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Coconutt wrote...
There is nothing immoral or illogical in killing in self-defence. And why even use a word like 'immoral' when morality is nothing more than a ones own opinion.Not all morality is based on one's own opinion, there is such a thing as collective morality, societal morality, and in this case religious morality. Killing someone in self defense is still a morality issue, as I said it was required sometimes but you still ended a life, you should still feel something when you do it.
cruz737 wrote...
Yeah, just saw the edit. Personally, I think it's really hard to say there's "pure" logic outside of math. People can make different deductions based on a variety of factors. And really can't argue about what you find to be moral or not, I still think associating guilt to morality is kinda pointless and just serves confirmation bias. People still debate on what constitutes as life, what the value of life is in general, and whether actions we commit are even in our control. Given that it's pretty hard to have such a black and white view on anything concerning killing.
Oh man, you're never gonna convince me(or anyone for that matter) that killing in Gods name is logical, it's why these countries(aside from Syria which has no formal government) have laws against murder still. You murder someone in the UAE you're going to jail.
Sorry but the debate on "what is life" doesn't apply to the people who are being killed in Syria right now, it's infidels who they don't agree with and foreigners they view as invaders. My stance isn't against killing in general(though I/society still view it as wrong), as I said I believe some of it is required, I simply state Killing in God name illogical and you have yet to present an argument that shows otherwise, the Qur'an(those who interpret it for murder) is wrong just as the Bible(or more specifically the clergy) was 1100-500 years ago.
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deadsx wrote...
Better Mod than WaarEnjoy your time off.
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cruz737 wrote...
I'm not really an "Objectivist", especially matters involving morality. Even if poorly reasoned and brutal, it's not hard to see why these groups think and act the way they do and how they justify it. I don't think they really care about our point of view, even if we wrote a nice big paper on why their actions are deplorable, contradicting and illogical. The killing thing seems like a broad generalization though. Guilt isn't a really good basis for logic or morality, people can be conditioned to feel guilty for things out of their control, or things that impact no one in a negative way. If someone were to kill another human in self defensive I think it's natural and acceptable for them for feel guilt but I wouldn't exactly shame them or tell them what they did was immoral given the circumstances.
Which was my point, based solely on pure logic. A being from the sky telling us to kill our fellow man is illogical. It can be justified sure, but still makes no sense.
You've proven my point, and it's hard to argue this any further, killing is immoral, you're right that their God says its okay, but that's not based on logic, it's based on 3000 year old set of values. "thou shalt not kill" was pretty clear, it wasn't thou shalt not kill unless they don't believe the same as you. They want to believe in a book word for word that written 3000 years ago fine, kill infidels, but that doesn't make it any more morally correct or logical.
It's a point of pride that Christianity ended it's crusade 800 years ago, and the inquisition 500, Islam is simply going through their Crusades, and the rest of the world has to suffer. None of this is to say Christianity is a better religion, or that nonviolent Muslims are also wrong in their following the same book, it is simply a statement that shows Islam is going through something we had to go through before we realized our mistake.
p.s. Read my previous edit if you missed it, it's not in your quote.
edit: You're not even arguing the same thing as me anymore, I didnt say I don't understand why they kill, only that it was morally wrong, and illogical.
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no, I have enough trouble coming up with my own.
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cruz737 wrote...
It's all relative though. Maybe killing non-believers is logical while sexual degeneracy isn't? Who would've guessed people of different upbringings and morals would come to different conclusions.It is not relative, killing is immoral, end of story. Anyone who believe the taking of another human life isn't morally wrong is trying to conveniently assuage their guilt. Also the use of the word "degeneracy" doesn't accurately describe masturbation, that would be like classifying use of the word penis as public indecency).
edit: I wanted to clarify, I'm not saying killing isn't necessary, nor are the people doing it automatically evil. Killing in self defense is a necessity, so is killing during times of war, capital punishment is also a required form of killing. My point is all of all forms of killing, including those no matter how necessary, is morally wrong.
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neyapuckachinha wrote...
[quote="neyapuckachinha"]I don't see it anywhere in our thread of conversation and quotes.Sorry, confused two conversations I'm having simultaneously. My point was that a religion that has a morality issue with masturbation but no qualms about murder is illogical. Christianity was wrong during the crusades and spanish inquisition, and Islam is wrong now(not all interpretations of it).
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neyapuckachinha wrote...
It's instahell. It's in the Quran. No masturbatin'. Murder is fine though.I did say "logic"
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L3 3P1C M33M3R wrote...
You're too self-centered and love to listen to yourself talk too much so you can't hate anyone else.Idk, by that logic I would hate everyone because they're not me.
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Locking because it's you.
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artcellrox wrote...
He posted this in Random first. It got moved here.Missing my point, it's bad form and he should avoid doing it anywhere, because it'll end up in IB and get him killed.
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While it's not against any rule I'm aware of it is in ridiculously poor taste to ask. IB isn't the place to test out things like this, bad form gets you roasted pretty easily here.
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North American internet porn never makes sense.
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neyapuckachinha wrote...
