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Many people carry a taser or pepper spray but, usually women carry those and sometimes they just aren't effective. Tasers also run the risk of killing people who use a pacemaker or people with weak hearts.

Being an American and knowing the general way we all think. I believe restricting guns even more or outright banning them will only lead to higher crime rates like in England and Australia after their gun bans. Plus the American government has a history of overstepping its limits and wandering around like a giant with a short attention span.

I don't know any better way to explain it to you. Normally, people see my side of the argument after I break it fact by fact. You seem to think that someone with a gun will go out and do crimes when the majority of Americans are law abiding citizens.

Stricter gun control..if it gets much stricter then people won't be able to afford or even acquire them. People who live in the inner city are basically forced to go without a gun because they live too close to certain "areas" like schools, businesses.

The example in number 2. That an actual law. People who want "gun control" here want that kind of restriction to be the standard. The gun control fanatics here are serious about severe restrictions and outright banning. Hence the hatred people have towards them.

Why does this match the show so well? Shenanigans I say!

Probably put something that broke the terms and agreement with photobucket.

An easy break down of the thoughts of this thread.

1. We don't want to completely loosen gun control. That means no guns at a 7-11 and no colt .45 with your McDonalds Hamburger

2. I am not against "common sense" gun control. Most of the "gun control" laws that are passed are ridiculous.

An example is: In one state here. The gun must be completely disassembled, with a trigger or barrel lock in place. The gun and the clip can't be kept within twenty feet of one another and there must be an immediate danger to your life or the life of your family and the intruder must be inside your home. Not your garage, your home. If someone is in your yard killing your dog. You can't do anything about it other than call the cops. So lets say they get into your home and you have a wife and a daughter. Under those rules, if an intruder is in your home. You can't do anything about it either. You can do something about it if they are stabbing or raping your wife or daughter, ONLY THEN! can you begin to put the gun together. What if the intruder is attacking you personally? Think they will wait while you put your gun together (all the springs and such) go find the clip then lock and load the gun? I doubt they would be that nice.

That is hardly "common sense"

3. Logical gun control such as background checks on people buying weapons. Permits for assault rifles or other "high powered" guns. Waiting periods of a day or a week. Age restrictions on the purchase or ownership of certain firearms. These are fine. Other restrictions are just plain stupid.

4. We are against the total banning or the unfair restrictions (i.e. keeping them out of the hands of the low to middle income classes) Since there people have a right granted by the constitution of our country and the fact that these people should be allowed to protect themselves as well.

4. Criminals don't go through legal means of acquiring guns. If you ban guns in the United States. Criminals will smuggle them into the country just like they do with drugs and people. So while the citizens are defenseless (cops are incompetent here) then a criminal could walk into your house and kill you to take your things. Why? Because your only defense is a bunch of obese cops that are ten minutes away. At least with a pistol I have the ability to defend myself against armed intruders.

5. With a complete gun ban. Criminals don't even need guns, they will just use bats, knives and swords like the Yakuza in Japan. So stripping people of a means of defense isn't a great idea. Though like I already mentioned. They will still get the guns that people can't get a hold of. You put the criminal at a huge advantage.

6. After a complete gun ban when the police and military are the only ones with firearms. Who is to stop them from abusing their power? Corrupt cops can start extortion on people. Who is going to believe you that the cops are "shaking you down"? If you try to resist the corrupt cops, they can just kill you and say you were resisting arrest.

7. Common street gangs (not the Big Boys like Crips, Bloods, Mexican Mafia,etc) only have access to common hand guns and other weapons. The "Big Boys" have access to assault rifles, sub machine guns, uzi's etc because of cartel connections. These guys don't walk into Guns-R-us and buy these things. Bullets are traceable and if they leave the gun behind the serial number on the weapon traces back to them. They prefer to buy it from a dealer connected to the cartel. They get their drugs they will sell and they also buy guns from them. Again banning "legal" guns only gives the criminals guns.

Q: Will I be able to restrain myself from using a gun outside of life or death? Yes, I am certain of it. I have been in situations that I could have used a weapon to kill someone. My last job a co-worker threw some punches at me (I carried a knife for work related purposes) while not a gun it still is a weapon that I could have easily pull from my pocket. Instead I choose to back step and dodge until some co-workers were able to restrain him. Would I have pulled out a gun if I had it? Hardly, my life wasn't in immediate danger.

Q: Have I ever held a loaded gun? Yes, several actually. Pistols, rifles and a 12 gauge shot gun.

To answer your "scenario" will that person attack you knowing that are armed? Criminals don't attack people they don't see as "easy targets". A guy the perceive to be unarmed will be attacked before the guy who clearly armed. i have already mentioned that statistics are one my side. People who have training and education of their firearms are less likely to use them than someone who just bought it at wal-mart, pawn shop or a guy off the street.



The main difference as well is the mentality of the countries and the state of their countries. We aren't in a civil war. Normal street gangs only carry pistols. The ones who are in league with Drug Cartels are the ones who have access to assault rifles and such. That is not because of our gun laws. Those people would have guns if there was a total ban or not.

