Which is better, believing in a god or not?
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"Belief of Disbelief rests with you."
I don't believe in god, nor do I care of its existence. I've never needed him before, and doubt I will anytime ever.
I don't believe in god, nor do I care of its existence. I've never needed him before, and doubt I will anytime ever.
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godotccf wrote...
I was born a Roman Catholic and to be honest as I got older I began to question the very rules and guidelines that they impose and more and more I'm beginning to doubt Christianity and Catholicism as a whole and God himself. I'm trying to find something good God has done and I found none, I'm sticking with this religion for now since it's frowned upon if you change (I live in a generally Catholic/Christian country). And I don't know if I should continue trying to believe in him or If I should just shun him and go atheist because I just think if there is a god then he's just observing us and not even trying to help the world and this makes me get mad at him and makes me feel that all that bible studies and Christian talk is just crap. So right now I'm at a standstill on whether I should change religion or not.
I honestly want your opinion guys on this, which is better for you? Believing in a God? or not? Maybe with your insight I could better understand what I must do.
That's the thing with modern Christians. They think that God is suppose to solve all you problems but that's not the way it is. God is really like a passenger in a car and you are the driver. Sure He is there but you are the one who is steering the car. He can tell you to turn left but, you have to make the decision whether to follow His words or not. You are the person who is in control of life and He is there to give you support if you need it. As for those who point out all the bad things that has happen even though they believe in God, to those people I ask, when was the last time you thanked God for given you another day? When did you thank God for the air you breath? When have you thanked Him for the good times in your life? He helps those who helps themselves. If Moses sat there with the thought that "God will solve my problems," do you think he would have tried to free the Israelites? No, but when he was trying, God gave him a hand when he needed it. same with Job, Noah, and the rest of the people in the Bible. But, you have the choice to follow my words or not.
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If you have the faith, or as i call it "blind belief" no offense, then belief in god can, will, and has improved the lives of people. It's really the people who question the idea too much that should find something else to believe in. In my opinion the ideal is to accept the possibility but be skeptic as to the nature and/or origins of a god.
"If God were all knowing and all powerful, then why did he allow me to do what I do?"
- Your Inner Monologue
"If God were all knowing and all powerful, then why did he allow me to do what I do?"
- Your Inner Monologue
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Loner
the People's Senpai
I believe in god but i dont go to church everyday, they always say "Prayer is the last act of a desperate man" so the way i see it is if i was athiest and died to realize there was no God, then i was right but if I died atheist and found out there was a God, then I'm srewed lol
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DanteCount wrote...
I believe in god but i dont go to church everyday, they always say "Prayer is the last act of a desperate man" so the way i see it is if i was athiest and died to realize there was no God, then i was right but if I died atheist and found out there was a God, then I'm srewed lolnot necessarily. what if the god were a hindu god? You'd be perfectly fine. What if the god were a deistic god? It wouldn't have mattered even if you DID believe. what if the god was the Jewish god, but not the christian new testament god? No hell for you.
You're propogating the silly argument of Pascal's Wager.
It goes like this: "You don't believe in god, and I do. Say we both die. If there's no god, neither one of us loses anything. If there is, I go to heaven, and you go to hell. So really, you can only win by believing."
This is incredibly retarded, for the following reasons.
1. The god that exists, hypotetically, isn't defined whatsoever.
2. Some gods could care less, according to theology, that we believe in them.
3. This presupposeds a god that, despite the fact that the atheist might be being intellectually honest about their atheism, would punish them anyway, as WELL as would reward a christian, simply for believing, JUST in case there is a heaven. Such a fickle god I wouldn't worship in EVEN IF they did exist.
And 4. To suppose that one doesn't lose anything by believing in god and having no god be there when they die is wrong. Fractally. You have wasted your entire life. You have spent innumerable amount of times thinking about an imaginary friend, you've made decisions, and thought about moral dilemmas in accordance to a completely imaginary framework. You raised your kids to believe in this imaginary thing(presumably) and have possibly doomed them to the same fate.
In short...that's a horrible reason to believe.
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Loner
the People's Senpai
BigLundi wrote...
