Why do we remember 9/11?
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darkblack wrote...
say what! wrote...
darkblack wrote...
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/politics/62006--the-number-killed-in-the-war-on-terror-415397.htmlThis article shows how much we dont care about life, and that remembering 9/11 is just a tragicomedy that everyone is playing a part, so that they would fit in. But I dont think they really care, they just act like they do to SHOW OFF.
how do they show off?
By showing that they are part of the moment, that they care, they try to show off that they care. But we all know they dont, since we've pretty much made Afghanistan and Iraq a wealthy pool for terrorist recruitment. The next 9 11 will happen because we're not stopping terrorism. The war on terror is making more terrorists rather than taking them out... But do we stop it? Nope. We amp it up, by using more terror ourselves, and down we slide to this spiral of terror.
Nobody really cares to prevent all this shit. We only show we care. We do care when it is someone close to us, but other than that the people dont really give a shit. Did Bush take the chance to avoid the war? Nope, ( http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/bush-rejects-taliban-offer-to-surrender-bin-laden-631436.html ) he ignored the taliban's offer to surrender Bin Laden. And the Afghanistan and Iraqi people suffered by our desire for revenge.
What's next you say?? Well there's Iran... the minute we go down that road, we'll see something much worse than 9 11.... much much worse. But we dont care.
So if any one shows respect or gives condolence to those who lost their lives that means they showing off. I guess I'm showing off then.
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On 9-11-01, I remember waking up by myself, which was odd, seeing as how my mom would come in and wake me up usually. I remember it being overcast very much like it is today in Ventura. I remember my parents watching the new TV the had just bought in their bed room, now 10 years old, and they watched the news with a sad expression on their faces. I later went to school and all the teachers seemed upset. I also remember getting a free bottled water from my friend Marcus. That's about it. Never forget.
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say what! wrote...
darkblack wrote...
say what! wrote...
darkblack wrote...
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/politics/62006--the-number-killed-in-the-war-on-terror-415397.htmlThis article shows how much we dont care about life, and that remembering 9/11 is just a tragicomedy that everyone is playing a part, so that they would fit in. But I dont think they really care, they just act like they do to SHOW OFF.
how do they show off?
By showing that they are part of the moment, that they care, they try to show off that they care. But we all know they dont, since we've pretty much made Afghanistan and Iraq a wealthy pool for terrorist recruitment. The next 9 11 will happen because we're not stopping terrorism. The war on terror is making more terrorists rather than taking them out... But do we stop it? Nope. We amp it up, by using more terror ourselves, and down we slide to this spiral of terror.
Nobody really cares to prevent all this shit. We only show we care. We do care when it is someone close to us, but other than that the people dont really give a shit. Did Bush take the chance to avoid the war? Nope, ( http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/bush-rejects-taliban-offer-to-surrender-bin-laden-631436.html ) he ignored the taliban's offer to surrender Bin Laden. And the Afghanistan and Iraqi people suffered by our desire for revenge.
What's next you say?? Well there's Iran... the minute we go down that road, we'll see something much worse than 9 11.... much much worse. But we dont care.
So if any one shows respect or gives condolence to those who lost their lives that means they showing off. I guess I'm showing off then.
You probably give a shit, I don't know that. It's up to you what you think, if you think ur showing off, then fine. But for the most part, people don't give a shit enough to prevent shit like this.
It's like a CEO of some cigarette company going to a lung cancer victim's funeral, and says condolences, but the next day keeps selling cigarettes... It's like the government saying they are anti drug, but deals in large drug trafficking in other parts of the world...
nobody really gives a shit. but +1 to you for being honest.
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darkblack wrote...
say what! wrote...
darkblack wrote...
say what! wrote...
darkblack wrote...
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/politics/62006--the-number-killed-in-the-war-on-terror-415397.htmlThis article shows how much we dont care about life, and that remembering 9/11 is just a tragicomedy that everyone is playing a part, so that they would fit in. But I dont think they really care, they just act like they do to SHOW OFF.
how do they show off?
