What VN are you playing? What do you think about it?

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Kaimax Best Master-San
Still playing Rance 01, it's just as cryptic as the original. I spent more than 5 (in game time) days trying to figure out how to progress, to found out that I need to get something from the same dungeon as the character who needs it.. lol

I'm now stuck again after encountering Kaname for the 2nd time, I have to search the castle, but just don't know the trigger to the events...orz
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That cryptic huh? Well I have more trouble trying to beat the enemies while keeping full health and items for the bosses - it can be a little harsh to progress through dungeons if you don't try and memorize and plan for the paths. Double CD 1 Shields, 1 Constant Dagger, 1 CD 1 Sword, and single use attack boost items X 2 just to beat the Thief Boss. The difficulty's as challenging as ever >_>~

Though at least I actually enjoying playing this as compared to my first impression of Rance Quest. They even bring back the old Visual Novel conversation style! Hurray!

EDIT: Playing Baldr Sky Zero. Now this feels a little weird, because during the brief history lesson I was shown a map of my own country - literally - and apparently the red blotted areas are places that were completely polluted and uninhabitable by human life.

The thing is, that part of my country? It's absolutely teeming with a shit tonne of trees; place's literally a goddamn jungle most of the time. Even with the usual logging I can't really see it being gone before the other part of my country, which has already lost most of its greenery except the few national parks. So this is weird, like really weird. >_>
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Just starting the redone rance 1 that came out a few days ago. Amusing so far. They changed and added quite a bit. New dialogue and more context about the world really. Also of course music, graphics, combat system etc. Not sure what I think of the new system yet since Ive only used it briefly while travelling to the city but it seems alright. Reminicent of hack slash thrust (or whatever it is called, the sengoku minigame) kind of but tis its own thing.

Also sort of playing rq magnum still. I finished the campaign 2 days ago but there is still the whole 2nd world thingy I might try out plus finishing the misc remaining quests. Should keep me busy for the next month. Im actually glad I had to wait a couple years before I could read it in order to improve my japanese because it sounds like the original game, prior to updates, was a bit grindy and without the magnum campaign the experience wouldve been a bit of a let down. Anyway, I had lotso fun with it for the past couple months.

After these two I plan on either galzoo or finally muvluv alternative.
Read muvluv last spring and I keep stalling on alternative.
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baldr sky zero:
encountered game crashing bug on sakura route chapt 10
saw some posts on giga's support forums regarding other crashes at possibly the same segment

>>avoid sakura route if possible update to v1.02
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Kaimax Best Master-San
LovelyXCAtion 2, September Append is out...(I'm late at it though)
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How did you crash specifically? Because I found a walkthrough (very crude though) where the player did go through Chapter 10 without a hitch, and he didn't seem to have crash problems. Though he may have neglected mentioning it or I just misread a few lines since it's in Japanese.

EDIT: Patch 1.02 is up; it seems to fix the crashing issue you encountered (was not mentioned specifically in the patch log).
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specifically it crashed while transitioning to battle mode a while after an event where your cell gets visual confirmation of cancer

and yeah 1.02 fixed that crash np
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Well it still crashed on me during last 2 fights of Chapter 10 (Good god that has to be some of the hardest battles I have to go through yet; the lack of heal-on-kill in battle severely increased the game's difficulty since I use full melee -_-"), but after a restart the problem is gone.

Btw, is there any way at all to pause during battle? In the past you can just tap 'Esc' and pause the game but right now, even during the normal scenes, tapping 'Esc' does not bring up the system screen. Can't find such a button either in the key config. Is it just me, or is it fixed...?
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>>only tested on one mission

while testing for pause functionality i realised that you can pause during battle mode by clicking on the 'close window' button (in windowed display)

clicking on that will also prompt a "do you really want to exit?" dialog box

the funny thing is that when you try to return to the battle by selecting "no", the game will resume and the enemies would not target you at all

need testers lol
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Kaimax Best Master-San
chaosbreak wrote...
the funny thing is that when you try to return to the battle by selecting "no", the game will resume and the enemies would not target you at all

need testers lol


Haven't started playing yet, but that sounds hilarious. That's really a game breaking bug. XD

-just installed the game, postponing Rance 1, because I got stuck looking for Kaname....

