we let the Chinese keep it.
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its really depends how the war would go , a straight offense on the usa would be a verry bad tacticall call as pointed out on page 1 america "outguns" pritty much everything so , a possible war would have to start with infiltration of tactical points (fun example : chinese restaurants) , taking out as much tactical points as possible , if the government gets taken down over night there wont even be a war , people are sheep in general and will just follow the next big leader.
(hitler is a great example of how easily people fall for propaganda)
tho saying that u'd have to take care of
-the white house
-the pentagon
-all the nuclear facility's
- disable their air/water capability's
thats the only way i see a war against america even having a chance
that ofcourse gets complicated by the fact that
america has spies aswell so such a LARGE scale opperation would have quite a huge chance of getting leaked out way before it got near completion
and ofcourse europe is still in deep debts with america (for the help it gave us during previous world war)
so.. yes its possible but only in theory :)
another theory
on another note: current warefare hardly involves soldiers anymore , its all tactical objectives , if they manage to take out enough airports/land routes etc and isolity areas away from food & gas ... now that would probably make for a short war (just think about new york , blow up bridges and put anti air on the other side of the bridges , the entire population would die in a matter of weeks
(hitler is a great example of how easily people fall for propaganda)
tho saying that u'd have to take care of
-the white house
-the pentagon
-all the nuclear facility's
- disable their air/water capability's
thats the only way i see a war against america even having a chance
that ofcourse gets complicated by the fact that
america has spies aswell so such a LARGE scale opperation would have quite a huge chance of getting leaked out way before it got near completion
and ofcourse europe is still in deep debts with america (for the help it gave us during previous world war)
so.. yes its possible but only in theory :)
another theory
on another note: current warefare hardly involves soldiers anymore , its all tactical objectives , if they manage to take out enough airports/land routes etc and isolity areas away from food & gas ... now that would probably make for a short war (just think about new york , blow up bridges and put anti air on the other side of the bridges , the entire population would die in a matter of weeks
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Kind of Important
A ray of Tsunlight.
Honestly, the first fact you need to consider; in order to invade America, you have to get here first. Not just the Navy, with our Supercarriers, numerous nuclear submarines (Both attack subs, and missile subs) along with Destroyers and the like. You'd also have the Air Force harassing you along the way. Number of soldiers mean nothing on the oceans. It's all about technology, and the ability to project power. There is a reason we dump billions into our military. The Navy especially, having two separate oceans on both sides of the country.
Say you did manage to get here, the logistics would be ridiculous. With the same reasons as above, supplying your military once it got here, would be very difficult, if not impossible.
As stated before, the draft would be brought back up real quick. Hence Selective Service, and why every male that hits 18 has to register with it. (A few exceptions notwithstanding) So you could expect the standing force of the Army and Marine Corps to triple in a matter of months. And that's being conservative. Chances are it wouldn't take even that long.
Not to mention the allies we do have. Canada, Britain, maybe France, etc.
It honestly wouldn't even be worth the attempt to invade us. The odds are stacked against you, and really, what is there to gain from it?
Say you did manage to get here, the logistics would be ridiculous. With the same reasons as above, supplying your military once it got here, would be very difficult, if not impossible.
As stated before, the draft would be brought back up real quick. Hence Selective Service, and why every male that hits 18 has to register with it. (A few exceptions notwithstanding) So you could expect the standing force of the Army and Marine Corps to triple in a matter of months. And that's being conservative. Chances are it wouldn't take even that long.
Not to mention the allies we do have. Canada, Britain, maybe France, etc.
It honestly wouldn't even be worth the attempt to invade us. The odds are stacked against you, and really, what is there to gain from it?
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Ichiban16 wrote...
tazpup wrote...
I believe that one Korean could take on 3 fully armed Americans with a knife and a spoon.Because one is in his machine gun nest while the other two are already behind the poor sap.
Anyway you can't really launch a 'surprise' attack on the US without someone in the Pentagon spotting large troop movements or you know fleets of ships making a b-line to the US.
Unless you've somehow infiltrated the whole of the US government and have control over all the strategic points you won't be attacking the US without a welcoming party of angry Carriers.
Akaoni21 wrote...
Its totally possible, First off you need to land a nuclear first strike on America knocking out every strategic military target before America can get its act together. (Hopefully you can really catch them with their pants down)Granted America will strike back to some degree and probably fuck up all Eastern Asia (Maybe the entire World) but who said you wouldn't get a bit dinged up.
Now you need to nuke some cities, Just keep pounding America all the time making it into a radioactive desert then after like 100 years (Maybe) you can send in the troops (Execution squads) and mop up any remaining life.