He can't. He finally succumbed to temptation and masturbated.To be fair I doubt ISIS members are unwilling to lie(if murder is morally okay).
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animefreak_usa wrote...
No. I just can't eat the whole tray in one sitting and don't eat anything else carbby until the next day. My sugar is manageable to a point. I haven't had any since my birthday two years ago though.
Yeahhh I guess I just dont chance it, there's enough good food with low sugar without risking my feet, or eyesight.
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animefreak_usa wrote...
I'm more a southern style cheesecake nigga.Wont all of what you're saying... kill you?
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Ill still argue with just about anyone(seriously, i even argue with Jake sometimes) but I've never really hated any of you. I would say koko and Harmonian are the two people I've had the most reason to hate but it's never really come close to that level. It's the internet, why waste time with that emotion when it's easier to just ignore someone.
Don't get me wrong, I've hated people in real life, I was bullied my freshman year in high school too(before football). I know what it's like to hate, I just don't like the person it made me turn into. My transfer to private school was the best thing to happen to me.
Don't get me wrong, I've hated people in real life, I was bullied my freshman year in high school too(before football). I know what it's like to hate, I just don't like the person it made me turn into. My transfer to private school was the best thing to happen to me.
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Gubi wrote...
(I still don't get the fun part. Is it the power trip?)I dunno, I'm sure there's quite a few things you find fun and would have trouble explaining, stuff that I probably don't get. I see a bunch of users acting high and mighty or being cliquish(again, not everyone) and I just feel like mucking it up.
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I may be saying things people don't want to hear, but there is an undeniable beauty to the way I say them. Some of my old posts can honestly take someone's breath away.
edit: That's my ego
edit: That's my ego
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Gubi wrote...
I understand the breaking the forums part, and that's pretty reasonable. It is true that huge threads kinda wreck havock.But why make it a tradition if it contents none other than yourself? Is this the traditional ritual of giving a virgin to the dragon so he leaves the village alone? There are plenty of threads that grow upwards of a thousand pages, some double of that, but they aren't closed.
It did wreak havoc before, threads used to break when they got that long, but that was only a problem for a short time, it has nothing to do with the Fakku of today.
The next question doesn't make sense, doing something because I enjoy it is the only reason I need, regardless of how few others it "contents".
Gubi wrote...
Reminding people that the place is a gift is certainly a valid point, we are after all using a free forum for which we pay nothing (although there are ads in the reading part of the site, but I digress). So truly we are grateful, we like the site, we like the forum, that is why we are active here. So why close a thread arbitrarily? What could we have done that sends the message that we do not care for the site or that we feel entitled to something more than cordial relationships and correct service?You are grateful, as long as mods are there to help whenever you need/want them, you feel that everything is being run as you believe it should be run and as long as nothing upsets your world(none of this is exclusively you). Anything outside of your expectations is met with resistance, hostility, and a general tone of disrespect(again not specifically you).
Why close the thread? As I said, fun and a reminder that nothing is a right. I dont know why you're trying to get another reason out of me, does fun not make sense?
Gubi wrote...
Sure we moan about the maintenance and we moan about the bugs, but when something is fixed we laud it and when an iniatitive is good we support it. Why would you feel a need to remind people that the forums are gift? More precisely, why the café? Or do you regularly close other threads with the same objective in mind?You witness a fraction of the complaining; a small percentage of posts in feedback, the amount of emails and pm's the staff get a day(mostly Jake) would truly shock you. In comparison, amount of praise we get doesn't amount to much and often get drowned out by all the white noise of complaints. We dont even mind, it's our "job"(very few of us get paid) and we signed up for it. So from time to time when someone acts as if it's their God given right to post anything they want, or to double and triple post the staff feels the need to remind them that it's not. The cafe was simply the worst offenders for the longest time, and to some extent they still are.
Gubi wrote...
We don't want special treatment. If you want to instore a thread page limit, its easily doable and enforceable, and people will mostly be ok with it, so long as it's to protect the intergrity of the forums and facilitate usage.Sorry long post but I wanted to try and convey my point of view on the situation. Could I have your own, if you've got the time?
Edit: Also why is it fun? Do mods have a secret kink for closing threads? XD
No special treatment? The idea that no users except a "cafe" regular should start one of these threads isn't special? To be fair I would say that's very special treatment. I don't even mind letting that go on, but don't for a second think you don't ask for privilege.
See that's where I lose you, "and people will mostly be ok with it, so long as". This forum isnt a democracy, you have no right to make demands or have expectations, anytime we take your advice or do something you want it's a gift, a reward, the staff trying to make this place more fun, but it's not your right. If I wanted to ban the use of the word "the", force everyone to post in green and limit the letter "k" from peoples names all I would need is support from one man and there is nothing anyone could do. Obviously we wont do any of that, because it's stupid and there's no point, but if I choose to lock one thread when it nears 10000 posts because it's fun then that's what will happen.
Not sure I can explain why it's fun, I just do(posts like these help).
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blackwhitebobby wrote...
Does deactivation actually delete the account, or does is just lock it and seal it away forever?Jake should be the only person who can answer that(not sure if any of the other admins have access to accounts), pm him or he might not see the question.