The point is this. Banning guns would only remove guns from the hands of law abiding citizens. Thus making them vulnerable to criminals. Our police have proven to be incompetent. Criminals will get a hold of those guns despite bans and millions of laws. You can't take guns out of the hands of criminals. There is absolute no way to do that and to think otherwise is just nonsense.

I was directly calling them savages but, comparing countries. American crime and violence is timid compared to a war zone. I'd call a war zone "savage".

We're America. Not Somalia or Darfur. America isn't a 3rd world nation caught in a civil war. I don't mind common sense gun control such as registration of weapons, minor waiting times (a day or a week) but, complete disarming of the general populace or strong restrictions of ownership. Such as making guns extremely expensive so that nobody can afford them. When I get my own apartment I will own a hand gun or two possibly a shot gun as well. The main difference is that Americans aren't savage enough to give a kid a ak-47 and expect him to kill. Hell, You can't even buy a paintball gun if your under the age of 18 in some states.

History also proves that those with guns bully those without guns. So why give someone such an advantage over you?

Here is a question. Are you going to piss off a guy with a gun? Also statistic have proven that someone who receives training on how to use their gun are less likely to use it on an impulse because someone just "pissed them off". Most people who just impulsively shoot someone usually did not have any form of real training with their gun. The type to shoot someone without really thinking about it would be some jerk-off who just bought a gun at a pawn shop or wal-mart. I was unable to find anything but, something to look up would be how many NRA members have used their guns to commit a crime that wasn't murder in self defense.

Not really. I find the current conflict between Russia and the Country of Georgia to be a little more interesting than the Olympics. I stopped caring about them when the bomb went off at the Atlanta Olympics in the 90's.

The reason was because I found this http://www.vienas.net/imagehosting/95947cbe8dc6f09c.jpg.



Agreed! Something tells me this will become a glasses pr0n thread now.

I wouldn't suppose you have long brown hair and wear wire frame glasses. do you?

I pointed out historical events that related to weapon bans and how easy it would be for a government or a body of authority to abuse the difference between those with guns and those without guns.

England has seen a increase in gun related crime because the criminals will get a hold of guns legally or illegally. You can't stop that aspect of the truth. Even Australia had a huge surge in crime after their bans. Some accounts even say that increase was 300% of pre-ban levels. A majority of Americans complain about the state of the police departments because almost 90% of them are corrupt or inefficient. A tiny example is a small town south of where I live called Emerson. Their population is 1,092 total the police of this city spent over $1,000,000 in two months on fuel trying to police a Highway that wasn't in their jurisdiction. One Million over budget in two months, two fucking months! The police of my city "lost" about 1000lbs of drugs and about 200 guns because the police were selling them to unscrupulous people. So forgive me if I don't trust the police to be the only ones with guns here. Yes, we "elect" our sheriff and such but, before they are allowed to put their name on the ballot they have to qualify (i.e. have the experience and such).

But, your idea is terrific. I'll give up my only means of defending myself. After that I'll thank you next time I get another night stick to the face because I didn't say "Sir, yes Sir" to a cop who pulled me over (this actually fucking happened). I'll also thank you when someone breaks into my house again and I watch them carry my tv and my desktop out of my house because they have a gun and I don't while I sit and wait for the obese cops to finish their doughnuts and coffee before waddling their asses down here. Here is a great idea to add onto that. How about we raise our taxes even higher we don't need to keep 70% of our income. We could deal with 40% while we hire more corrupt government officials and more fat and lazy cops to push us around.

Sorry but, what works for Germany might not work for America. We have two different cultures and the people of each country think too differently. Our government already abuses the power is has (look up Eminent domain abuse,US Patriot Act, Wire tapping non-terror suspects,etc). Think what it would be like if we turn everything over to them?

Heh, I'm the Lord Jesus Christ. I think I'll go get drunk and beat up some Midgets.

Total government control means they control your internet access. China has complete control over all media. Giving power,rights,etc up to the government is a slipper slope. We just gave up due process with the patriot act. Gun ownership is on the chopping block, freedom of speech is there beside it. Control the media and you control the thoughts of the masses.

I hate to sound like "The end is nigh" guy but, its looking like that. Gun control is just one step towards total communism.

Look at the armenians, jews,etc. They were being exterminated in their own countries and there wasn't really anything they could do about it. I agree propaganda wouldn't work as well but, this is America the masses will believe whatever they are told.

The question I have. What would the effects be to someone who is constantly exposed to a subliminal message for prolong periods of time day in and day out. Would it have any effect?

Well put.

I was meaning after they get those bans in place. Who is to stop them? Collectively people could resit for a while but, c'mon its the United States Freakin Military! The only way to fight them at that point is to use guerrilla tactics which will get them labeled as terrorists. Every group that has stockpiled guns because they don't trust the government or believe an armed conflict will arise in the future ends up getting raided. Governments don't like threats to their control. Simple as that.