Why Do Americans Still Fear Muslims?

I have to say that you missed a few points on this.
Yes, all those quotes were saying about killing nonbelievers and such, but there is one absolute rules when you read the Quran: Never, ever make out their meanings separately.
I don't know what is the rule of reading Bible and any other holy books, but you surely can't do it to Quran.
And as for the quotes you posted here, that all only applies to non-believers who have taken aggressive approach to the muslims, and in fact, we are ordered not to hurt even a single strain of hair from any non-believer who do not show any sign of malignancy towards us.

I mean, it is nothinh more than an act of self defense, right? They attacked, so of course we have to retaliate back.

And you have proof of this? Where?

Not that I believe one way or another, but all you and arabguy have done is say "no, that's not true" with no proof whatsoever.

Now don't count this as a conspiracy, this is only what me and a few of my friends think may be causing some of the hate. The government instills the fear of terrorists in people because with fear, they can control a mass amount of ignorant civilians using the media because we all know that the news never lies right?(sarcasm) As long as that fear remains they think they can justify almost anything they do as long as they slap a label on the files that says "for the greater good".

I have a few Muslim friends. I won't pretend to know anything about the religion or culture because I don't. But they are people the same as you and me and not the sterotipical image of a gritty middle-eastern guy hiding in a cave holding a gun. They are (for the people I've met) the most hardworking and caring people I know and in some cases better than your adverage christian (me for example haha). Just remember that a religion doesn't make the person they truely are.

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Please direct me to the location of such an order within the Quran.

The meaning is quite clear, I think. This quote means that we only fight those who fight us, and even then, we are told not to overdo it.

I remember there were more quotes about it, but I forgot where is it. Give me a little time and I'll present it to you.

Ever since the September 11th attack on the WTC, many people are afraid or possibly even hate Muslims.
So why is there so much hate on the Muslims community and why are people being rough with them? Wasn't it just the "Individuals" who planned and went on with this action and crashed the WTC for their own selfish reason? For their own beliefs?
Many kids, teens, and young adults have been bullied, attacked and possibly even been killed from the people who are non Muslims.

So I am asking you guys this since there exist such a thing as good or bad,
Just because some individuals attacked the WTC, do you believe that ALL muslims are a threat to the community?

Oh and the pic I posted up is my work thanks from Photoshop and a good lineart :)

I never seen any Arab or Islamic hate within my small community. Is here still hate groups and 'nigger dragging'.. is there still racism? Of course their still bias and prejudgments in america. There still racism in the world. I don't hate anymore because of their religion, race, creed or nationality.. i hate them because i hate all people.

Oh by the way.. i look like a Muslim with my kufi on..... im a copic gnostic christian.. we wear the brown and grey.. in my case the us army makes me wear the olive green and burgundy one.

I am a muslim and I gotta say that people are forgetting that there are good and bad people in the world...
Big guys such as the media etc are categorizing Muslims as people need to be hated on the most and thus decreasing the human kinds mental capacity for thinking outside the box....
Im pretty disgusted with people not realizing what "Ying and Yang" means ..
that is the most worst claimed thing I heard... if your the bad guy then everybody is, really a bad example for the people.

You are mistaken. It is not Surat Al-Baqarah 2: 191. You meant Surat Al-Baqarah 2:190.

Al-Baqarah 2:191 is



Now, I wish to direct you to Surat At-Tawbah 9:11-12





Those two quotes reference the killing of polytheists who convert away from Islam.

Explain.

People aren't disliking Muslims only because of the WTC, just like people aren't disliking Christians only because of the inquisition. People tend to think it's all about some kind of mislead hatred due to propaganda or fear, but there's a lot of other reasons behind all the tension.

And no, I do not think all Muslims are a threat to society, but I do think some are. And above all I think that Islam, both as a political ideology (which it partially is, you can't deny that) and as a culture, is a problem to western societies.

I'm sure a lot of people will disagree, but that's what discussion is made for, right? And sorry if I offend anyone, it's hard not to when discussing this topic.

I agree with you on that one... since there are Muslims out there who pushes their ideas onto other people and cultures and try to make Islam a bigger religion...
I agree that the western culture and the eastern culture have a slight problem about culture and freedom with one another and that's where the problem started...
so I don't find your comments offensive at all.. im actually happy to know more about your opinion and from others.

