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So far interacting with their twitter account they said they are just publishing what KISS gives them and they won't be doing any of the localizing themselves, however it is like ppl said it is their platform and the games that go on their platform must follow their rules or they won't allow it on. So KISS most likely will alter content to go on the store?
Anceo wrote...
KISS will do the localization while Nutaku will do the distribution. They haven't posted any FAQ or release the game. It is still unclear about the content of the game.I just hope Kiss doesn't change anything to be within line with Nutaku's platform policies since they censored a lot of their web based adult games. Also mosaics? What will happen on that front ):
Just saw on twitter that Nutaku got COM3D2 instead of Fakku and Im very sad about that... Did fakku lose out on the bid or did kiss not want to uncensor the game? Cause nutaku tends to censor adult games to their store standards...
YQII wrote...
Atmaniac wrote...
Fakku has released a ton of books and doujinshis and strangely the issues you have described are not-existent here.There's a big difference in the degree of censorship typically used in different forms of media.
The ultimate goal with manga is to put out a book, which uses bar censorship most commonly. The artist doesn't know where the bars will be placed, so it makes sense for them to draw the complete genitals, which makes this a non-issue for us when it comes to books. Games on the other hand often use mosaic, and there's little reason for the artist to spend time adding details to something that will be fully obscured in the final release.
Simply put, all we have to do for a manga release is turn off the censorship and we're good; with games you're often greeted with unfinished/rudimentary artwork under the censorship layer, which leads to the problems Kisuka described.
Can fakku not invest in uncensoring work that have mosaics? I mean that would bring something new to the table and i believe many customers would be happy to have such an option available in the west (maybe even add an option in menu to turn on censorship or turn it off for those that like mosaics). I mean would that investment hurt fakku's financials really badly?
Also while we are on this topic think you can get minori to re-release their games in the west without mosaics by providing your platform?
Atmaniac wrote...
No uncensored version, no buy. It's easy as it is. I really want to play the upcoming Maitetsu but 40$ for stupid mosaic censorship? Hell no! It is annoying to see that Fakku adds more and more censored games just for the sake of a growing library. Please stop that!I live by that myself. I simply don't buy anything that is censored as well. I regret backing sekai's kickstarter when they just started only to have a bunch of censored stuff with almost no chance of them becoming uncensored now. One of their games Chrono Clock was censored on Denpa when they first released it claiming original assets were lost, but after Mangagamer was able to get an uncensored game from that same company Denpa stealthly released the uncensored patch for it months later.
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zecknor wrote...
YQII wrote...
These games were made in an environment where they often didn't have any distribution channels that allowed uncensored art, so I don't think it's fair to punish the people behind the games by denying them access to the platform. Again, this is only the first step: by showing there's a demand for these games and building relations with various developers and publishers, they can prepare uncensored releases in the future.They are already on other platforms like denpa and steam (with patch) so how is it punishing them when they already have a platform to sell it? Rather it would make Fakku seem like a better platform and entice them to uncensor their games to get on it if Fakku builds a big consumer base due to quality uncensored stuff.
Games section is still small. To increase customer base and publisher, they have increase the game catalog. Disallowing it means the publisher will focus on distributing on other store therefore it will be a disadvantage for publisher compare to other store. When Maitetsu was published, some people are start give attention to fakku as a reliable storefront for adult content.
I mean that game is also on denpasoft, Why all the sekai/denpa games instead of jastusa/mangagamer games more? Those 2 have way more catalog of uncensored games if you really want to compare with sekai/denpa anyway. I was really hoping when they released Sekai/Denpa games they were going to be uncensored. Like nekopara would have been a huge thing to get uncensored since so many ppl know about it, and the artist herself said she is considering it when she has time.
YQII wrote...
The fact that you already have other platforms shows the need for one that won't enforce censorship. If their only option so far was to censor their games, you can't blame them for only having censored assets at hands. The problem with older content is often that the unaltered artwork no longer exists, which is true for both games and manga. Preparing uncensored art for future release would in many cases not require any additional work, compared to redoing old artwork.Again, we don't want to punish our partners retrospectively, but we'd expect something else for newer releases.
