Whoa, 20 Years for Loli Manga
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http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2009/01/07/20-years-for-loli-manga-%E2%80%9Cvictims-don%E2%80%99t-have-to-exist%E2%80%9D/
A federal appeals panel has upheld the 20 year sentence of a lolicon found to have received illustrations of underage sex by email, saying that “it is not a required that the minor depicted actually exists”, and so ruling art not to be universally protected free speech.
The court also insisted that purely textual email containing incest related material was not constitutionally protected free speech, and so also upheld his conviction on these grounds.
The man concerned (55), a resident of Richmond, Virginia, is serving a 20 year sentence after being convicted in 2005 of “receiving 20 Japanese cartoons, called anime, illustrating young girls being forced to have sex with men”, which he rather unwisely received using a public computer at the Virginia Employment Commission.
Additionally, he was found to have sent and received incest related emails of a purely textual nature, which were judged to be obscene and therefore not constitutionally protected free speech.
Clouding the issue further, the man apparently also received unambiguously illegal photographs of underage sexual conduct.
All this resulted in a jury convicting him of 74 offences, including receiving obscene materials, receiving obscene visual representations of underage sex, receiving child pornography and sending and receiving obscene emails. His sentence of 20 years was the maximum possible.
The notorious PROTECT Act of 2003, which permits arbitrarily stripping material of its First Amendment protections if it can be judged obscene according to the criteria of the Miller Test, was instrumental in securing these convictions; in fact this represents the first successful conviction under it.
In his appeal against the convictions, he claimed that the illustrations were protected by the First Amendment, as they do not depict real children. He also claimed the PROTECT Act was unconstitutional as textual emails cannot be considered obscene.
The judges would have none of it, holding that the act was made for the protection of imaginary children:
“It is not a required element of any offense under this section that the minor depicted actually exists.”
One of the three judges did accept his arguments, though this had no impact on the majority ruling. The convictions for the photographs did not come into question.
The man intends to continue elevating the appeal, to the Supreme Court if necessary, in order to get the relevant parts of his conviction quashed.
It is not his first brush with the law: in 1999 he was sentenced to nearly four years for possessing pornography depicting minors, so clearly he is not the most charismatic appellant.
This via AP, brought to my attention in the forums.
The PROTECT Act of late seems to be coming to the fore in relation to cases involving loli manga; there is also the recent case of an Iowa man facing similar convictions, although in his case without any real imagery involved.
Given that so much anime and manga, both mainstream and erotic, revolves around sexual situations involving participants clearly under what US law would regard as a legal age for such depictions to not constitute child pornography, just how much of mainstream anime and manga, to say nothing of actual pornography, will eventually come under the remit of such laws should they go unchecked?
With lower courts and national politicians gleefully stripping both speech and art of Constitutional protections using the evils of underage sex as a lever, we have to wonder whether the Supreme Court will actually rectify matters at some point?
Damn, after China, now this?
A federal appeals panel has upheld the 20 year sentence of a lolicon found to have received illustrations of underage sex by email, saying that “it is not a required that the minor depicted actually exists”, and so ruling art not to be universally protected free speech.
The court also insisted that purely textual email containing incest related material was not constitutionally protected free speech, and so also upheld his conviction on these grounds.
The man concerned (55), a resident of Richmond, Virginia, is serving a 20 year sentence after being convicted in 2005 of “receiving 20 Japanese cartoons, called anime, illustrating young girls being forced to have sex with men”, which he rather unwisely received using a public computer at the Virginia Employment Commission.
Additionally, he was found to have sent and received incest related emails of a purely textual nature, which were judged to be obscene and therefore not constitutionally protected free speech.
Clouding the issue further, the man apparently also received unambiguously illegal photographs of underage sexual conduct.
All this resulted in a jury convicting him of 74 offences, including receiving obscene materials, receiving obscene visual representations of underage sex, receiving child pornography and sending and receiving obscene emails. His sentence of 20 years was the maximum possible.
The notorious PROTECT Act of 2003, which permits arbitrarily stripping material of its First Amendment protections if it can be judged obscene according to the criteria of the Miller Test, was instrumental in securing these convictions; in fact this represents the first successful conviction under it.
In his appeal against the convictions, he claimed that the illustrations were protected by the First Amendment, as they do not depict real children. He also claimed the PROTECT Act was unconstitutional as textual emails cannot be considered obscene.
The judges would have none of it, holding that the act was made for the protection of imaginary children:
“It is not a required element of any offense under this section that the minor depicted actually exists.”
One of the three judges did accept his arguments, though this had no impact on the majority ruling. The convictions for the photographs did not come into question.
The man intends to continue elevating the appeal, to the Supreme Court if necessary, in order to get the relevant parts of his conviction quashed.
It is not his first brush with the law: in 1999 he was sentenced to nearly four years for possessing pornography depicting minors, so clearly he is not the most charismatic appellant.
This via AP, brought to my attention in the forums.
The PROTECT Act of late seems to be coming to the fore in relation to cases involving loli manga; there is also the recent case of an Iowa man facing similar convictions, although in his case without any real imagery involved.
Given that so much anime and manga, both mainstream and erotic, revolves around sexual situations involving participants clearly under what US law would regard as a legal age for such depictions to not constitute child pornography, just how much of mainstream anime and manga, to say nothing of actual pornography, will eventually come under the remit of such laws should they go unchecked?