Why do people make such idiotic sounding titles?

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Why would someone fear a Muslim? That doesn't make sense. A person's belief itself isn't something to fear. Now what a person does and intends to do is a different story.

Also if anything is feared then the reason is because it is still relevant. Heck even if the threat itself is gone the idea of it and the emotional scars left by it are still present. Like how a woman who get raped will still feel scared of being raped. Sorry for the crude example but that's what I thought best example the situation.

I won't bring religion into this because I feel anyone who continues to argue for or against it too much, as dumb piles of shit. Simply because there is nothing wrong with believing in something nor is it a wrong not to. Its like those who argue over PS3 or Xbox360. What is the point? You would both be considered immature fanboy faggots if I had my way.

Again sorry for being crude.

Um.. people will interpret things how they see fit. Like laws, religious writings and so on. People will create reason to justify their actions using any means they can. Like blaming a book for you killing a person, like blaming video games for in school violence.

However it is good that you stay to what you believe. You shouldn't let others force you to see it their way.

Most of the violence fundamentalist muslims get from their religion is from the Hamas, which is another book they hold in just as high regard as the Quran. Also, the Quran is pretty contradictory. In several verses the commands are given to send those who would go away from Allah to the god they wish they knew, implying killing them, which is where the law in Saudi Arabia, and other muslim run countries, that apostacy is punishable by death, comes from. This is also known as a part of Sharia Law, which is ordered by Islam. While at the same time in other verses, it says Allah loves all and is al forgiving, and even commands others to respect other religions. It's very inconsistent.

As far as fearing Muslims...I don't, really. I find them...silly, when they stand around saying, "DEATH TO OUR ENEMIES! ALLAH WILL HAVE YOU! DEATH TO THE INFIDELS!" It doesn't make me quiver, it makes me snicker.

It's like watching Fred Phelps and his church go to funerals to go, "Fuck faggots." It's not even offensive anymore...it's just sad...and funny.

Easy. This verse refers to the Hudaibiya Treaty, google it if you want, during the Hijrah period. This treaty is about cease of any kind of firearms between the Medina's muslims and the non-believers of Mecca. The contents of the treaty are:

1. There would be not any kind of conflict between the two for ten years.
2. No restriction is placed whether to follow Mohammed or not, however, the same applies to the other side, they can return as non-believers if they want.
3. However, the 2nd term do not apply if the subject is still underage, and must be returned to its parents' supervision. This only applies to those who changes side to Mohammed's side.
4. Whoever turns to Quraisy's side (the non-believers) must not change side anymore. Do not apply to Mohammed's side.
5. This year, Mohammed and his followers must return the Medina at all cost.
6. Next year, Mohammed and his followers are allowed to enter Mecca for 3 days to do tawaf (search in google, I can't think of appropriate words in English). The must be unarmed during their period of visit. During that 3 days period, the people of Mecca shall retreat to the hill.
7. However after that, Mohammad and/or his followers must not enter Mecca for any reason, except changing sides.

All the terms above are in effect for about ten years. However, the Quraiys break the treaty after the treaty is in effect for 8 years, 2 years earlier before the treaty's effect ends. In response to this, that verse is out, and Mohammed's side launch a charge to Mecca as the answer of this betrayal.

I mean, look at this. Imagine your country or anything you're in is making a ceasefire treaty and that treaty is broken by the other party. What would you do?

With that being said, it only the fundamentalist Muslim and Christian that are a real threat to peace. My rev is from Eygpt and his ancestors been living in peaceful cohabitation with the Muslims since the time of the great schism with in Christianity and the time of the moors and arabs Islam. It only when the British and the force evacuation of the Jews back into Palestine when shit hit the fan.. the native Jews, Christians and Muslims lived in peace unless one fucked up and started shit. Of course during the Crusades shit was bad, but the native population including the Jews and Christians fight against the pope army of terror. So to say all Muslim are terrorist and be afraid of them since they will rape your women and eat your children... literally i heard a pastor say this at a rally for bush in 2004.

