Which is better, believing in a god or not?
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Hmm interesting, I feel this topic is well observed o.o Anyway I claim to be Christian, yet I dont read the Bible (for some odd reason), I believe in a God, but i just don't have any desire to believe that he will judge people extremely harshly for trivial instincts (sex before marriage etc.), well anything that doesnt physically and mentally harm other individuals. Does that make me Christian? Its your opinion and Im well ok with you telling me why I wouldnt be. But I suppose why i do claim to be Christian rather then agnostic is because the church i attended when I reached high school was so influential on me that I felt like being considered a Christian. The people around me and worship made me feel emotions I never felt before. Thats just me anyway
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Cookie Ex Cursori wrote...
Hmm interesting, I feel this topic is well observed o.o Anyway I claim to be Christian, yet I dont read the Bible (for some odd reason), I believe in a God, but i just don't have any desire to believe that he will judge people extremely harshly for trivial instincts (sex before marriage etc.), well anything that doesnt physically and mentally harm other individuals. Does that make me Christian? Its your opinion and Im well ok with you telling me why I wouldnt be. But I suppose why i do claim to be Christian rather then agnostic is because the church i attended when I reached high school was so influential on me that I felt like being considered a Christian. The people around me and worship made me feel emotions I never felt before. Thats just me anywayI believe that in any and all cases of spirituality,
It's between you, and whoever/whatever you believe in.
It's no one's [not even mine] place to tell someone they're conducting their spiritual life incorrectly.
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Lollikittie wrote...
Cookie Ex Cursori wrote...
Hmm interesting, I feel this topic is well observed o.o Anyway I claim to be Christian, yet I dont read the Bible (for some odd reason), I believe in a God, but i just don't have any desire to believe that he will judge people extremely harshly for trivial instincts (sex before marriage etc.), well anything that doesnt physically and mentally harm other individuals. Does that make me Christian? Its your opinion and Im well ok with you telling me why I wouldnt be. But I suppose why i do claim to be Christian rather then agnostic is because the church i attended when I reached high school was so influential on me that I felt like being considered a Christian. The people around me and worship made me feel emotions I never felt before. Thats just me anywayI believe that in any and all cases of spirituality,
It's between you, and whoever/whatever you believe in.
It's no one's [not even mine] place to tell someone they're conducting their spiritual life incorrectly.
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I feel like you just summed up my beliefs in about 5 sentenced... darn XD. But I am sure there are some people that take spreading the gospel seriously (not necessarily the Godspel, but alas), so personally I like some more opinions too :]
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I won't say whether to believe or not to believe, or which is better, because in reality neither is. You can't compare thoughts and opinions. I am Atheist and proud of it, but I don't mind if others believe. Mind-sets are huge in influence in a lot of people, so I guess whichever most benefits you.
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JokerFight wrote...
Fayte87 wrote...
JokerFight wrote...
Science proves that there is no GOD?That is completely insane.Tell you what,I tell you guys an analogy.If there is a building, there must be an architect.If there is a picture, there must be an artist.If there is a sculpture,there must be a sculptor.The point is when there is creation,there is a Creator.You're telling me if you drop
a droplet of water to the ground, it will magically evolve into a sea?!These things do not evolve,and do not come from nothing.They were created by some absolute mighty intelligent being who is God.
By your reasoning; because 'God' exists some other intelligence shaped 'his' existence.
Ok, so you're saying that is God created by other intelligent being?
Ok,the characteristic of God is God must not be created.All humans believe that when there is a beginning, there must be an end,right?
If God,himself, the very beginning of all beings is created,then there will be no beginning or an ending.
Because your statement is to say that God is created by another supreme being.
Then you're saying that the supreme being is also created by other more supreme being.And then the higher rank of the supreme being created by another higher supreme being.Where is the beginning?Where is the ending of these creation?