STUPID POST EDIT
http://alicesoft.wikia.com/wiki/Rance_1:_Walkthrough (Well, at least it can give me pointers on what to do)
FACEPALM....I'm going to play it from scratch...
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Well, I finished Harukoi Otome so here's my thoughts.

First of all. I've noticed that this title isn't getting as much as the usual attention other titles have. Just look at VNDB. There's only 86 votes which I find surprising. I guess that this is happening because of the release of Grisaia no Kajitsu. Besides being a much better VN than Harukoi Otome what will obviously take all the attention from this game, it also sort of gave some pretty high expectations from the readers and that demotivates them from reading this VN. Well, this is just conjecture on my part so naturally, what I say may not apply to all users.

Essentially, I believe that Harukoi Otome is all about expectations. You'll be hardly surprised by anything you see. The common route can be sometimes boring and other times relatively decent but the routes themselves actually improve the experience. Going through them makes me think that the game succeeds on being a moege.

Let's talk about two characters that usually try to amuse us:
- There's Oikawa that will hunt you down since the beginning trying to be funny. Sometimes, I felt a bit amused by him but many times I felt rather annoyed. At least the writer could make him a bit of a more likeable character or give him better jokes.
- The Natsufuyu duo is an amusing couple honestly. The way they add up lines to each other is something I like reading. My only complain is that on very few occasions the situation where they go on and on isn't that funny. At least, I didn't felt that amused.

There's something that seriously needs to be said because it'll hunt you the whole game. The protagonist isn't very mature so in pretty much all routes you'll find him unable to figure out what he should be doing. To take a look at himself and at the issue objectively and try to solve it as soon as possible. I think that in Kisaya's route this wasn't that much of a problem because the protagonist is actually pro-active but on the other routes you'll see the protagonist being depressed for a long time without coming up with a solution. And it goes on and on until he actually talks with someone. Well, I for one actually don't feel annoyed reading these types of issues but I can easily see someone feeling bothered by it. Additionally, the way the story develops with the protagonist acting this way actually doesn't feel forced.

A positive point that can be said regarding all the routes is that they're consistent and won't feel rushed (except for Yuika's right on the end and Ayaka that felt very anti-climatic when it was actually going good). Also, character development along with interactions between characters feel natural.
A not so good point is the fact that the epilogue is there just for some h-scenes.

The BGM to accompany the game is quite generic. I don't specifically remember any track but they at least addapted somewhat to the game atmosphere on most occasions. They could be better though. Other thing related to the BGM is that it repeats quite a lot and may prove to be somewhat tiring to the reader. Given the great lenght Harukoi Otome has the developer could at least have put more diversity on the BGM.

I actually liked the art. It's true that in some cases it could use some work but I didn't feel bothered by it. Some expressions that Umi for example made were adorable to see.

Regarding the voices, there is better voice acting out there but they're not bad to listen.

At first I was thinking of giving Harukoi Otome a 7 / 10. But considering all aspects of the VN (like the BGM repetition) I decided to lower it to a 6.5/10. Basically, it's a decent read but don't be expecting something truly good.
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NOW I finally know who's that mysterious, missing heroine in Baldr Sky Zero is. Unfortunately it's going to spoiler things so I won't mention anything, but heck, I was wondering why there are only 5 female heroines in total. But now, now I see, there ARE 6 of them after all...