The World is COMPLETELY fucked... Now bask in your glorious victory! :D
I don't think you understand how nuclear war works...
just stfu please. NATO isn't shit, Google has more power than them.
NATO ain't shit when it comes to everything else except pandering to US interests so expect them to be front and center when shit hits the fan.
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Thank you for all for helping gather the information needed to (hopefully) shake my friend from this ignorant thought. He is special and like a brother to me, so I must save him from his stupidity, like he often does for me.
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What if the E.U attacked the U.S.
If the EU attacked the U.S together it would be very possible for the U.S to fall. all together the population of Europe is 857 million . that is almost triple the population of the America. the EU is also the closest technologically to America and in this fight you can almost be sure that the large production country (India and China)will want to stay out as Europe is almost as big a consumer as America. It would be in their best interest to feed both party. As for Allies Canada would be stuck between a rock and a hard place not knowing who to go for and all of the South and Central American nations would be stupid not to try to stay out of it.
If the EU attacked the U.S together it would be very possible for the U.S to fall. all together the population of Europe is 857 million . that is almost triple the population of the America. the EU is also the closest technologically to America and in this fight you can almost be sure that the large production country (India and China)will want to stay out as Europe is almost as big a consumer as America. It would be in their best interest to feed both party. As for Allies Canada would be stuck between a rock and a hard place not knowing who to go for and all of the South and Central American nations would be stupid not to try to stay out of it.
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pendragon9123 wrote...
What if the E.U attacked the U.S.If the EU attacked the U.S together it would be very possible for the U.S to fall. all together the population of Europe is 857 million . that is almost triple the population of the America. the EU is also the closest technologically to America and in this fight you can almost be sure that the large production country (India and China)will want to stay out as Europe is almost as big a consumer as America. It would be in their best interest to feed both party. As for Allies Canada would be stuck between a rock and a hard place not knowing who to go for and all of the South and Central American nations would be stupid not to try to stay out of it.
why would EU attack America?
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say what! wrote...
why would EU attack America?It's just a hypothetical question.
If EU attacked America, I think it would be the same as if China tried to do it. As KoI described, crossing an ocean for an invasion is no easy task. Sure they could hopscotch across Iceland and Greenland, but we would still bomb the shit out of the EU as they moved along. The RAF is no longer the #1 Air Force in the world, and the Royal Navy no longer master of the Seven Seas.
Of course I'm sure that eventually EU would reach the coast, but again like KoI said, the logistics of keeping an occupying force from across an ocean would be a nightmare. Any sort of invasion would have to be precluded my preemptive strikes to completely destroy any chance for us to launch an aerial counterattack, and seeing as how EU has no stealth fighters or bombers, we would shoot them down as quickly as they took off.
And then with the Navy. Our subs can go dark for months at a time if they needed to, and then just pop up off in the middle of the English channel like they've been there forever.
But hey, America isn't invincible. We're just ungodly stubborn.
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First off, lets say for some bizarre reason some country tried to attack us.
Second, they miraculously went through the United States Navy, Air Force, Marines through sea and air.
Third, they didnt get attacked by the NATO allies.
Fourth, we didnt retaliate by sending the largest (larger than all countries in the world combined) military might on earth, with threats of nuclear disaster.
Fifth, the attacking nation had the BALLS to ignore nuclear retaliation.
Sixth, back to second.
Seventh, The United States Army didnt mobilized or were immobilized even though EVERY major highway intersection in the country with highways designed to mobilize an Army have an Army base near it. (look it up. There is at least 1 military base in every major highway intersection.)
Eight, almost every citizen in the US have a gun in their home. It is a military NIGHTMARE for them to conquer and even hold a single county.
Ninth, the US is LARGE.
Finally, dont forget that we spent at least a trillion dollars on just military might. We have subs, aircrafts, tanks that are ready to be assembled in a blink. (the military de-assembles the weapons after making them and stores them in the US in case of the above scenario)
Your friend, a korean i presume, is an idiot. And i say this as a korean. The US FEEDS on war. The bigger the conflict, the better we do. The unused factories will be fired up again to power up the old american MUSCLE.
In technicality, the US IS invincible. In a military sense that is.
Second, they miraculously went through the United States Navy, Air Force, Marines through sea and air.
Third, they didnt get attacked by the NATO allies.
Fourth, we didnt retaliate by sending the largest (larger than all countries in the world combined) military might on earth, with threats of nuclear disaster.
Fifth, the attacking nation had the BALLS to ignore nuclear retaliation.
Sixth, back to second.
Seventh, The United States Army didnt mobilized or were immobilized even though EVERY major highway intersection in the country with highways designed to mobilize an Army have an Army base near it. (look it up. There is at least 1 military base in every major highway intersection.)