People don't have to fear the true Muslims, it's the crazy jihadist using terror that the problem. In Afghanistan i never had to worry about the religion of the people there.. just the tard shoot at me holding the side ways and shoot wildly everywhere. Fuck you can't even fear them inside your own country because they can't even do terrorism right.. the fucking a-team terrorist are already dead with Shayṭān in Jahannum. Also i look like a Muslim in my olive drab kufi and brown skin... it a sin for a Muslim to kill a Muslim.. even though they tried and i have the bullet in my legs and the metal shards in my arm has testament of the fake Islam they practice.

At least zeroniv_legend provides an argument rather than repeating "You are wrong" without offering any counter evidence. If you can not doing anything more substantial then cease to wasting my time.

Also I wish to direct you to Allah's opinion on Fuhsha.



Since we're arguing over religious text, we'll obviously have two different interpretations. I see more violent verses than peaceful verses therefore Islam appears to promote violence.



The Quran.com version is

[quote="Surat At- Tawbah"O you who have believed, fight those adjacent to you of the disbelievers and let them find in you harshness. And know that Allah is with the righteous.[/quote]

Then we also have [quote="Surat Al- 'Anfal""It is not fitting for a prophet that he should have prisoners of war until he hath thoroughly subdued the land".[/quote]

Quran.com version



What leads me to the more violent interpretations of the Quran is the actions of those who supposedly follow the Quran. Honor Killings, oppression of women and the hundreds of other violations of human rights that are committed in the name of Allah. While your interpretation may be one of non-violence and self defense, doesn't mean that is the same conclusion someone else will come to. Hence why you claim it's a religion of peace and some are using the Quran as justification for mass killings and suicide bombings.

I wish to stress that I don't think Islam is outright violent but, it promotes prejudice and oppression of women. I think it is draconian along with other Abraham religions and does not work with western liberties.

I do forgot to tell you, besides Quran, there is one factor to decide before trying to "decipher" the contents of Quran itself.
It is "Hadits", the compilation of Mohammed's quote about the contents of Quran, mostly about the "confusing" verses that can be deciphered into various meaning if the decipherer is not knowledgeable about Tauhid.

I do agree that Islam does not work with western liberties. In fact, I do not quite agree with how liberal the west is (please do not argue about this, this is just personal feeling, you won't get anything by arguing).

And about the violence that the Quran promotes. First, I want to ask you, have you read the Quran from the first surah till the end? If you haven't, I suggest you do so.

And I will explain the true meaning of the verses you posted.



I do think you have mis-deciphering. First sentence: It is not for a prophet to have captives [of war] until he inflicts a massacre [upon Allah 's enemies] in the land. That does not mean that Mohammed has to massacre all non-believers. Think, it is impossible to get rid of all non-believers, believe it not. At least, not in one generation only. It's more like, the prophet must not take any captives until his mission is done. Second sentence: Some Muslims desire the commodities of this world, but Allah desires [for you] the Hereafter. And Allah is Exalted in Might and Wise. This is for those greedy soldier who fights only for the spoils of war. While taking spoils of war is indeed allowed, we do prohibit excess taking or conflict regarding the spoils of war. In fact, Allah wanted all of us not to think about the "wordly" commodities, but about the gift He will gave in afterlife.



I must tell you, all of the verses in Quran are not passed to Mohammed in the same arrangement like we know now. In fact, all the verses are passed on chronologically, it is passed during the time of need. This verse was passed when the order to fight the Qurays in Mecca was passed. During that time, the Qurays were extremely violent against Muslims. They do not hesitate to violently torture believers in public, just to cast terror on their hearts. Mohammed himself prohibits his follower to launch any violent response to this foul act. But then, this verse came out, and they are allowed to "payback."

And this is the answer about not allowing to attack innocent non-believers:



And Mohammed added



And another verse



No matter how much we hate infidels, we are not to attack them until we have the right reason to do.

It seems like those idiot radicals missed all the points I've mentioned. I do sincerely apologize, as Muslims, for those idiot radicals for just reading the verse, not even trying to dig out the deeper meaning of Quran, and not even crosscheking it with all the hadits available.

If you still have any doubts about any verses, ask me anytime, and I'll give you the real meaning of it.