DanteCount wrote...
I believe in god but i dont go to church everyday, they always say "Prayer is the last act of a desperate man" so the way i see it is if i was athiest and died to realize there was no God, then i was right but if I died atheist and found out there was a God, then I'm srewed lolnot necessarily. what if the god were a hindu god? You'd be perfectly fine. What if the god were a deistic god? It wouldn't have mattered even if you DID believe. what if the god was the Jewish god, but not the christian new testament god? No hell for you.
You're propogating the silly argument of Pascal's Wager.
It goes like this: "You don't believe in god, and I do. Say we both die. If there's no god, neither one of us loses anything. If there is, I go to heaven, and you go to hell. So really, you can only win by believing."
This is incredibly retarded, for the following reasons.
1. The god that exists, hypotetically, isn't defined whatsoever.
2. Some gods could care less, according to theology, that we believe in them.
3. This presupposeds a god that, despite the fact that the atheist might be being intellectually honest about their atheism, would punish them anyway, as WELL as would reward a christian, simply for believing, JUST in case there is a heaven. Such a fickle god I wouldn't worship in EVEN IF they did exist.
And 4. To suppose that one doesn't lose anything by believing in god and having no god be there when they die is wrong. Fractally. You have wasted your entire life. You have spent innumerable amount of times thinking about an imaginary friend, you've made decisions, and thought about moral dilemmas in accordance to a completely imaginary framework. You raised your kids to believe in this imaginary thing(presumably) and have possibly doomed them to the same fate.
In short...that's a horrible reason to believe.
well how i choose to raise my unborn children and how i choose to use my time is my business, not yours
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DanteCount wrote...
well how i choose to raise my unborn children and how i choose to use my time is my business, not yoursNever said it was my business, I'm simply saying believing for that reason is demonstrably dumb, and demonstrably damaging as well. These are facts.
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Gravity cat
the adequately amused
I was born a Catholic (although not a very strict one) and went to a somewhat religious Primary school and then a highly religious secondary school. I've been around religion all my life but have always doubted how much of it was actually all true, just like you are, so I turned against it. The only reason I stayed in it was for a girl, and she's married now. *Forever alone*
I'm not against other people believing in a religion, just so long as they don't shove it in my face. I personally don't believe in any gods, but I'm still open to discussion about a higher being creating us somewhere "out there", but then again it just may be my instincts as a human to be curious and want to find out the answer for myself.
But at the end of the day, what you choose to believe in is down to you, not us. What are you afraid of? That you're going to choose the wrong path? There's no such thing as wrong, because if it makes you happy then go for it. It's your personal preference.
I'm not against other people believing in a religion, just so long as they don't shove it in my face. I personally don't believe in any gods, but I'm still open to discussion about a higher being creating us somewhere "out there", but then again it just may be my instincts as a human to be curious and want to find out the answer for myself.
But at the end of the day, what you choose to believe in is down to you, not us. What are you afraid of? That you're going to choose the wrong path? There's no such thing as wrong, because if it makes you happy then go for it. It's your personal preference.
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Honestly, there is nothing wrong with not believing in a god, however I think that we should have faith in something.
I mean, even if gods aren't real... they CAN create miracles. These miracles are created because people never lose hope. Wishing or whatnot, miracles can happen if you wish hard enough. Some wishes, we can grant. As long as we believe there is somebody giving us spiritual/mental guidance, we can give it our best.
Some people can gain confidence because of prayer. Prayers make people stronger. It doesn't matter if a god exists or not, but the faith you dedicate to a god can become your strength.
I know that some people will judge you if you don't wholeheartedly worship, but that's just society. Everyone has a different way to worship, and that shouldn't stop you from choosing how you do it. Whichever one you choose, make sure it is the path that will bring out the best of your abilities.
However, I am very disappointed in people who force religion down other's throat. It is one of the few reason why I dislike religion. I can respect other people's religion, but I don't want them to expect me to join them.
I mean, even if gods aren't real... they CAN create miracles. These miracles are created because people never lose hope. Wishing or whatnot, miracles can happen if you wish hard enough. Some wishes, we can grant. As long as we believe there is somebody giving us spiritual/mental guidance, we can give it our best.