I'm sorry to say but your statement is not logical and irrational.Your statement is contradicting the logical fact in what human believes.It's as if you want to shoot me,but first you have to ask the permission of your friend who wants to shoot you.Then your friend also have to ask permission to shoot you from a killer who wants to shoot him.Then the cycle goes around.It does not end.There is no ending in this situation where everyone is asking permission to do something.
Like I said,God remains uncreated.He is the beginning of all things and he is also the ending of all things.
First off, my statement wasn't a question. It was an observation of your statement.
Read your own post.
JokerFight wrote...
The point is when there is creation,there is a CreatorWhen you apply this to the idea of 'god', and that he has no creator, you create a paradox. Similar to the chicken and the egg discussion. How can creation exist without a creator?
JokerFight wrote...
Your statement is contradicting the logical fact in what human believes.you made a contradiction in this statement. A fact is an absolute in relation to the whole; a belief is dependent on the individual. a 'logical' fact cannot be applied to belief.
You should also rethink the wording of that friend shoots friend argument. Point being: you're not my friend so why do i need a friend's permission. secondly, what if I am the only friend of the friend I choose to ask(loophole situation)?
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I don't believe in god but then again look at all the F*** I give about my life.
Anyway you should only believe in a god as long you are yourself, I become worry/paranoid if someone is being nice "cause god said so", they might as well been on drug since they don't really do it for themselves. As long you don't let your religion decide/govern your life, it's fine to think or believe in a god. I especially hate people who for some reason pity you or sorry for you not believing in their religion.
In my case being a non believer as you would say, I am pretty happy having the knowledge of one thing and that is the My Little Pony FIM. I am dead serious when I say that shows gave me the biggest joy in my entire life and might be the thing to spark the fuse in changing my apathetic life. If there is a hell and I go there, I would still be glad just for being a Brony. So I highly doubt not having a god to believe in when you are at your lowest is going to be bad as long you have certan knowledge that give you great joy EX: memories.
Anyway you should only believe in a god as long you are yourself, I become worry/paranoid if someone is being nice "cause god said so", they might as well been on drug since they don't really do it for themselves. As long you don't let your religion decide/govern your life, it's fine to think or believe in a god. I especially hate people who for some reason pity you or sorry for you not believing in their religion.
In my case being a non believer as you would say, I am pretty happy having the knowledge of one thing and that is the My Little Pony FIM. I am dead serious when I say that shows gave me the biggest joy in my entire life and might be the thing to spark the fuse in changing my apathetic life. If there is a hell and I go there, I would still be glad just for being a Brony. So I highly doubt not having a god to believe in when you are at your lowest is going to be bad as long you have certan knowledge that give you great joy EX: memories.
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It's your choice, as long as you know what you're getting into. Read the religious texts and principles thoroughly before you decide to identify yourself with a religious group. "Better" and "worse" are subjective, just as "good", "bad", "right", and "wrong" are. Find something you totally agree with, and believe in that.
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JokerFight wrote...
Science proves that there is no GOD?That is completely insane.Tell you what,I tell you guys an analogy.If there is a building, there must be an architect.If there is a picture, there must be an artist.If there is a sculpture,there must be a sculptor.The point is when there is creation,there is a Creator.You're telling me if you drop
a droplet of water to the ground, it will magically evolve into a sea?!These things do not evolve,and do not come from nothing.They were created by some absolute mighty intelligent being who is God.
Why does the creator have to be intelligent? Do crystals need intelligent design to form organized lattices? No, so the universe doesn't necessarily need an intelligent creator. Indeed, a building has an intelligent creator, but not all creations require intelligence. No one is denying that something created the universe. Science doesn't disprove the abstract idea of an intelligent creator. Get more specific though, like the biblical god or the Islamic god and science can disprove that specific god because there are false claims associated with it.
If you argue something must have created the universe, I agree.
If you argue the creator was intelligent, then we have to look for 100% proof.
If you argue the creator came down and talked to certain people and that he made the Earth in 7 days then we can disprove it by what we know already.
Science seeks only to find out the absolute truth to everything and makes no assumptions, aka. the "leap of faith".
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Daedalus_ wrote...
