Fiery_penguin_of_doom Posts
iSquall wrote...
Oh yeah, I realize that. But even so, people jump at any chance that they can to criticize Obama. Why is he taking so much heat when HE didn't make the decision? He definitely said that he feels he doesn't deserve it.That's like me nominating Jacob for garfest just because he runs the site, Jacob saying he doesn't think he deserves to be there but will try being gar, and then he ends up being flamed for it. Why flame Jacob when he never asked to be nominated in the first place?
(Random analogy, but it makes sense and is simple to understand.. or at least I'd think so.)
And as aforementioned, either way people would be complaining and he was going to take heat. This is nothing new.
I'm not attacking him, nor are the majority who don't think he deserved it. The logic is very simple, "He has done nothing for the honor and thus should not have been granted it". If he was a humble man he should have declined the honor and added that he hasn't done anything yet to deserve the reward at this time and that he'll work towards results that would make him actually worthy of the honor.
Obama is taking heat for accepting an award that he doesn't deserve. There were people who have done FAR more to help peace in the world than an empty suit running around apologizing to every other country. Obama accepting this award only reduces the significance of the awards of other laureates.
I've always seen it, if the person is unarmed and you pull a gun and shoot them. You deserve some sort of penalty. Nothing too harsh because they guy DID break into your home with intent on committing another crime.
If the crook breaks into your house with a crowbar, knife, gun,etc and you take a gun and shoot him. You are in the clear and should only be bothered with the cost of replacing the shell,slug or bullet and the cost of cleaning your carpet or furniture.
Though, I may be wrong on this. In Georgia, if you break into somebodies house and don't leave in a body bag. Something, somewhere went wrong.
Edit: Now if you pulled a gun and made the guy sit there and wait for the cops to arrive. You should be fine as well despite the "overwhelming force" you used on an unarmed guy.
If the crook breaks into your house with a crowbar, knife, gun,etc and you take a gun and shoot him. You are in the clear and should only be bothered with the cost of replacing the shell,slug or bullet and the cost of cleaning your carpet or furniture.
Though, I may be wrong on this. In Georgia, if you break into somebodies house and don't leave in a body bag. Something, somewhere went wrong.
Edit: Now if you pulled a gun and made the guy sit there and wait for the cops to arrive. You should be fine as well despite the "overwhelming force" you used on an unarmed guy.
It probably stems from some backwards mentality that those who commit crimes are not in control of their actions or don't realize they are doing something wrong.
Other than that have ass excuse I can only come up with conspiracy theories of information I know from the legal system and mentality of people of certain parties.
Other than that have ass excuse I can only come up with conspiracy theories of information I know from the legal system and mentality of people of certain parties.
iSquall wrote...
As Tsuyaru pointed out, it probably would've been more insulting to have turned the award down. Either way, Obama was definitely going to take some heat (no matter what he did). What disgust me more than the choice of the committee, is the response I'm seeing from people who have witnessed this event.Sure, Obama (as well as his cabinet and other government officials) hasn't managed to change much since his inauguration back in january. Sure the economy is fucked up and getting a job isn't easy (I would know, I've been trying the past two years and haven't had any luck, aside from an interview which didn't seem to work out.) And sure, the war is going on today and people are still being killed almost mindlessly.
But if you put that aside for a second, and really look at the situation, Barack Obama seems to be trying. Call me a brainwashed Obama follower if you want, but I just don't agree with many of the negative responses I'm seeing. Obama, unlike former presidents, has spent a great amount of time attempting to interact with and appeal to the people and continues to do so. Since he became President, he has done a great number of motivational speeches (across the world-- probably a reason for him getting the prize). People, who happen to be against Obama and his policies, have even supported my last statement by saying that Obama is too much of a people person and spends too much time talking.
But at least he's doing something. I was going to write more, but I lost motivation midway.
Unfinished thought is unfinished.
The nominations of CNN "Hero's" are more deserving than Obama. Being an inspirational speaker shouldn't be criteria for such an honor. Also you failed to consider or mention that the decision for him to receive the award was made two weeks after he became president of the united states.
Many were shocked by the unexpected choice so early in a presidency that began less than two weeks before the Feb. 1 nomination deadline for the prize and has yet to yield concrete achievements in peacemaking.
Link.
Second Link.
Pure politics, nothing more.
StrayDog wrote...
Holy shit. If these walls of text are any indication, then we have some serious contenders for Mason of the Year.Ha, nice. I.O.U a rep my friend.
I have a simple solution. Get rid of the rep system since it's only a number. People already have images of who they respect after a short time in the community. New users will decide who they respect by themselves and the rep a user has will only shape initial impressions. After a short time the "new user" will shape his own opinions without having a number by the persons name.
Honestly, I ignore the rep system now. I don't care if you have 1,000 rep or -1,000 rep. I know my opinion of you by the actions you have taken in the community as a whole. I don't need to press a little + sign next to the name to show who I respect. Those who have my respect either already know it or I mention it to them in a post at a later date when the gain it.