AHHHHHHH this is such an obvious setup for Baldr Sky Zero 2, and yet they don't seem to be releasing it any time soon! I'm already regretting playing this so early aaaaaaaagghhhhhh
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Type-Moon can we be honest and say "they want to fuck" instead of "the only way to save you is a complex magical ritual that involves insertion of a penis into a vagina. And mouth. And anus. And breasts. Many times. Just to be safe" or better yet "I have a raging demon inside (of my pants) that demands sacrifice. Bring me the virgin!" Well at least the scenario makes sense and besides nobody reads Type-Moon eroge for the ero.
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I think one should play Baldr Sky Zero with Translator on. I've been reading Japanese for a long time but even this is a little hard for me to swallow, especially when the mystery thickens to the point that even with full comprehension deduction is near... how to say... overcomplicated? This is some dark shit though, seriously. Fran's route revealed a lot of terrible things that I would never want to see in real life. >_>

EDIT: Ugaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhh there's so many battles in Fran's route, and everything's so serious, and the environment is so CONFINED that I feel like the air's being choked out of me holy SHIT. Feels like my freaking brain's melting or something. -_-"
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WideEyedMan wrote...
Type-Moon can we be honest and say "they want to fuck" instead of "the only way to save you is a complex magical ritual that involves insertion of a penis into a vagina. And mouth. And anus. And breasts. Many times. Just to be safe" or better yet "I have a raging demon inside (of my pants) that demands sacrifice. Bring me the virgin!" Well at least the scenario makes sense and besides nobody reads Type-Moon eroge for the ero.


Talking about Type-moon h-scenes made me remember a post on VNDB. It's this one. I'll just quote it:
How... how can anyone get a boner with Nasu sex scenes? They are hilariously bad. And it's not only the seafood references, but also Shirou's catholic guilt. Bitch totally HATES his dick for some unknown reason ("My grotesque and enlarged member enters her cave of carnal pleasures. I pull out, I look down. It is ugly. It is filthy. It is disgusting. It's wrong. WrongwrongwrongwRongwRONGOHGAWDKILLMENAU)


I couldn't help but laugh a bit while I read this.
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Oh wow, Fran Route, Kadakura Kou, you!~

Spoiler:
Murdered every single person in the protective shelter just to get information on Derekswhatever Organization for revenge? Holy SHIT, man!


Anyway, Fran's Route is basically - following the steps its predecessor Baldr Sky Dive 1, Chizuru Route - the absolutely darkest route that you would find in the entire series (of Zero). Basically, the absolute worst of the worst happened and even though the ultimate disaster was prevented in the end, things did not look bright. In fact, it's so dark and wriggling with corpses that I thank god they did not put any gore CGs into the game (even though I wished they did, it was a waste not to have any), because I would have nightmares worse than the apocalypse itself.

The truth was NOT resolved in the end - as expected - and a shit load of people died which unbelievable was the LIGHTEST part of the evil presented. I almost felt happy to see people die, because the alternative in Zero is so much more terrible. I must admit that I am impressed at how... creative the writer is when depicting the various way humans can be exploited thoroughly.

Like, seriously. I don't understand half of what Fran's Route is saying due to the lack of second translation texts (H code not yet out) and still I could barely understand the horror inside it. If the CG maker would dare to put some serious gore into the game this would've been absolutely terrifying. Hell.

The worst part is, even though you thought by going through Fran's Good End things were SUPPOSED to end well (like the other 2 routes are), well... You'll have to finish it to understand what I mean. To put it bluntly, it did not SOUND like it ended well.

Poor Maleru...