Eight, almost every citizen in the US have a gun in their home. It is a military NIGHTMARE for them to conquer and even hold a single county.
Ninth, the US is LARGE.
Finally, dont forget that we spent at least a trillion dollars on just military might. We have subs, aircrafts, tanks that are ready to be assembled in a blink. (the military de-assembles the weapons after making them and stores them in the US in case of the above scenario)
Your friend, a korean i presume, is an idiot. And i say this as a korean. The US FEEDS on war. The bigger the conflict, the better we do. The unused factories will be fired up again to power up the old american MUSCLE.
In technicality, the US IS invincible. In a military sense that is.
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America is not going to be defeated by a war. its more likely that America is going to be defeated by more economic means.
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pendragon9123 wrote...
America is not going to be defeated by a war. its more likely that America is going to be defeated by more economic means. Nope because if the US falls economically then a lot of countries would be affected including Europe,China, and Japan. A lot of countries are connected to the US economy so most of the countries would make sure that the US economy does not fall
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That isn't exactly possible. America have certain ways to intercept a nuclear missile. We also spend most of the damn government money on the military so there is a lower standard of education here.
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China has no reason to attack anybody right now since they just kicked off germany from the throne of world-leading exports. also it is the country that is importing most goods at the same time. As somebody mentioned already, lots of chinese money is in the US, which makes the US kinda dependent but should not be a problem as it is now.
This will be hypothetical now :)
China is building up it's military (big parts of it secretly, as the american military fears) and will reach the level of the US forces in a decade or two (concerning arms). And they won't even have any problems since they are ridicously rich and have millions and millions of young men that could be forced into war. And let's go further and imagine big (or small) brother Russia, who doesn't like the US too much, decided to help to finally put an end to the grudge between those two nations.
And because the mess is not large enough, small brother North Korea comes around and wants to play, too. Oh, and Iran is good friends with North Korea! etc etc etc...
I don't think any nation - even with allies - would be able to beat those nations together.
This will be hypothetical now :)
China is building up it's military (big parts of it secretly, as the american military fears) and will reach the level of the US forces in a decade or two (concerning arms). And they won't even have any problems since they are ridicously rich and have millions and millions of young men that could be forced into war. And let's go further and imagine big (or small) brother Russia, who doesn't like the US too much, decided to help to finally put an end to the grudge between those two nations.
And because the mess is not large enough, small brother North Korea comes around and wants to play, too. Oh, and Iran is good friends with North Korea! etc etc etc...
I don't think any nation - even with allies - would be able to beat those nations together.
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China is building up its armed forces, but it would be far too costly for it to attack America (we're looking at millions of casualties with no chance of success - a stalemate at best). It'll probably just try to extend its influence over other countries, as it is already doing in Africa. It'll secure the best resources and so on for decades and when the inevitable clash finally occurs between America and China over control of some part of the world, America will back down.
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b-hold wrote...
China has no reason to attack anybody right now since they just kicked off germany from the throne of world-leading exports. also it is the country that is importing most goods at the same time. As somebody mentioned already, lots of chinese money is in the US, which makes the US kinda dependent but should not be a problem as it is now.This will be hypothetical now :)
China is building up it's military (big parts of it secretly, as the american military fears) and will reach the level of the US forces in a decade or two (concerning arms). And they won't even have any problems since they are ridicously rich and have millions and millions of young men that could be forced into war. And let's go further and imagine big (or small) brother Russia, who doesn't like the US too much, decided to help to finally put an end to the grudge between those two nations.
And because the mess is not large enough, small brother North Korea comes around and wants to play, too. Oh, and Iran is good friends with North Korea! etc etc etc...
I don't think any nation - even with allies - would be able to beat those nations together.
If you can supply the required logistics for such a war. A campaign against a country across an ocean is no easy task.
The Allies almost lost the war in Europe because of the u-boats wreaking havoc on their merchant ships.
Also none of those countries have any form of credible force projection.
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you people seem to be forgetting both nations have nukes. None of them have the balls to be responsible for the destruction of man kind. and dont even mention those anti missile cuz they dont work. Intercepting missiles? dont make me laugh. Physicists proved that it is impossible to shoot down a tactical nuclear strike on its way. It's like shooting a bullet with a bullet.
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sadl0nelyd0g wrote...
you people seem to be forgetting both nations have nukes. None of them have the balls to be responsible for the destruction of man kind. and dont even mention those anti missile cuz they dont work. Intercepting missiles? dont make me laugh. Physicists proved that it is impossible to shoot down a tactical nuclear strike on its way. It's like shooting a bullet with a bullet. Tactical no but strategic possibly though the chances are even slimmer with all the counter measures stuffed into those MIRV delivery vehicles.