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Waar
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opanihuya wrote...
ok. i'll let you milk this thread out to the maxthat's cute, you'll "allow" me to do something.
Waar
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Hope she took my advice and is giving fakku time to forget most of what she's done, it's the only way I'm ever considering letting her back.
Waar
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opanihuya wrote...
then why aren't you acting on it? there's no need for a petition in your caseBecause mod abuse only happens on special occasions, or like... when I feel like it.
Waar
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I didnt read any of this thread, but I do support this idea.
Waar
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You can, as long as you're not trying to do your business in public. Make sure it stays in pm format because if anyone tries to engage you publicly I'm going to have to lock this.
Waar
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Could limit it to 1 girl per series, might encourage people to expand their horizons. Or include real people?
Waar
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Was right handed, now I'm left.
Waar
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i dont think so.
Waar
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Longevity wrote...
Waar wrote...
Perhaps, wait and see.When do we get to tell them I'm now a mod?
You're right, that would be a funny joke.
Waar
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cruz737 wrote...
I've repeated this over and over again and haven't shown any rebuttals or pointed a fault in my reasoning. Don't lie about how I've been avoiding the subject about subjectivity.You have literally shown nothing, Waar. Literally Nothing. You can't keep crying that the burden of proof is on me when I already gave a reasoning you've yet to refute. The ball has been in your court for a while now and you're doing nothing and claiming yourself to be some victor of an "argument"(lol).
So I'll say this again, don't waste my time unless you're going to actually say something of substance.
Rebuttal to what though? You've only posted personal opinion. You challenged my assertion and then didn't provide any proof of reasoning.
Do you want a rebuttal for your opinion? Alright. I don't agree cruz. Lemme know if you come up with something more valid and ill take a crack at it.
I'm not claiming to be a victor yet, we haven't even started an argument.
edit: p.s. reality is not subjective, nor is it based on perception. I can believe something based on what I've perceived but that doesn't mean it's reality. If a tree fell in the woods and no one was around to hear it did it make a sound, it certainly did because the tree has mass and gravity would create a sound with that mass, did the tree even fall? of course, perception is subjective, reality is not.
Waar
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cruz737 wrote...
If statement A is false, then prove it's false to built upon your point.You're not refuting anything I'm saying, only stating that it's wrong.
So again, prove something can objectively exist. Prove logic isn't based on observation(something unarguably empirical) and a reasoning framework(again another thing that isn't objective). I'm open to the idea if given proper reasoning but you're completely avoiding the subject.
If you can't even question the way you reason and perceive things I don't think we you can go anywhere. And no, I don't care if I called you a faggot or if you think less of me for it since you're being very boring. I never took you for one of the people here who had tunnel vision.
It seems you misunderstood... I made statement A
A: It's illogical to kill in God's name
You said statement A is false because of statement B
B: Logic is subjective so what may be illogical to you may not be illogical to me
Because you decided to challenge my assertion you have to prove that logic is subjective(something you're avoiding). I reject your premise and maintain that people simply use it as justification to kill other humans for wealth or profit(this is not me providing evidence, simply waiting for yours).
I'm willing to hear out any evidence you have to the contrary but you've still to this point not said anything factual that supports your statement that logic is subjective. Thus far you've provided the same thing as I have, opinions. Which is fine, where you erred is when you held that your opinion is actually fact.
cruz737 wrote...
Logic is not objective. That is an objective fact.Your opinion of how boring I'm being has little baring on this debate, while I may be boring you at this point you have still not shown me to be wrong.
Waar
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Perhaps, wait and see.
Waar
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cruz737 wrote...
>it's an opinion>observations are objective
>the way we reason and process information based on observation is objective
No faggot, prove me wrong or stop bothering me. If it's objective, prove it.
lol, the burden of proof is on you.
I make statement A
You say statement A is false because of statement B
You have to prove B and in this case that means you have to prove that logic is subjective.
Cruz Ive played your game far too often for it to work, stating your opinion as fact can be effective but you either have to be arguing with someone who doesn't know better (which is not the case this time) or are capable of arguing your opponent under the table(which you are incapable of at this time).
p.s. name calling at this point in an argument is a weakness.
