Rbz Posts
ashcrimson wrote...
Its not for sale anymore... I want to become a god too!I was the guy who bought it. I'm making a black hole as I type this. I thought I should advertise it to fakku so I can brag about it.
Ethil wrote...
"I personally cannot imagine a natural sequence of events whereby X could have come about. Therefore, it must have come about by supernatural means."That is called an example. There are many other ways of committing this fallacy.
You have the need for something to happen after death. I've given you a reasonable and logical explanation, and yet you ignored what it meant and simply dismissed it with a "meh." Just because it isn't cool and exciting enough, you call it bullshit. It's like reason and logic zips right over your head, and you didn't even get a glimpse of it. Ya, I'm done here.
mibuchiha wrote...
lol rbz, I thought you had enough of these stuff...It's not like this is about religion or god.
Ethil wrote...
Let's ignore everything that has been saidLet's not. There are things that need to be addressed:
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Ethil wrote...
Ehr, yea? I believe that is how it is, therefore it is my belief? And? It's like saying "since I do not believe that is how it is, I do not believe that is how it is.". I didn't say "it can't be true" I said I can't imagine how it would be, therefore I do not believe that is how it is, but I'm not "incapable of accepting that it may be true", it might very well be true.It is the reasoning that led you to your conclusion that is fallacious. Not only that, but you base your conclusion on personal incredulity and some random assumptions that you made up.
Ethil wrote...
Why, exactly WHY is "nothingness" more logic than anything else?To reach a conclusion, we start with premises. You say:
Ethil wrote...
There is nothing to support what you say, just as there is nothing that support what I say.You have that half right. I start the path to my conclusion with the premise that the material brain is enough to explain the existence of consciousness and that consciousness is effected by what happens to the brain (which is bolstered by scientific evidence). Through proper logical progression, I can assume that if the brain stopped operating, all that made a person think, feel, or see would stop as well. At this point, I come to the conclusion that when a person dies, the consciousness dies with them. I have arrived to a logical conclusion, but for some reason you don't even see it as a conclusion as you keep accusing me of "stopping at death." Maybe it's because you don't even accept it as an explanation (which it is) as you mentioned that:
Ethil wrote...
"Nothing happens then, that's just it." is not an explanation or anythingBet let me assure you, I have made that leap. I have not stopped with death, as my conclusion directly addresses what I believe happens with our consciousness after death. But why is this more logical than your view? Let's see what leads you to your conclusion (based on what you wrote in this thread):
Ethil wrote...
your consciousness has to go Somewhere, or you start up as a new consciousness.Ethil wrote...
I personally really can't imagine how it would be to not existtherefore, your conclusion is:
Ethil wrote...
when you die, your consciousness moves to another body. Or rather, you become a new consciousness in a new living being.Why does our consciousness have to go somewhere? Why do you have to start as a new consciousness? There is no evidence at all to support that premise. Then you progress to your conclusion by using fallacious logic; the classical argument from incredulity. Your conclusion ends up being based on something randomly made up and personal incredulity.
What is nothingness? Please explain.
Have you ever been unconscious and not dreaming? Sure you have. This is where you can't experience sight, feeling, thought, or anything else a conscious person might experience. That is nothingness.
Ethil wrote...
And also, linking me to this falacious reasoning site does also say something; you think I arrived to my belief because of ignorance of the obvious truth which is false.Forget the argument from ignorance, read the "argument from incredulity" part.
For example:
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Ethil wrote...
Yea, since you ignored the only important part of my post that actually touches the subject of what happens after death, which is what this thread is all about. That is why I said that it is beside the point.The context is reincarnation, and how you believe the consciousness has to persist even after death. My retort was precisely on point.
Ethil wrote...
you are saying that your belief is the truthPlease show where I say that my belief is the TRUTH.
Ethil wrote...
just because you and many other believe it is.Please show where I use the argument from popularity
Ethil wrote...
And by saying "sacred cow" I get the suspicion that you draw to much parallels to Hinduism, which is nothing like what I believe.Sacred Cow is used as a metaphor to describe someone's very cherished beliefs. No religious meaning attached.
Ethil wrote...
Rbz wrote...
Ethil wrote...
Matter can not just "cease to be", it never disappear, it always just turns into something else.Consciousness is a bunch of signals being sent through neurons. Consciousness ceases to be when the brain stops sending these signals. Matter is not being created nor destroyed, bro.
That is indeed true, but it is also beside the point.
HA! We're done here.
Ethil wrote...
you witch-burning atheistsYou're acting as if the atheist community of fakku is attacking you. Chill the fuck out.
Ethil wrote...
Matter can not just "cease to be", it never disappear, it always just turns into something else.Consciousness is a bunch of signals being sent through neurons. Consciousness ceases to be when the brain stops sending these signals. Matter is not being created nor destroyed, bro.
Ethil wrote...
I know you quote TAA and say that "The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence" is wrong, but that does not apply here as much as it does to God.I never mentioned/used that in this discussion, so why the fuck bring it up?
Ethil wrote...
There is nothing you can say in this case that makes what you believe (Yes, it is a BELIEF, just like God) any more true OR logical than any other belief; on the contrary, what I said about matter would make this belief scientifically illogical.Of course it's a belief. The difference between your belief and my own is that mine is based on the scientific discoveries of the brain, while yours is based on personal incredulity.
It seems to me from your reaction that "reincarnation" is your sacred cow. It's like you'll defend it as hard as you can and never let go of it no matter what.
Fallacious reasoning nonetheless, methinks.
I'm amused at how you liken Priests to Scientists, because it's not like the opinions of scientists are based on research, evidence, and reason. The thing is, "nothingness" is the most reasonable explanation. Based on the findings of science, we have discovered that the material brain directly effects consciousness. What that means is, if we fuck around with someone's brain a bit, we can make them feel and think differently. The "ghost in the machine (soul)" is a superfluous explanation for the consciousness of human beings. Basically, "souls" aren't necessary.
Ethil wrote...
Just because this "nothingness" is the belief of the biased majority of the religion-fearing population in the western world, it does not make it true. The majority isn't always right, especially when they blindly believe what people say (this is the same for atheist believing in scientists and religious people believing in priests) and set their belief fully against any that can involve religion cuz they fear being branded if they don't.I'm amused at how you liken Priests to Scientists, because it's not like the opinions of scientists are based on research, evidence, and reason. The thing is, "nothingness" is the most reasonable explanation. Based on the findings of science, we have discovered that the material brain directly effects consciousness. What that means is, if we fuck around with someone's brain a bit, we can make them feel and think differently. The "ghost in the machine (soul)" is a superfluous explanation for the consciousness of human beings. Basically, "souls" aren't necessary.
Ethil wrote...
As I said earlier, I believe in a form of reincarnation, but I do not consider myself religious because of it, I just think this is how it is, since I personally really can't imagine how it would be to not exist, your consciousness has to go Somewhere, or you start up as a new consciousness. This has nothing to do with your "soul traveling to another body" either.There is no scientific reason for why "nothingness" would be the logical explanation.
It is fallacious reasoning like this that has people making such hasty conclusions. How disappointing.
lollollol12 wrote...
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LOOK OUT! Your dick is gonna get assassinated for speaking such vulgarity. Shit, there's a gun pointing at it right now!
Thread wrote...
The Best reply you can ever getSo I was on the phone and I was like, "WAZZUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUP!!!!"
And my nigga responded with, "Hello kind sir."
Fake story.
I just remembered something: Now that he has some kind of power, he has to be all professional and shit. Don't you go doing anything that's not very mod-like now, you big meanie.