Some people can gain confidence because of prayer. Prayers make people stronger. It doesn't matter if a god exists or not, but the faith you dedicate to a god can become your strength.
I know that some people will judge you if you don't wholeheartedly worship, but that's just society. Everyone has a different way to worship, and that shouldn't stop you from choosing how you do it. Whichever one you choose, make sure it is the path that will bring out the best of your abilities.
However, I am very disappointed in people who force religion down other's throat. It is one of the few reason why I dislike religion. I can respect other people's religion, but I don't want them to expect me to join them.
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I totally believe in God and he is definitely not ignoring us....
its written we are the only beings created with a free will and that means that our actions is the pen and life itself is the book... and that God warns us before a situation appears but its up to us to follow his warnings.......
yes I do believe because he is the only one who understands us... I don't need proof for his existence.. because he gives me this feeling that he is there and that he is a heart warming guy.... and this feeling is good.....
but I don't blame you guys for not believing him.. I understand you guys 100%
its written we are the only beings created with a free will and that means that our actions is the pen and life itself is the book... and that God warns us before a situation appears but its up to us to follow his warnings.......
yes I do believe because he is the only one who understands us... I don't need proof for his existence.. because he gives me this feeling that he is there and that he is a heart warming guy.... and this feeling is good.....
but I don't blame you guys for not believing him.. I understand you guys 100%
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Legendary_Dollci wrote...
I totally believe in God and he is definitely not ignoring us....its written we are the only beings created with a free will and that means that our actions is the pen and life itself is the book... and that God warns us before a situation appears but its up to us to follow his warnings.......
yes I do believe because he is the only one who understands us... I don't need proof for his existence.. because he gives me this feeling that he is there and that he is a heart warming guy.... and this feeling is good.....
but I don't blame you guys for not believing him.. I understand you guys 100%
You...really didn't say a whole lot other than buzz words and poetic stuff I can hear from any evangelist.
It was written by men, for men, that God gave us free will, but really you ought be well aware that that amounts to nothing more than a bare assertion of what is true. You say yourself you don't need proof of his existence, well, what about ANY evidence at all? I mean, not to sound insulting but quite frankly I haven't heard a single piece of evidence in the slightest that God exists, nothing empirical, nothing verifiable, nothing even TESTABLE. You...feel...that he exists..ok, what if I were to say the idea of ghosts makes me feel good, so I know they exist because of that? Obviously that wouldn't be a good reason to believe in ghosts, and no matter how much I feel it's true, it doesn't in any way MAKE it true.
You think you understand atheists? I submit that you don't.
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I think that you should do both. I would say that my religion is a mixture of the Middle Way, Christianity, and a slight belief in a God that you hope is fake. I believe that God blesses me everyday for trying to spend his word, and I think he understands that I hate his guts and hope that he isn't real. I think the way to attain true happiness is to place your faith in God and stop striving for material wealth to a point. Study your bible and find wisdom in it's pages, but don't let it completely rule you, and use your own God given common sense. If you follow the basic 10 from the bible, free yourself from the slavery of personal gain and let your good Karma flow, while using common sense then you will most likely lead an amazing life filled with friends that respect you.
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actually I believe that every person are believe of something greater than them, either conscious or unconsciously.
this actually came from their minimum understanding of their surrounding and themselves.
the easiest example that we could use are "why people only have 2 eyes?"
in the end believers will says that its god will, while non believer will state its just the way it is.
this prove that our understanding toward something are simply limited to our five sense.
this limited understanding that drove those believers that there is something that control the world beyond their perceptive, which resulted in religion and God.
while non believer simply try to reason by their perceptive and sense, which resulted in science and invention.
both are actually cure for our fear of our limited understanding with god for our soul while science and invention for our mind.
if we back to the question, the answer are simply back to their own self, what that they actually seek in this life?
if you seek a cure for your mind then not believing will be better, while if you seek a cure for your heart believing simply the best cure.
this actually came from their minimum understanding of their surrounding and themselves.
the easiest example that we could use are "why people only have 2 eyes?"
in the end believers will says that its god will, while non believer will state its just the way it is.
this prove that our understanding toward something are simply limited to our five sense.
this limited understanding that drove those believers that there is something that control the world beyond their perceptive, which resulted in religion and God.
while non believer simply try to reason by their perceptive and sense, which resulted in science and invention.
both are actually cure for our fear of our limited understanding with god for our soul while science and invention for our mind.
if we back to the question, the answer are simply back to their own self, what that they actually seek in this life?
if you seek a cure for your mind then not believing will be better, while if you seek a cure for your heart believing simply the best cure.