By showing that they are part of the moment, that they care, they try to show off that they care. But we all know they dont, since we've pretty much made Afghanistan and Iraq a wealthy pool for terrorist recruitment. The next 9 11 will happen because we're not stopping terrorism. The war on terror is making more terrorists rather than taking them out... But do we stop it? Nope. We amp it up, by using more terror ourselves, and down we slide to this spiral of terror.
Nobody really cares to prevent all this shit. We only show we care. We do care when it is someone close to us, but other than that the people dont really give a shit. Did Bush take the chance to avoid the war? Nope, ( http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/bush-rejects-taliban-offer-to-surrender-bin-laden-631436.html ) he ignored the taliban's offer to surrender Bin Laden. And the Afghanistan and Iraqi people suffered by our desire for revenge.
What's next you say?? Well there's Iran... the minute we go down that road, we'll see something much worse than 9 11.... much much worse. But we dont care.
So if any one shows respect or gives condolence to those who lost their lives that means they showing off. I guess I'm showing off then.
You probably give a shit, I don't know that. It's up to you what you think, if you think ur showing off, then fine. But for the most part, people don't give a shit enough to prevent shit like this.
It's like a CEO of some cigarette company going to a lung cancer victim's funeral, and says condolences, but the next day keeps selling cigarettes... It's like the government saying they are anti drug, but deals in large drug trafficking in other parts of the world...
nobody really gives a shit. but +1 to you for being honest.
Now that I think about it I see what you are saying
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everyone says "you will never forget where you where on 9/11" and that's a lie because I have totally forgotten. I also don't get why we remember it, yes people died and that does suck, but people die all the time, a person dies every 5 seconds. Also most people don't really care about the people who dies "death of one is a tragedy the death of millions is a statistic" but they just get swept up in the moment. Also did you know that 2% of all Jenga games are played on 9/11, I helped add to that number today.
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I'm pretty sure everyone will remember the Japanese tsunami for years to come, especially thanks to the whole nuclear issue that arose from it.
The difference between 9/11 and natural disasters is that this was cause by fellow humans. It just goes to show how sick and far from perfect some of us actually are. There was no reason whatsoever for all those people to die.
Irregardless of how you feel, or how little it affected you, 9/11 is without doubt the most significant event of this century. So, it's kinda stupid for you to even ask why we remember the event clearly up to this day. 9/11 is a lot more than thousand of innocent people dying. Those planes hitting the WTC changed the entire landscape of the world.
The difference between 9/11 and natural disasters is that this was cause by fellow humans. It just goes to show how sick and far from perfect some of us actually are. There was no reason whatsoever for all those people to die.
MrShadowzs wrote...
everyone says "you will never forget where you where on 9/11" and that's a lie because I have totally forgotten. I also don't get why we remember it, yes people died and that does suck, but people die all the time, a person dies every 5 seconds. Also most people don't really care about the people who dies "death of one is a tragedy the death of millions is a statistic" but they just get swept up in the moment. Also did you know that 2% of all Jenga games are played on 9/11, I helped add to that number today.Irregardless of how you feel, or how little it affected you, 9/11 is without doubt the most significant event of this century. So, it's kinda stupid for you to even ask why we remember the event clearly up to this day. 9/11 is a lot more than thousand of innocent people dying. Those planes hitting the WTC changed the entire landscape of the world.
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We remember it because everyone makes a big deal out of it. It is viewed as extreme disrespect to accuse the remembrance as unnecessary or annoying, so there's nothing we can do about it.
I was actually asking the exact question today, but I didn't get any good answers. It was a tragedy on our soil, but that's it
on a side note, I'm still suspicious as to how the towers fell straight down
I was actually asking the exact question today, but I didn't get any good answers. It was a tragedy on our soil, but that's it
on a side note, I'm still suspicious as to how the towers fell straight down
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Lelouch24 wrote...
We remember it because everyone makes a big deal out of it. It is viewed as extreme disrespect to accuse the remembrance as unnecessary or annoying, so there's nothing we can do about it.I was actually asking the exact question today, but I didn't get any good answers. It was a tragedy on our soil, but that's it
on a side note, I'm still suspicious as to how the towers fell straight down
Long read:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=3193850&postcount=68
There's your answer about the towers. There's no conspiracy. Anyone who believes them is nothing more than an ignorant idiot. The towers collapsed like that to prevent collateral damage to surrounding buildings. They were designed to collapsed like that.