Waar
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cruz737 wrote...
I already did though. Logic is based on reasoning and observation.If our cognitive framework isn't objective than how can we claim results/conclusions from it are objective?
I've already said this and you ignored it. No rebuttals.
Now prove to me it is objective, since you're making the claim that it is. Prove to me that "objective" even exist.(and yes I've asked this of you before and you didn't answer)
@Pumpjack
For math. But math logic has it's own set of rules and methods to reach a conclusion.
Wait, did you think any of what you said was evidence of your point? It's entirely your opinion, I don't understand why you think any of that need a rebuttal?
Waar
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idk why im locking this
Waar
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cruz737 wrote...
Is not. You haven't given an actual reason why anything is "objective", and I sincerely doubt you can. And your whole debate is ruined by that fact that logic and reasoning is based on perception. Before you say "X can never be objectively logical" you need to prove anything can be objective.Prove that logic is subjective. At this point you've disagreed with me while providing no evidence of your own to back you up. I will once again restate my original point as you seem to want to change this argument to suit your goal: killing another human being in God's name is illogical and is simply false justification to commit murder.
neyapuckachinha wrote...
Errrrrrrhm what? Did Bachar al-Assad disappear overnight? There is a formal government, and in some parts of the country, namely Damascus where the bourgeoisie lives (including a good portion of that bourgeoisie being christian), there is absolutely no war. My cousin there goes to University, he has the internet etc, and I can assure you criminal and civil law still applies. In the war zones (Homs, Aleppo etc) as well as the zones where ISIS has taken over, there is indeed no government, but only in the sense that they lost control over the territory.
You're right, the majority of the country is burning and people are being killed because they dont pray to the same God, but there is still a semblance of a formal government in the rest of the country; you really picked up on the important part of my argument... this debate about killing in God's name was originally started with you.
Coconutt wrote...
You like completely ignored what i wrote, huh?Like i already said, context matters, or you think it doesn't? There is absolutely nothing wrong in NOT feeling anything after taking a life from a person who tried to take yours (for example). Pretty naive for you to think that the equation for being an sociopath is simply not feeling anything after taking a life.
Sure, if you continuously show lack of empathy & remorse, you might be a sociopath, but given the context of different situations, it isn't as simple as your flabbergasted mind thinks it is.
I'm saying in terms of morality context matters little, you should feel responsible for ending a human life regardless of reasoning. I'm not saying killing in self defense and murder are the same but you should at least feel some regret after taking another humans life.
Waar
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cruz737 wrote...
Sorry but you're going of to irrelevant things. Logic is not objective. That is an objective fact.It is, and the whole point of this debate was you arguing my original point(which was about killing in God name), so you deciding to change the debate doesn't mean others forgot what the debate was about.
Waar
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Coconutt wrote...
Collective morality = multiple people agreeing on same opinionSocietal morality = majority having same opinion
Religious morality = people simply agreeing on the opinion presented in the holy books
And why exactly you should feel something? Context matters, it is totally normal not feeling sad or quilt or what ever if you take a life from somebody who tried to take yours (for example).
Because you ended a life? Why do you think soldiers come back from war and avoid the question "did you kill anyone?". Holy shit, I'm flabbergasted that I have to explain this to you. The people who don't feel anything after taking a life are sociopaths(actual name for it).
cruz737 wrote...
Ugh. I genuinely don't want to write paragraphs about logic, reasoning, axioms, etc. etc. Spoiler:
Maybe we're just working with two different definitions of objective. And logic.
I would call murder being wrong a self evident truth, and doing so because your God told you to the very epitome of illogical.
It feels like you're trying(subconsciously perhaps) to circumvent my point again. Unless you can show how killing in God name makes perfect sense(you cant) this really is just you arguing for the sake of arguing. Don't get me wrong, I love doing that... when there's a point.
Waar
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cruz737 wrote...
I don't think I ever set out to prove that it was logical on your terms, just that "pure" logic and morality are not objective.Logic is.
Waar
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Longevity wrote...
Wow did "Global Moderator" take a lot of brain power?vi Britannia
No, being lazy got the better of me.