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Religion is a mysterious case...
So is God..
But people have their beliefs and non-beliefs about God and we can't change that..
but it doesn't give the right for some writers (im talking about you) to prove their point and say that what they write are the right answers since there is no right or wrong answers regarding to religion and God...
There are no facts about religion, only stories and adventures from this one person who brought the message in....
we can only fact out that these individuals who brought religion in changed the world and how society lives......
but I do indeed find individuals who try to force other people to join their religion really sick and deserve a ass whupping ( Sorry for the rude words)
There will always be a conflict in ones own religion about how they approach strangers, but these people have to respect the decision of these strangers when they say no....
It doesn't matter to me if you believe in God or not.....
we will just wait and see what happens at the end...
But for now I'm cool with the people who don't believe in God because I respect them.. they are good-nature people who wish nothing more than having a normal life...
So is God..
But people have their beliefs and non-beliefs about God and we can't change that..
but it doesn't give the right for some writers (im talking about you) to prove their point and say that what they write are the right answers since there is no right or wrong answers regarding to religion and God...
There are no facts about religion, only stories and adventures from this one person who brought the message in....
we can only fact out that these individuals who brought religion in changed the world and how society lives......
but I do indeed find individuals who try to force other people to join their religion really sick and deserve a ass whupping ( Sorry for the rude words)
There will always be a conflict in ones own religion about how they approach strangers, but these people have to respect the decision of these strangers when they say no....
It doesn't matter to me if you believe in God or not.....
we will just wait and see what happens at the end...
But for now I'm cool with the people who don't believe in God because I respect them.. they are good-nature people who wish nothing more than having a normal life...
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BigLundi wrote...
You...really didn't say a whole lot other than buzz words and poetic stuff I can hear from any evangelist.It was written by men, for men, that God gave us free will, but really you ought be well aware that that amounts to nothing more than a bare assertion of what is true. You say yourself you don't need proof of his existence, well, what about ANY evidence at all? I mean, not to sound insulting but quite frankly I haven't heard a single piece of evidence in the slightest that God exists, nothing empirical, nothing verifiable, nothing even TESTABLE. You...feel...that he exists..ok, what if I were to say the idea of ghosts makes me feel good, so I know they exist because of that? Obviously that wouldn't be a good reason to believe in ghosts, and no matter how much I feel it's true, it doesn't in any way MAKE it true.
You think you understand atheists? I submit that you don't.
There is something that I want to ask for a long time... who creates the universe?
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zeroniv_legend wrote...
There is something that I want to ask for a long time... who creates the universe?
Counter question: "Why do you ask 'who', and not 'what'?
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Well everyone has different opinions and i guess its up to them on what to believe. We can't really know for sure so its either you have faith or none.
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*EXCLAIMER* This post in not intended to insult anyone, I sincerely apologize if I offend anyone.
For the weak-minded, yes. God is the source of all of their answers and is perfect. They don't have a care in the world, always knowing that God will protect them no matter what. This is but an illusion of coarse.
For the intellectual and rational, no. I used to be Roman Catholic too, ask my mother, she still thinks I am. (I could never bring myself to tell her I'm athiest) I wanted to beleive in an almighty savior, but I never fully could. As I grew older, I learned more and more about science, and God faded more and more. Then I came to a conclusion, "God exists only to those who want him to. God is merely an abstract idea to help those who do not understand the world to keep from being afraid.
Will I ever believe in God again, no. Will I force my ideals onto others, never, I respect others too much for that. But, I still will pitty those who don't understand one crutial and very exciting bit of information that I litterally just realized.