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Because it was a terrorist attack that killed innocent people, and destroyed a symbolic location to many people.
Is it really so bad to take one day to remember those who were killed?
Is it really so bad to take one day to remember those who were killed?
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catgirlfetish wrote...
QQ moar, after 10 years people still fucking emo around about this shit lol.You make me sick.
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Black Jesus JC wrote...
Because it was a terrorist attack that killed innocent people, and destroyed a symbolic location to many people.Is it really so bad to take one day to remember those who were killed?
I think the question should be, "Why don't we spend more time remembering those that died?"
The Japanese tsunami has been brought up, so I'll use it as an example. A little less than ten years from now, will we hold a memorial for the over 15,000 people that died in the tsunami? Will we devote countless hours of television to the event, which has had, and will continue to have, drastic ramifications? I highly doubt it.
The 9/11 attacks killed a lot of people, were a landmark attack on American soil by foreigners, and resulted in a lot of changes (if the attacks had never occurred, we wouldn't have full-body-scan machines at airports, for one thing). We should remember that they occurred. But other things happen, too, that result in many deaths, can create a snowball effect that results in even more deaths, and can drastically change how a nation acts and is run.
I think for Americans, it is easy to remember 9/11 because two very tall buildings are gone, and anybody flying on a plane has to go through a lot of hassle. It is easy for us to be reminded of what happened, so we cannot forget about it, unlike with other things. (How many people think about the disaster in New Orleans due to Hurricane Katrina?) But we do not think about upheavals in other countries or genocides or other things that occur outside our boundaries, outside what we experience ourselves.
Remembering 9/11 is fine, but why don't we remember everything else that happens in the world?
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Many people still can't get over the fact that the United States isn't infallible. Ever since the end of the second World War there has been a general trend towards complaceny with the people of this country. Sure, there were wars here and there and minor skirmishes that showed the world didn't revolved around the United States, but it wasn't until another direct threat on our soil that many people opened their eyes.
The part that upsets me, is the media frenzy it causes. Don't get me wrong, we shouldn't just up and forget 9/11, but mourn on your own time, in your own privacy. Making a media spectacle of an event that happened ten years ago is pathetic, no matter how you want to spin the thread.
The part that upsets me, is the media frenzy it causes. Don't get me wrong, we shouldn't just up and forget 9/11, but mourn on your own time, in your own privacy. Making a media spectacle of an event that happened ten years ago is pathetic, no matter how you want to spin the thread.
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[font=verdana][color=green]In all honesty, 9/11 is merely used so the American Government can still justify invading many other foreign countries.
However, despite 9/11 being a tragic event, you never see other countries worry so much about terrorist events that occurred in their country i.e. Britain's 7/7 terrorist attacks don't attract much media attention this many years later; The Madrid terrorist attacks on the trains I hardly ever hear of, if at all. I doubt that the events that happened in Norway this year will ever attract as much media attention in Norway as 9/11 does now.
But then again, I'm not really surprised in a country that still celebrates Independence Day over 200 years later or still clings to it's Constitution in legal matters that never would have been in the creators' mindset at the time.
They just need to learn to move on. The rest of the world does it easy enough.
However, despite 9/11 being a tragic event, you never see other countries worry so much about terrorist events that occurred in their country i.e. Britain's 7/7 terrorist attacks don't attract much media attention this many years later; The Madrid terrorist attacks on the trains I hardly ever hear of, if at all. I doubt that the events that happened in Norway this year will ever attract as much media attention in Norway as 9/11 does now.
But then again, I'm not really surprised in a country that still celebrates Independence Day over 200 years later or still clings to it's Constitution in legal matters that never would have been in the creators' mindset at the time.
They just need to learn to move on. The rest of the world does it easy enough.
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Renovartio wrote...
Mr.Shaggnificent wrote...
spectre257 wrote...
Mr.Shaggnificent wrote...