Okay thanks, I just expected Fakku to follow the steps of Mangagamer and JastUsa in trying their hardest to get uncensored art for VN's when possible. So was simply disappointed and surprised when many censored VN's were being sold on the site, probably mostly because my bad impression of Sekai/denpasoft how they lied before or simply didn't try hard to get the uncensored assets, only to add in the uncensored assets for one of their VN's months later after Mangagamer was able to get uncensored assets from that same company. Hopefully one day all new releases on Fakku will be uncensored.
Anceo wrote...
As long as there are "censored" tag on these games, people have choice whether is it worthy enough to buy it or not. Some games are poorly tagged here (so they get their source of information outside Fakku).
Fakku definitely needs to address the no censored tag problem on the store pages. If you go into fakku and look you can see the tags, however they don't state which games are censored in the store for checkout.
YQII wrote...
These games were made in an environment where they often didn't have any distribution channels that allowed uncensored art, so I don't think it's fair to punish the people behind the games by denying them access to the platform. Again, this is only the first step: by showing there's a demand for these games and building relations with various developers and publishers, they can prepare uncensored releases in the future.They are already on other platforms like denpa and steam (with patch) so how is it punishing them when they already have a platform to sell it? Rather it would make Fakku seem like a better platform and entice them to uncensor their games to get on it if Fakku builds a big consumer base due to quality uncensored stuff.
FaceXpalm wrote...
zecknor wrote...
Why did Fakku not consider only getting uncensored games on their platform? It would have stayed more consistent with your platforms message about no censorship. I mean most of the games you have that are censored are already widely available other places. You could have selected the ones that are uncensored while licensing new uncensored titles no?Although I do agree with your line of thinking here and it's why I decided to come to the forum and pose the same question about a new game release I just saw on the store, I think YQII has the right of it. By still selling these games that currently have no uncensored releases on a platform that supports uncensored content, and that people still really enjoy the games, it could help these other devs/publishers decide to create uncensored content for their games in the future. We could get patches or new re-releases of the games down the road. It's kind of like planting a seed and making an investment.
Once it's on the store and selling there's no reason for them to go back and re-edit it for since people are already buying. If fakku remained the premium hentai service for the west and they kept the only uncensored rule they might have been able to convince those publishers to uncensored to get on the platform eventually. However I don't see that happening when denpasoft/sekai, fakku, steam(with patch) both have mosaic games now. I mean why would they even bother when they already have the exposure without going through the trouble of uncensoring their games?
YQII wrote...
FAKKU as a game distribution platform is a relatively new thing, so this is unfortunately to be expected. I imagine most developers make their games thinking they would never be uncensored, so they might not have any uncensored artwork. However, now that they know they have a platform that doesn't enforce any censorship, they can do things differently going forward.One example of this is the artist isya. Their first few releases were censored because that's all they had, but they started drawing newer doujinshi uncensored knowing that they could put them up on FAKKU. I think you'll see a similar evolution for games.
Why did Fakku not consider only getting uncensored games on their platform? It would have stayed more consistent with your platforms message about no censorship. I mean most of the games you have that are censored are already widely available other places. You could have selected the ones that are uncensored while licensing new uncensored titles no?
luinthoron wrote...
While I'm rather disappointed by the mosaics as well, Fakku itself has only published one game so far, which is free of any such silliness. Anything that does have mosaics is other publishers' (mostly Sekai Project / Denpasoft) games that are simply being sold in the store as well.Really wish they asked to republish the censored games without mosaics. I mean it seemed possible for Nekopara the artist herself said it's possible when she has more time, so would really love to see something happen along their lines.
I almost rather they only put uncensored games on their site and avoid all the mosaic ones since in the store you almost cannot tell which ones are censored or not unless you visit the game page outside of store. Fakku has been giving mixed signals all over the place lately with this problem.