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For the weak-minded, yes. God is the source of all of their answers and is perfect. They don't have a care in the world, always knowing that God will protect them no matter what. This is but an illusion of coarse.
For the intellectual and rational, no. I used to be Roman Catholic too, ask my mother, she still thinks I am. (I could never bring myself to tell her I'm athiest) I wanted to beleive in an almighty savior, but I never fully could. As I grew older, I learned more and more about science, and God faded more and more. Then I came to a conclusion, "God exists only to those who want him to. God is merely an abstract idea to help those who do not understand the world to keep from being afraid.
Will I ever believe in God again, no. Will I force my ideals onto others, never, I respect others too much for that. But, I still will pitty those who don't understand one crutial and very exciting bit of information that I litterally just realized.
F
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Baka-Chu~ wrote...
*EXCLAIMER* This post in not intended to insult anyone, I sincerely apologize if I offend anyone.For the weak-minded, yes. God is the source of all of their answers and is perfect. They don't have a care in the world, always knowing that God will protect them no matter what. This is but an illusion of coarse.
For the intellectual and rational, no. I used to be Roman Catholic too, ask my mother, she still thinks I am. (I could never bring myself to tell her I'm athiest) I wanted to beleive in an almighty savior, but I never fully could. As I grew older, I learned more and more about science, and God faded more and more. Then I came to a conclusion, "God exists only to those who want him to. God is merely an abstract idea to help those who do not understand the world to keep from being afraid.
Will I ever believe in God again, no. Will I force my ideals onto others, never, I respect others too much for that. But, I still will pitty those who don't understand one crutial and very exciting bit of information that I litterally just realized.
F
My Godly shield of ultimate protection is not illusory. It protects me from everything evil and unholy, in addition to not letting me get caught going on Fakku. My faith is unshakeable, yet I am able to make rational decisions even based as though I were in an atheist's shoes. For my faith I am rewarded with a healthy and happy life. Although it does have the hardships of a normal citizen living in a developed country like America, I don't mind, as I realize I have it worlds better than most people in the world. This is why when I am older, and have a high paying job, I will be very philanthropic in order to help those less fortunate, and don't have the Godly shield of ultimate protection. Since I believe in the scientific method, I'll let you know when I am hit by a car or my airplane crashes or something else bad happens to me. Until then, behold my theory!
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Luke Piewalker wrote...
Baka-Chu~ wrote...
*EXCLAIMER* This post in not intended to insult anyone, I sincerely apologize if I offend anyone.For the weak-minded, yes. God is the source of all of their answers and is perfect. They don't have a care in the world, always knowing that God will protect them no matter what. This is but an illusion of coarse.
For the intellectual and rational, no. I used to be Roman Catholic too, ask my mother, she still thinks I am. (I could never bring myself to tell her I'm athiest) I wanted to beleive in an almighty savior, but I never fully could. As I grew older, I learned more and more about science, and God faded more and more. Then I came to a conclusion, "God exists only to those who want him to. God is merely an abstract idea to help those who do not understand the world to keep from being afraid.
Will I ever believe in God again, no. Will I force my ideals onto others, never, I respect others too much for that. But, I still will pitty those who don't understand one crutial and very exciting bit of information that I litterally just realized.
F
My Godly shield of ultimate protection is not illusory. It protects me from everything evil and unholy, in addition to not letting me get caught going on Fakku. My faith is unshakeable, yet I am able to make rational decisions even based as though I were in an atheist's shoes. For my faith I am rewarded with a healthy and happy life. Although it does have the hardships of a normal citizen living in a developed country like America, I don't mind, as I realize I have it worlds better than most people in the world. This is why when I am older, and have a high paying job, I will be very philanthropic in order to help those less fortunate, and don't have the Godly shield of ultimate protection. Since I believe in the scientific method, I'll let you know when I am hit by a car or my airplane crashes or something else bad happens to me. Until then, behold my theory!
Although, I highly disagree with your words, I still respect your right to say them. Whatever makes you happy, I will not take away from you. I will not press my beliefs on to you, just as I expect you not to push your's on to me.