With lower courts and national politicians gleefully stripping both speech and art of Constitutional protections using the evils of underage sex as a lever, we have to wonder whether the Supreme Court will actually rectify matters at some point?
Damn, after China, now this?
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Mobius01 wrote...
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seriously, I quit!
I doubt the supreme court will rectify this since they are appointed to their positions based on how they look at things. If they support lolicon as artwork and protected the president will appoint someone else if he feels lolicon shouldn't be protected.
In short. Things in this country suck, they will continue to suck and they will get worse.
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I ain't removing the loli from my laptop or my pc, I shall email the loli to people to unicef and sue them for possession of loli!
I aint budging at all at this fake law.
Edit: Emailing the loli to unicef will happen if authority goes after me that is.
I'd like to see how they can even arrest an university with a perfect clean record!
I aint budging at all at this fake law.
Edit: Emailing the loli to unicef will happen if authority goes after me that is.
I'd like to see how they can even arrest an university with a perfect clean record!
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They called it anime. Hopefully they figure out it's called lolicon before they start convicting people that don't deserve it.
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Haha, lower level courts. Fucktards aplenty.
The thing is that, even with the Protect act, the Supreme court has ruled twice that Loli is legal so long as it's not an Mangaziation of a real-life minor. Therefore, Nagi [size=3]Sanzenin[/h] doujins are legal, Harry potter not so much.
So, quite honestly, while he will get years for the actual CP, the loli and incest emails are protected by two put of three of the highest powers.
The thing is that, even with the Protect act, the Supreme court has ruled twice that Loli is legal so long as it's not an Mangaziation of a real-life minor. Therefore, Nagi [size=3]Sanzenin[/h] doujins are legal, Harry potter not so much.
So, quite honestly, while he will get years for the actual CP, the loli and incest emails are protected by two put of three of the highest powers.
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Hm... SERIOUS BUSINESS. Reminds me of the post I made about loli becoming illegal. Oh well, time to lock up my loli in a flash drive and put it away till I need fapping.
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Mobius01 wrote...
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They want me to give up my loli!
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really i don't know what do think, I am still gonna keep them, so if it comes to that, i'll see you all in prison.
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ero-sensei wrote...
if a girls possess loli manga, will she get arrested?double standard could probably apply, when was the last time u heard about a woman getting prison time for anything related to sex/sex material
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List of things to do:
-Delete -ALL- material related to 4chan
-Dump my 500mb loli collection... /cry
-Cry some more because the system is turning on itself
Seriously. If loli isn't ok, then how long will it be until tentacles are outlawed for being bestiality? Soon anything gore related will be taken down. What comes after that you ask? EVERYTHIGN ELSE. No violence, no lude language, no nothing. Kissing leads to sex. Banning loli leads to the complete censorship of the media. It had to start somewhere and now that it has, there's no turning back.
-Delete -ALL- material related to 4chan
-Dump my 500mb loli collection... /cry
-Cry some more because the system is turning on itself
Seriously. If loli isn't ok, then how long will it be until tentacles are outlawed for being bestiality? Soon anything gore related will be taken down. What comes after that you ask? EVERYTHIGN ELSE. No violence, no lude language, no nothing. Kissing leads to sex. Banning loli leads to the complete censorship of the media. It had to start somewhere and now that it has, there's no turning back.
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nightclock wrote...
Kissing leads to sex. That's some passionate kissing. ^__~
Loli was never my cup of tea, but I still feel bad for the rest of you ;(
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nightclock wrote...
List of things to do:-Delete -ALL- material related to 4chan
-Dump my 500mb loli collection... /cry
-Cry some more because the system is turning on itself
Seriously. If loli isn't ok, then how long will it be until tentacles are outlawed for being bestiality? Soon anything gore related will be taken down. What comes after that you ask? EVERYTHIGN ELSE. No violence, no lude language, no nothing. Kissing leads to sex. Banning loli leads to the complete censorship of the media. It had to start somewhere and now that it has, there's no turning back.
That's ok nightclock, we can just hide in the bush/boonies. :)
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elfen lied wrote...
this is the reason i have 2 cpu's so i can switch it when the time comes and destroy the otherThats actually a great idea, I just have all of mine on an external hard drive.
And I'm starting to get really worried about all of this happening. There are all sorts of manga and doujins of underage girls. Its not just lolicon thats in danger, a good chunk of hentai made depicts underage girls, it just doesn't state the fact that they are underage. Like Fiery_penguin_of_doom, I'm starting to despair.
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I think most of us here on Fakku will be safe as long as we stay out of trouble. Don't deal with real CP in the slightest (as if you have to be told that), don't molest little kids (again, don't need to be told that), and don't order stuff through the mail that contains lolicon of any sort. All the people convicted seem to have gotten stuff through the mail which somehow alerted the cops, and they had CP as well as lolicon, which got them in a buttload of trouble.
And don't be a hacker or a prankster if you do any serious shit.
If the cops have no reason to suspect you of a serious crime, they're not going to just run into your home and search your computer.
And don't be a hacker or a prankster if you do any serious shit.
If the cops have no reason to suspect you of a serious crime, they're not going to just run into your home and search your computer.