JokerFight wrote...
Science proves that there is no GOD?That is completely insane.Tell you what,I tell you guys an analogy.If there is a building, there must be an architect.If there is a picture, there must be an artist.If there is a sculpture,there must be a sculptor.The point is when there is creation,there is a Creator.You're telling me if you drop
a droplet of water to the ground, it will magically evolve into a sea?!These things do not evolve,and do not come from nothing.They were created by some absolute mighty intelligent being who is God.
Why does the creator have to be intelligent? Do crystals need intelligent design to form organized lattices? No, so the universe doesn't necessarily need an intelligent creator. Indeed, a building has an intelligent creator, but not all creations require intelligence. No one is denying that something created the universe. Science doesn't disprove the abstract idea of an intelligent creator. Get more specific though, like the biblical god or the Islamic god and science can disprove that specific god because there are false claims associated with it.
If you argue something must have created the universe, I agree.
If you argue the creator was intelligent, then we have to look for 100% proof.
If you argue the creator came down and talked to certain people and that he made the Earth in 7 days then we can disprove it by what we know already.
Science seeks only to find out the absolute truth to everything and makes no assumptions, aka. the "leap of faith".
Ok,so you're asking about evidence of God's intelligence.
Let's talk about buildings.
Who created buildings?
Architects.You see these guys are professionals who have intelligence about architecture.
Without intelligence,can they arrange the shapes of the building?Or knowing the suitable height for such width?Or the most suitable material for the building itself.
Same goes here.If God didn't have the knowledge to structure the planets and arranging them or even to make the complex inner parts of a simple cell,how can he make a universe?
This is the proof,you just don't see it.
Science without faith is an imperfection.
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JokerFight wrote...
Ok,so you're asking about evidence of God's intelligence.
Let's talk about buildings.
Who created buildings?
Architects.You see these guys are professionals who have intelligence about architecture.
Without intelligence,can they arrange the shapes of the building?Or knowing the suitable height for such width?Or the most suitable material for the building itself.
Same goes here.If God didn't have the knowledge to structure the planets and arranging them or even to make the complex inner parts of a simple cell,how can he make a universe?
This is the proof,you just don't see it.
Science without faith is an imperfection.
I will only make my point one time further in simple english and if you still do not understand it then you are illogical. Buildings have an intelligent creator. Ok. The universe is not a building. Buildings are made by humans, the universe is not. What are things that are in the universe naturally that were already there? Those things are the only stuff we can use to argue for evidence of an intelligent creator because building = man made, and stuff not touched by humans = stuff that was created with the universe. Does that stuff have to be created by an intelligent creator? No, things can arrange themselves. Magnets pull together by force. Gravity pulls rock pieces together like magnets and makes planets. We've even seen gravity make new stars. "Complex" inner parts of a cell can be made because things naturally arrange themselves like gravity. Just because it is complex does not mean it had to be designed. A snowflake is not made by some guy in the clouds with a blueprint, but nature makes the complicated shapes in a snowflake anyway. There is no evidence there is an intelligent creator and no evidence there isn't. That's because we cannot see anything that needs an intelligent creator to explain. If you can explain how something was made without an intelligent creator then why do we need to believe in one?
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Daedalus_ wrote...
JokerFight wrote...
Ok,so you're asking about evidence of God's intelligence.
Let's talk about buildings.
Who created buildings?
Architects.You see these guys are professionals who have intelligence about architecture.
Without intelligence,can they arrange the shapes of the building?Or knowing the suitable height for such width?Or the most suitable material for the building itself.
Same goes here.If God didn't have the knowledge to structure the planets and arranging them or even to make the complex inner parts of a simple cell,how can he make a universe?
This is the proof,you just don't see it.
Science without faith is an imperfection.