Honestly, I ignore the rep system now. I don't care if you have 1,000 rep or -1,000 rep. I know my opinion of you by the actions you have taken in the community as a whole. I don't need to press a little + sign next to the name to show who I respect. Those who have my respect either already know it or I mention it to them in a post at a later date when the gain it.
I find this nothing less than disgusting, almost vomit inducing. Ghandi never won the Nobel peace prize despite numerous nominations and yet Obama who has done nothing except spend a country into debt and played the blame game from day one received the honor. This was nothing more than a political maneuver by the the Norwegian Parliament as they appoint the Norwegian Nobel Committee.
Ghandi deserves a posthumous honor more than Obama deserves the honor at this point in time.
Edit (11:06EST): Since I didn't answer the question. No, he should not have accepted the honor as he has done nothing to deserve it.
Ghandi deserves a posthumous honor more than Obama deserves the honor at this point in time.
Edit (11:06EST): Since I didn't answer the question. No, he should not have accepted the honor as he has done nothing to deserve it.
Schellinkhout wrote...
Nah, Im saying he's calling you an idiot, but he is an idiot, so an idiot is calling you an idiotthat help any?
Ah the old "takes one to know one" routine. Gotcha.
Schellinkhout wrote...
softbanker wrote...
I admire your stupidity. Good luck and I hope the said criminal you hire would not get his criminal instinct turn on again and not butcher you and your family. And don't tell me shit about forgiveness. I do forgive but I will not give you a chance. Scumbags only need just one moment, just one chance and your dead.And as a tax payer I condemn my hard earned money to be spent paying professionals fees, medicals, and facilities for this scumbags. I rather have it spend on foods and medical supplies or on scholarships for special children.
"I admire your stupidity" When someone disagrees, but does not have a valid reason or argument, they pull this. They insult you, then continue on with their ignorant beliefs.
"Good luck and I hope the said criminal you hire would not get his criminal instinct turn on again and not butcher you and your family." Where did you get your information, movies? You assume that every person who has commited a crime is a murderer, they are not. There is no such thing as a Killer instinct (it was a movie title, shut up). And as for the Instinct turning On? what grade are you in? sixth? It doesn't work like that, our hunting instincts don't just "turn on", I've never suddenly started hunting rabbits while waiting for the bus.
The murderers who actually would kill your entire family would not be applying to a shop you own, they would still be imprisoned.
"And don't tell me shit about forgiveness. I do forgive but I will not give you a chance." If you don't give anyone a chance for forgiveness, you won't forgive anyone. You didn't think that through at all.
"Scumbags only need just one moment, just one chance and your dead." No, people kill out of compulsion, reaction, or necessity. People just don't suddenly go "well, perfect life, wonderful family, grea-I need to kill" and those who do usually suffering from some form or mental problems, which falls under compulsion.
"And as a tax payer I condemn my hard earned money to be spent paying professionals fees, medicals, and facilities for this scumbags." You do not "condemn" your money. The government subtracts a percentage of the money you earn, and it is collected as a lump sum which is divided as seen fit by those in the government. Not to mention that reforming prisoners is one of the better uses of our tax payers money. Do you realize how much money is wasted on pointless research endeavours? How about the millions wasted on our governors salaries? You have no idea what you're talking about.
"I rather have it spend on foods and medical supplies or on scholarships for special children."
You do realize that very little tax dollars go towards anything close to this? and nice try throwing in how you want to help the mentally impaired. lemme guess, if we argue with you, We hate mentally impaired children.
And from your second post
softbanker wrote...
So being admired due to your stupidity is a compliment? Ok I'm done here.You completely Missed the point. and, when a complete idiot admires you, because in his eyes you're an idiot, It should be taken as a complement.
Good work on putting together a solid argument step by step but, for the love of all things small cute and penguiny, use the quote brackets. Anyways, good work and hope to see more from you in the future.
That last part, I might me missing what you are trying to say but, no matter how many times I reread it I feel like your calling me an idiot as well.
Unsigned wrote...
I had no idea what FPOD said...I'm thinking that you're clicking the little thing next to the thread you haven't read. It's a little square/rectangle. Just click the topic.
Does that help?
In a simple way
A topic has 3 pages and you have never read the topic before. Clicking the topic would take you to the first page (first unread post is the Original post). If you've been to the thread before it would take you to the first unread post since you last visited the thread. So if a discussion stopped at page 2 but, later someone bumps or just adds on when you visit the thread again it would take you to where the thread started up again.
How about navigating to the first page with an unread post? So when entering a new topic you'd go to the first page and if you've been there it'd go to the page of the first unread post.
Probably more complicated than I am making it out to be.
Probably more complicated than I am making it out to be.
softbanker wrote...