Holy bloody crap, man.
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@zolnir

are there any more routes after fran?

there are still stuff left unexplored (black dog syndrome, unidentified wizard,GTIce)

copypasta'd from 2ch
Spoiler:
マレルの正体→不明
マレル撃破されるとドックタグ消失、本体ムーブ→本体の行き先不明
敵のウィザード→不明
チャーリーの話す謎言語→不明
出てこない残りの賞金首→不明
エドやSASのGT.ICEの謎→不明
チャリー22が砂嵐を操れる理由→不明
チャーリー22のリーダーがやろうとしてた事の内容&とめたAI?の正体=不明
リーナがシュミクラムにのらない事を聞かないほうが良い理由→頭打ったってのは気楽に話してるし別の理由?
スコールのコアが中央にない理由→不明
クララの親→不明
ゴミ拾い大先生の目的や麦わら帽子を作った理由→不明


and wtf is mareru's back story anyway? all i got were cryptic allusions of mareru's significance and involvement towards the plans of the factions in the story (エルピス/charlie/church22/walrus)

either way seems like a sequel is in line

マクシーム大佐ルート決定!!w

++++++
Spoiler:
and oh ya gunshot at the end
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Definitely a sequel incoming. I can't tell you exactly what Mareru is, but I can definitely tell you that:

Spoiler:
Despite Mareru seemed to have 'died' after being killed in every route, she is in fact NOT dead. The 'human electronic body' she currently held is a fake - a created thing, or borrowed from dead people, whatever - and if she truly knew her true self, I believe she could probably use a near infinite amount of electronic bodies and come back.

There are two possibilities where Mareru Moved after she died. One, she was moved to within Edward's GT Ice-confined brain chip. Two, she was moved back into the Baldr System. The second assumption is the best assumption, considering Walrus' motivation:

1) Mareru is an Agent, and Walrus is the Executor. The Walrus' acts for the sake of Ultimate World Peace, so naturally Mareru is the Symbol of their motive.

In fact Walrus has been acting completely for Mareru's sake. Remember, the Walrus acts for complete World Peace - we can easily see that from Mareru's occasional burst of self thought - and to do that, they REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF BODY COUNT TO NEAR ZERO, even if it means slaughtering billions of people to achieve it. Mareru's simple wish was for that no one to die other than natural reasons (maybe not even natural reasons?).

Flint said it himself, "Stay that way. You'll be fine just like that."

2) We can assume that Walrus' ultimate motive is to protect Mareru at all cost, and therefore they allow absolutely no one to go near the Baldr System. Even at the end of Fran Route the Baldr Machine shut down all channels and did not allow anyone access inside it.

So whatever Mareru is (very like a human in her previous life, though I would not be surprised if she's a Machine - maybe even the Baldr Machine itself - who became self-aware) a second entity within the Baldr System. She is the only entity that is preventing Noin-zen from gaining complete control of the Baldr Machine and execute his plans, and even then the Doku whatever Organization is actively trying to regain control.

While Mareru was gone and became the Wired Ghost Edward knew, Noin-zen probably gained back control over Baldr System and did terrible things completely without her knowing. As we could see from Sakura's Route Mareru seemed to have realized her true self and was actively trying to commit suicide, while helping Edward along the way. She was trying to kill her human electronic body so she could be moved back to the Baldr Machine and stop Noin-Zen.

In all the routes where Mareru had died, not once did the Baldr Machine had gone berserk (like we know from Baldr Sky Dive) and in Sakura's Normal End they literally lived for forty years without incident.

But I do think that in Fran's route, Noin-zen eventually regained control of the Baldr Machine, and in just 2 years too. That's because Edward's choice of living was very dark as compared to the previous heroines - by accepting murder and death for his beliefs, instead of denying it - and he literally, LITERALLY chose to shoot through Kei just to try and kill Wotan. In that sense, he killed Mareru's hope as well and she succumbed to despair far more quickly than any of the other routes. Perhaps she had already died then and Noin-zen regained control.

As we know, the Baldr Machine is hidden underground of Mitospia, and Fran and Edward are living there. I won't be surprised at all if the gunfire we heard was a sniper killing Edward, while living a dazed Fran alive for further experiments as a Connector. We already know GOAT's affiliation with the Connector System.