I will only make my point one time further in simple english and if you still do not understand it then you are illogical. Buildings have an intelligent creator. Ok. The universe is not a building. Buildings are made by humans, the universe is not. What are things that are in the universe naturally that were already there? Those things are the only stuff we can use to argue for evidence of an intelligent creator because building = man made, and stuff not touched by humans = stuff that was created with the universe. Does that stuff have to be created by an intelligent creator? No, things can arrange themselves. Magnets pull together by force. Gravity pulls rock pieces together like magnets and makes planets. We've even seen gravity make new stars. "Complex" inner parts of a cell can be made because things naturally arrange themselves like gravity. Just because it is complex does not mean it had to be designed. A snowflake is not made by some guy in the clouds with a blueprint, but nature makes the complicated shapes in a snowflake anyway. There is no evidence there is an intelligent creator and no evidence there isn't. That's because we cannot see anything that needs an intelligent creator to explain. If you can explain how something was made without an intelligent creator then why do we need to believe in one?
Stuff humans can't touch,huh?
How about your soul?You cannot touch it,right?
Why science can't explain why souls exist?
Why souls who can have intelligence,lust and emotions cannot be explained by science?
Why when people dies,doctors cannot examine their souls?
You know your soul exists but you don't see it.So,there must be a supreme being who creates it.
All of these have been arranged and created by a creator.
If nature just naturally have instincts, it is as if you're saying you put stones in the desert,suddenly tornadoes,sand storms passing by over the stones and suddenly the stone turned into a house.Illogical,right?People will say you crazy for saying that.
These things don't naturally arranged themselves, there must be some supreme being who created and arranged them intellligently in order for them to be perfect.
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JokerFight wrote...
Stuff humans can't touch,huh?How about your soul?You cannot touch it,right?
Why science can't explain why souls exist?
Why souls who can have intelligence,lust and emotions cannot be explained by science?
Why when people dies,doctors cannot examine their souls?
You know your soul exists but you don't see it.So,there must be a supreme being who creates it.
You keep talking about that soul, but you've never showed me one exists.
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Stenta wrote...
JokerFight wrote...
Stuff humans can't touch,huh?How about your soul?You cannot touch it,right?
Why science can't explain why souls exist?
Why souls who can have intelligence,lust and emotions cannot be explained by science?
Why when people dies,doctors cannot examine their souls?
You know your soul exists but you don't see it.So,there must be a supreme being who creates it.
You keep talking about that soul, but you've never showed me one exists.
Then if you don't believe in one,what is controlling your body right now?
There are some things that we cannot explain further with science like the existence of ghosts,paranormal activity and superstitious belief.
You believe in the existence of mind,but yet you don't see your own mind.But you feel it.Just like souls,we can't see but we can feel it within our body.There are some things we cannot see with our eyes but yet,they exist.
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I'm an atheist in a house of Christians. I do my best not to rock the "holy" boat but I had recently asked my father and he asked me why I don't and for some reason finding a way to interpret my feelings of it without being antagonistic was really difficult if not impossible. I listen to those who believe but can not find myself able to believe in things that can not be proven. I find the concept of faith to be a quick scapegoat for whether or not to believe in god. I guess I still have to think what exactly matters and what to have faith in maybe humanity......lmao.
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JokerFight wrote...
Stenta wrote...
JokerFight wrote...
Stuff humans can't touch,huh?How about your soul?You cannot touch it,right?
Why science can't explain why souls exist?
Why souls who can have intelligence,lust and emotions cannot be explained by science?
Why when people dies,doctors cannot examine their souls?
You know your soul exists but you don't see it.So,there must be a supreme being who creates it.
You keep talking about that soul, but you've never showed me one exists.
Then if you don't believe in one,what is controlling your body right now?
There are some things that we cannot explain further with science like the existence of ghosts,paranormal activity and superstitious belief.
You believe in the existence of mind,but yet you don't see your own mind.But you feel it.Just like souls,we can't see but we can feel it within our body.There are some things we cannot see with our eyes but yet,they exist.
My body is controlled by synaptic discharges that occurs throughout the body tying the brain to the body whilst utilizing an electrical current produced by the heart. Furthermore, i would like to know why you think it possible for a person to feel their 'minds'.