The more people harp on it, the more the terrorist get what they wanted imo.QFT ^^
The fact people are so freaked out over terrorists ever since 9/11 they've basically won a psychological victory over the American people.
A strong nation and it's people should remember but be able to move on, not be stuck reliving the past.
terrorists are like a child having a tantrum and should be treated as such. the best way to deal with them is to ignore them. paying attention only encourages their behaviour. it may get worse at first, but once they see that it's no longer having the desired effect, they will eventualy give up.
you trolling?
i don't mean we should stop setting the army on them, just stop spending so much time QQing in the media. with out the media coverage, they will have to find another way for the world to pay attention to them.
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I can't speak for everyone else but I remember 9/11 because one of my family member and close family friends got killed in the 105th floor in one of those towers.
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K-1 wrote...
Black Jesus JC wrote...
Because it was a terrorist attack that killed innocent people, and destroyed a symbolic location to many people.Is it really so bad to take one day to remember those who were killed?
I think the question should be, "Why don't we spend more time remembering those that died?"
The Japanese tsunami has been brought up, so I'll use it as an example. A little less than ten years from now, will we hold a memorial for the over 15,000 people that died in the tsunami? Will we devote countless hours of television to the event, which has had, and will continue to have, drastic ramifications? I highly doubt it.
The 9/11 attacks killed a lot of people, were a landmark attack on American soil by foreigners, and resulted in a lot of changes (if the attacks had never occurred, we wouldn't have full-body-scan machines at airports, for one thing). We should remember that they occurred. But other things happen, too, that result in many deaths, can create a snowball effect that results in even more deaths, and can drastically change how a nation acts and is run.
I think for Americans, it is easy to remember 9/11 because two very tall buildings are gone, and anybody flying on a plane has to go through a lot of hassle. It is easy for us to be reminded of what happened, so we cannot forget about it, unlike with other things. (How many people think about the disaster in New Orleans due to Hurricane Katrina?) But we do not think about upheavals in other countries or genocides or other things that occur outside our boundaries, outside what we experience ourselves.
Remembering 9/11 is fine, but why don't we remember everything else that happens in the world?
There is a difference between a natural disaster and a preemtive attack numbnuts.
Sure a person can morn those that died but it happened in a different country. Thats like asking why Iraq doesn't celebrate the 4th of July.
Also what the fuck are you talking about? There is a lot of people who donated money and also those who still remember the tsunami, but why should they dedicate a whole day to it? Hey even for other disasters there are lots of people who donate when they can. Hey America even have relief efforts for those countries. So why are you saying such dumbshit?
A single person cannot worry about the well being of each person nor every country. Why should they? They are not obligated to do such a thing.
Also what the fuck are you on about? Why are you bringing up the fucking airport when that has so little to do with the actual topic? Okay how about this, if there is an attack in your country on the same scale of 9/11 from a terrorist group and lots of people die maybe even a relative of yours. If you make a thread about it a year later why don't I quote this post and say the same shit to you?
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We remember 9/11 because of a disaster that wouldn't be predicted. People we're just working on a day then suddenly a plane crashed into a build known as the twin towers its not like they knew a plane was crashing down towards them.
Not only that but it traumatized so much people.
Also for those fucks who put up"Happy" 9/11 next to their facebook pages and etc its not a holiday to celebrate for those who died.its a memorial day.A day that we we're attacked and many people who we're killed and traumatized for the rest of their lives.
Why don't you shoot yourself while your at it.it makes the world better having less assholes like you around
Not only that but it traumatized so much people.
Also for those fucks who put up"Happy" 9/11 next to their facebook pages and etc its not a holiday to celebrate for those who died.its a memorial day.A day that we we're attacked and many people who we're killed and traumatized for the rest of their lives.
QQ moar, after 10 years people still fucking emo around about this shit lol.
Why don't you shoot yourself while your at it.it makes the world better having less assholes like you around
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Personally I don't think money should be spent on remembering the dead at all it should be spent on making sure more people don't end up that way.