So being admired due to your stupidity is a compliment? Ok I'm done here.It was too much to assume you would have the comprehension skills to notice sarcasm. You think I'm scum and I won't degrade myself to participate in your little game of mocking and name calling. At the end of the day, I wasn't the one slinging mud.
softbanker wrote...
I admire your stupidity. Good luck and I hope the said criminal you hire would not get his criminal instinct turn on again and not butcher you and your family. And don't tell me shit about forgiveness. I do forgive but I will not give you a chance. Scumbags only need just one moment, just one chance and your dead.And as a tax payer I condemn my hard earned money to be spent paying professionals fees, medicals, and facilities for this scumbags. I rather have it spend on foods and medical supplies or on scholarships for special children.
Well, I do live by the mantra "be the change you wish to see in the world". There are repeat offenders but, they never worry about getting a job anyways. The few who are seeking jobs have paid for their crimes and want to better themselves. I doubt anybody else would give them a chance so, I'll take the first step and lead by example.
I must be rather high up since you still admire me from your soap box.
No less than two, no more than three. I only really want three to begin with. The rest is just a nice bonus.
softbanker wrote...
Aud1o Blood wrote...
Stemming from the recent sex offender thread:Is there a movement to treat the underlying causes of criminal behaviour, rather than letting the perpetrator rot for ___ years?
Child molesters are a great example. There's something deeply psychologically wrong with these people, and putting them in the can isn't going to do much. If the prison offered counseling services, followed by a full evaluation after release, then the sex offender could be allowed to return to society more fully (rather than the church, school, park bit). Conditions of their freedoms include ongoing treatment, employment, and positive recommendations from the psychiatrist.
What is your take on the issue?
Would programs like these help convicts, like sex offenders and domestic abusers?
Putting criminals in jails does us one good thing, it keeps them from making another crime and makes our neighborhood a lot safer. This scums choose to do a crime that they are fully aware that's it's wrong and they know that it has consequences but still choose to be. I for one will never ever trust the safety of my love ones go any near a convicted molester or rapist or murderer even though they done a full treatment with a psychiatrist, no sir I will not give them that chance. Would you hire a convicted murderer on your shop? Would you have your kids go to school/park where a convicted child molester work? Will you really trust them?
To answer the bolded question. Yes, I would (as long as his skill set and work experience match my criteria). The person has paid their debt to society and we should not be judgmental. For a "Christian" society we seem to forget that Jesus preached a lot about forgiveness.
Throwing a man in prison for 40 years isn't going to change him. We should abolish mandatory minimum sentences and focus on rehabilitation so we can actually try to prevent him from doing it again. softbanker actually provokes the idea with his argument that the person was fully aware. If you are aware of your actions, you can change them.
Many of softbanker's ilk seem to think that the only good pedophile is a dead one. Which runs into the wall of "No man has the right to take the life of another".
Edit: Gibbous says it best.
GameON wrote...
Don't see the resemblance. Always thought Jacob looked like a horse...Spoiler:
Same here
Kuroneko1/2 wrote...
Are you high?No, I crashed hours ago.
braintist wrote...
KeitaroCoS wrote...
gibbous wrote...
I personally think that if a person is deemed clinically dead with no realistic chance of survival, they ought to be switched off stat. Relatives ought to have no say in it, as it is a well-known psychological fact that they will often refuse to have a loved one switched off, because they hate to let go. That's understandable, and to some point human, I guess, but it ought to play no role in the matter at hand.This answer basically sums up my thoughts, I would want the plugg pulled if I turned veggie. I would also pull it one someone as well; I don't know something about leaving someone "alive" like that just seems wrong to me.
It'll be a waste, those body parts could help another person
First and foremost thing a man owns is himself. His organs belong to him and only he is capable of making the decision to donate his organs. Otherwise, it's theft pure and simple. There are also religious people whose religion forbids them from having anything removed as it'll prevent them from getting into their equivalent of heaven such as Rastafarian.
LowercaseT wrote...
braintist wrote...
Socialist - Communist with no balls to admit so.It does count towards the he and FPoD can't have a cup of coffee and a nice chat count. I won't say anything else on the subject as my original draft went off on a tangent somewhere. Pretty sure that train of thought is somewhere near Sudan at the moment.
WhiteLion wrote...
If a fetus is considered a person, then it becomes a constitutional issue on the national level. If not, then it becomes a bit more contentious, but telling women what they can or can't do with something that is considered simply a part of their body(and in this case the procedure is quite and harmless, unlike suicide or self-mutilation) starts to sound pretty iffy(thus the "right to privacy".) When someone then sues a state and loses(upholding a state's right to ban abortion), it creates a somewhat uncomfortable federal court precedent. That's my view on that matter. Rhenquist certainly thought otherwise.I'm just tired of the debate as neither side will back down and will even resort to violence in order to get their side to win. Even once a legal standard has been reached the other side won't just "go away". They'll continue to protest for years or even decades. If their side doesn't overturn the verdict quickly I am certain both sides will turn violent in order to intimidate people to their cause.