As to knowing the soul exists; I know the soul DOESN'T exist. based on religion, when a person dies their 'soul' crosses over. So what happens when a person is revived after flat-lining?
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Data Zero
Valkyrie Forces CO
Fayte87 wrote...
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My body is controlled by synaptic discharges that occurs throughout the body tying the brain to the body whilst utilizing an electrical current produced by the heart. Furthermore, i would like to know why you think it possible for a person to feel their 'minds'.
As to knowing the soul exists; I know the soul DOESN'T exist. based on religion, when a person dies their 'soul' crosses over. So what happens when a person is revived after flat-lining?
If my memory serves correct, electrical current is produced by the brain, not by heart. Heart uses the current.
Anyway, To belive or Not to belive. There is not a single correct answer to that. There are some stuff that no physical law can explain. And again religion is a result of our imagination. In the acient times wen something unexplainable happened, for an answer people let theyr imagination run wild. Hence religion was born. Well thats my belief.
Second, if GOD exist it must be a man, because NO woman can fuck things up like a man can. We have war here and there. Hunger in Africa, Greed is everywhere and humans treat eachother like garbage. You cannot be proud of this.
I can tolerate religion as long as it doesen't go to fanatical.
Also:
Even though it is a stand up comedy, you can't help to hear some truth in his words.
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Data Zero wrote...
If my memory serves correct, electrical current is produced by the brain, not by heart. Heart uses the current.
Heart produces the electricity with each beat. The brain uses the energy to control the body including the regulation of how fast the heart beats.
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Data Zero
Valkyrie Forces CO
Fayte87 wrote...
Data Zero wrote...
If my memory serves correct, electrical current is produced by the brain, not by heart. Heart uses the current.
Heart produces the electricity with each beat. The brain uses the energy to control the body including the regulation of how fast the heart beats.
Thanks for claryfing it for me. I need to read my biology notes again.
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The way I see it, it's better to live believing in a God that wants us to do good than to believe in absolute nothingness. That's not to say that I think that institutions like the Church are the best way to guide our beliefs; the Church is, like any other institution on this Earth, a man-made construct, and as such is susceptible to human fallibility.
Point is, if you feel like believing in God is the right thing to do, then do it. Lacking faith in the Church is normal; I myself am also Roman Catholic, but I don't always agree with some of its teachings and practices. But I still believe that there is a God out there, somewhere. And I believe in it not because I was told to, but because of my own experiences and reasoning.
That's the best I can give you. Your choice to believe is a personal matter; you are not bound to what others have told you. Your belief is a product of your own volition, and you alone must weigh the options.
Point is, if you feel like believing in God is the right thing to do, then do it. Lacking faith in the Church is normal; I myself am also Roman Catholic, but I don't always agree with some of its teachings and practices. But I still believe that there is a God out there, somewhere. And I believe in it not because I was told to, but because of my own experiences and reasoning.
That's the best I can give you. Your choice to believe is a personal matter; you are not bound to what others have told you. Your belief is a product of your own volition, and you alone must weigh the options.
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People always say it's harder to have faith than it is not to, however consider it this way, which is easier, doing everything with the watchful guidance of an all-powerful magical bearded man or doing everything alone by the sweat on your brow? Not believing in someone magical holding your hand takes more strength, after all it's admitting that you're totally alone in life and have to accomplish everything by a combination of blind chance and perseverance. Some may say that the belief in God inspires morality, however is it true morality. Doing what's right because someone is watching is not having integrity. Trading good deeds for admittance into an exclusive club (ie heaven) isn't being a good person, it's just being economical. Applying to rationality and an even trade-off shouldn't be considered richeous, it shouldn't even be considered good, it's just people trying to better their own standings. The belief in God fosters a weakness in individuals and a lack in true morality, do the belief is now detrimental to our society as a whole. Religion served it's purpose, but the enlightenment has already happened and we're still accepting God because we're fundamentally afraid of the notion of being truly alone, but it's time to change that.