The 9/11 attacks have become somewhat of a cultural symbol they will never be forgotten because without 9/11 the conquests of Iraq and Afghanistan would have remained impossible. While I do not wish to upset the victims or their families I would like to remind them that the subsequent decade has resulted in "hundreds of thousands" of deaths in Iraq and Afghanistan - I quote the figure that was put to ex NY Mayor Guillani on Hardtalk to ask if he still supported the war effort. In Pakistan more than 3000 people die every year thanks to terrorism.
If you insist on making such a big deal of it though - it is pertinent to look into the reasons behind why such an incident took place at all - Al Qaida headed by Osama Bin Laden disgruntled by America's support of violent dictators and the Saudi Royal Family (The house of Saud - put in place after WW1) wanted to send a message to the American Govt and indirectly to the American people - declaring that their continued hand in Arab politics would not be tolerated without resistance - (Yes he killed lots of civilians yes he did a wrong thing but what choice did he have "please mr president could you stop what you're doing?") I think not.
In response the US decided that it would hit back with the exact same indiscriminate force that they were attacked with only this time civillian deaths would be far far more than 3000 and a number of Muslim countries would be occupied destabilised and sent to hell and back- with a "that'll teach em" mindset - of course an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind - and now you have a giant recruitment ground for Al qaida to take advantage of.
We remember 9/11 because it helps us justify the waging of bloody wars - one memory played over and over again (I doubt this does much to console the bereaved either) Helps us fight this losing battle against an ideology - something that exists in the mind and cannot be defeated by bullets.
The 9/11 attacks have become somewhat of a cultural symbol they will never be forgotten because without 9/11 the conquests of Iraq and Afghanistan would have remained impossible. While I do not wish to upset the victims or their families I would like to remind them that the subsequent decade has resulted in "hundreds of thousands" of deaths in Iraq and Afghanistan - I quote the figure that was put to ex NY Mayor Guillani on Hardtalk to ask if he still supported the war effort. In Pakistan more than 3000 people die every year thanks to terrorism.
If you insist on making such a big deal of it though - it is pertinent to look into the reasons behind why such an incident took place at all - Al Qaida headed by Osama Bin Laden disgruntled by America's support of violent dictators and the Saudi Royal Family (The house of Saud - put in place after WW1) wanted to send a message to the American Govt and indirectly to the American people - declaring that their continued hand in Arab politics would not be tolerated without resistance - (Yes he killed lots of civilians yes he did a wrong thing but what choice did he have "please mr president could you stop what you're doing?") I think not.
In response the US decided that it would hit back with the exact same indiscriminate force that they were attacked with only this time civillian deaths would be far far more than 3000 and a number of Muslim countries would be occupied destabilised and sent to hell and back- with a "that'll teach em" mindset - of course an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind - and now you have a giant recruitment ground for Al qaida to take advantage of.
We remember 9/11 because it helps us justify the waging of bloody wars - one memory played over and over again (I doubt this does much to console the bereaved either) Helps us fight this losing battle against an ideology - something that exists in the mind and cannot be defeated by bullets.
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Renovartio wrote...
There is a difference between a natural disaster and a preemtive attack numbnuts. Sure a person can morn those that died but it happened in a different country. Thats like asking why Iraq doesn't celebrate the 4th of July.
Also what the fuck are you talking about? There is a lot of people who donated money and also those who still remember the tsunami, but why should they dedicate a whole day to it? Hey even for other disasters there are lots of people who donate when they can. Hey America even have relief efforts for those countries. So why are you saying such dumbshit?
A single person cannot worry about the well being of each person nor every country. Why should they? They are not obligated to do such a thing.
Also what the fuck are you on about? Why are you bringing up the fucking airport when that has so little to do with the actual topic? Okay how about this, if there is an attack in your country on the same scale of 9/11 from a terrorist group and lots of people die maybe even a relative of yours. If you make a thread about it a year later why don't I quote this post and say the same shit to you?
I was merely stating that if we value human life, and the loss of it, then we should mourn all the incredible losses of life, not simply the ones that affect us directly. I did not say that people should not remember 9/11 (I stated as such several times, in fact), only that people should remember other things, too. There have been terrorist attacks in other countries, even within the past year.
Americans should not be egocentric and think that the only things that matter are those that happen in their own country. I say this as an American.
Sorry for the misunderstanding.