Phew... that's a long one. Now, for the mysterious 6th heroine that has yet to be revealed:

Spoiler:


The mysterious entity that stopped Charge 22 from releasing the deadly materials and kill everyone. I deduce that it's Kei's supposedly dead twin sister. Unlike Fran - in her Normal End - where her humanity was completely destroyed and became something like a robotic AI, Kei's sister also has the Computer Syndrome and did not commit suicide as Fran did. As we know the people who have Computer Syndrome eventually lose themselves between the real and virtual world, and the effects on their real body became insignificant over time. It's been a while so I don't remember the details, but these people - if their humanity is not destroyed yet - eventually became one with the AI, so it's entirely possible that Kei has became some kind of a half-human/half-AI as well, even though she lost her real body completely.
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Spoiler:
i dont really remember the facts from baldr sky but your theory does require the baldr machine mareru is based on to be the exact same one that 19 imprinted his consciousness on? that or the all the baldr machines must be somehow linked in order for what happened in SAS to affect the course of events outside of the region. either way, the game just leaves so much stuff hanging unexplained D:


Spoiler:
but wasnt mei killed and dismembered before she could reach the terminal stages of 電脳症? i guess her brains could still have been experimented on afterwards, in order for mei to play a part in stopping raymond as an AI in sakura's route (<- was this the scene you were referring to?)
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Yes, that was the part I was referring too. Here's a few thoughts.

Spoiler:

1) Imagine you're Mei, connected to a terminal (can't imagine her not connected to one, since virtual is the only place she can run free, like Sora's sister love for virtual as well), and suddenly some strangers came to you with the intentions of butchering and selling your organs, perhaps even together with the adult you had trusted all your life.

So somehow her 'self' must've tried to escape to the virtual, and through a sequence of luck (or misfortune) she became a wired ghost that live on even though her real body was gone.

2) The simple theory is of course, someone experimented on her brain and she became AI... somehow. One of the experiments we see in Fran's routes involves Computer Syndrome patients, correct?

3) There was a Baldr Machine there at their hometown as well. Suspicious as hell, don't you think?



Regarding Mareru's True End, I really can't guess. This is how I believe the ending might go:

Spoiler:

1) Badly. As we know Noin Zen eventually made apocalypse came true, and every single man in the planet - all organic substances - was wiped by the Assembler. The eventual outcome is set, no matter whether Mareru's ending ended happily or not. So it's no surprise to me if Edward and Mareru died a heroic death as they sacrificed themselves in hopes of delaying Noin-zen, and Edward perhaps trusting Kadakura Kou, the one in the center of everything, to end the evil once and for all.

2) That it actually ended well. If my theory is correct and Mareru is an entity trapped/born/whatever inside the Baldr Machine, then Edward would definitely try to save her no matter what.

In Fran's route Edward once asked Mareru to choose between 2 choices - I don't quite remember what they are, except that they both require sacrifices, and Mareru being herself said that she would not accept the 2 choices as it doesn't make everyone happy.

So in Mareru's route Edward would definitely act in accordance to her will as well. He would never let Mareru become the sacrifice she tries to be (in order to stop Noin-zen), and would attempt to save her from the Baldr Machine.

When questioned by Mareru if Edward would sacrifice all of humanity just to save her, Edward would probably say that he would save both humanity AND her, that is, the third choice and dream Mareru believed in where everyone is happy.

The point of Baldr Sky Zero, I suppose, is exactly who gave Kadakura Kou the motivation to hope again, and how. We see from Baldr Sky Dive X where he lost his innocence and coldly murdered a surrendered personnel because his naivety has caused his a close friend's death in the past. We never actually see how he manages to pull himself out of that slump, and well, Edward is that inspiration to Kadakura Kou.


I'm really liking this protagonist, honestly, and I perhaps like him even more than Kou already. I mean heck, it takes BALLS to openly talk about his sexual relationship with Fran and all those details and be PROUD of it. The amount of embarrassment would've caused Kou to have a heart attack and die already, if he was forced to act like Edward.
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