Why are so many games released on Fakku retaining their mosaics? I thought Fakku prided themselves on seeing the the images the way they were meant to be seen (aka. not having mosaics) yet it almost feels like Fakku doesn't care too much when it comes to the games catalog? I wished for better from Fakku since Jastusa and Mangagamer could do it for almost all their titles except a very limited few, and hoped fakku would be able to leverage their exposure to get other companies online and push for no mosaics.
Why are there so little tags on fakku... compared to fakku the other sites that don't cost money seem better made. I mean hypno tag is a no brainer with all the doujins and chapters that already have it, yet we still don't have it.
Does anyone have any idea why Black Lilth/Lilth no longer licenses any more games to Mangagamer or at least why they haven't put a new one out in such a long time in the west? Was it simply they didn't like how many people pirated and didn't care about the profits made in the west at all?
I thought Jacob said the games with mosaics will get such tags on the store asap, yet the ones from Denpasoft with mosaics still don't after this long after launching the games on the store. It could cause disappointment and misunderstanding for people who thought they were uncensored since it is fakku.
Kuzembo wrote...
zecknor wrote...
Drifter995 wrote...
I'm curious why so many people care about having 'fakku' on their statementBecause we rather not have "PORN" in big letters on our statement when we go to the bank to check our account or when other people see our statements.
It doesn't though - it says Fakku. Few will know what that Fakku even it's hardly PornHub or something obvious.
FAKKU is pretty close to the **** you making it quite a curios name to others to check out especially if it's on your statement quite often. Having them change their statement from something easily searchable to find out is a porn site does not in any way hurt any of You, yet you all defend it like it matters to you that they keep it.
Drifter995 wrote...
I'm curious why so many people care about having 'fakku' on their statementBecause we rather not have "PORN" in big letters on our statement when we go to the bank to check our account or when other people see our statements.
YQII wrote...
Your first point isn't something I have any control over, but from what I understand, that's not something we can do right now.As for #2, I can only repeat what I've said in the past. This reply was about yuri, but it's relevant to most genres that I think you'd define as "not vanilla."
Commercial manga rarely has a lot of—in lack of a better word—sub-genres, which can be something as mundane as yuri or something more extreme like bestiality. If they do it's often only a handful of chapters per year at best. Commercial manga is produced for a large market, so as a publisher you want to fill your magazines with content that appeals to as many people as possible. The only real exceptions that come to mind are loli and futanari where there are magazines that have had longtime success as a 100% niche magazine.
As Jacob mentioned, the doujinshi scene is typically where you find these genres. Being self-published with the goal of only selling a few hundred of copies, artists are able to target a smaller niche audience. Of course, if their work doesn't sell, they're the only ones suffering and take a relatively small monetary lost over their hobby. When a magazine shuts down, that's hundreds of people effected and in worst case they lose their livelihood. Running a business comes with greater responsibilities.
As has already been said, it's unlikely the subscription service will ever provide a substantial amount of yuri, but that's precisely why we're expanding into the doujinshi market. Hopefully we can provide you with some yuri content that way instead.
As Jacob mentioned, the doujinshi scene is typically where you find these genres. Being self-published with the goal of only selling a few hundred of copies, artists are able to target a smaller niche audience. Of course, if their work doesn't sell, they're the only ones suffering and take a relatively small monetary lost over their hobby. When a magazine shuts down, that's hundreds of people effected and in worst case they lose their livelihood. Running a business comes with greater responsibilities.
As has already been said, it's unlikely the subscription service will ever provide a substantial amount of yuri, but that's precisely why we're expanding into the doujinshi market. Hopefully we can provide you with some yuri content that way instead.
I'm not saying you can't find a magazine that's less vanilla than the ones we have right now, just that most magazines aim for mainstream appeal, which means you won't find that much extreme content in them. With that being the case, I don't think the vanilla ratio would drastically change even if we picked up every magazine out there. The doujinshi scene will always be the main source of alternative content, both here and on the Japanese market.
How come my Fakku cannot apply my first point? You have more behind the scenes then the rest of us. I believe Jast and Mangagamer both do it.