Arakawa Under the Bridge x Bridge

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This anime is probably and could be easily the most philosophical I’ve ever seen. If you ask me…..
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LoL thought you were asking for the "protip" sorry :P.
And FAKKU! isin't a refuge for me.FAKKU! is FAKKU!,a place were hentai exist lol.
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chaofan wrote...
Ric is essentially all of us. Wanting to cruise through life with our beliefs yet... people like NINO changes it all. Ahh... Love. That's what its all about! SELF DISCOVERY!!!

Short yet very suggestive. I would pretty much like to take this post apart, piece by piece, to analyze it but should you not want to talk about, doing so would be pointless.

4manyak wrote...
What is common sense anyway?

Is that a question or is that a question? I suppose imma answer it anyway.

Commonsenseistheinvisiblelinethattheentirehumanraceinstinctivelywalksonnevertostrayfaroffof.

darykk168 wrote...
LoL thought you were asking for the "protip" sorry :P.

No harm, no foul. At least now you know what "protip" means, I'd presume.
darykk168 wrote...
And FAKKU! isin't a refuge for me.FAKKU! is FAKKU!,a place were hentai exist lol.

Okay, so you just happen to like hentai. That sure explains a lot.

But enough about you or me, let's get back to the series at hand. I'd rather you guys ask relevant questions which I should be able to share some insights on, than me doing both.
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Kiss-Shot Soba-Scans Staff
Man I loved the latest episode, this show keeps on making me love it more and more. (so happy Nino and Ric kissed, well it was mostly Ric receiving.)

Gonna be pretty damn sad to see this series end, really hoping we'll get a season 2!
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OMG!I just saw another good episode!
Why so good?Lets see here....

First, I learned that ELITES dont have cavities.Why?Becuz they do this
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Second, I get to see a fucked up star XD
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Third,I wanna kick Ric's ass
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Kiss-Shot wrote...
Man I loved the latest episode, this show keeps on making me love it more and more. (so happy Nino and Ric kissed, well it was mostly Ric receiving.)

I can really see how much you love this series by posting so little every now and then on how you love this series over and over again saying how much you love this series every so often times you would post.

Look, you might think that I'm picking on you ever since day 1, but I'm not. Believe me, this is simply me being friendly; wanting to talk to you, seizing you up. By the way, have I ever told you that you have quite an interesting avatar right there?

Kiss-Shot wrote...
Gonna be pretty damn sad to see this series end, really hoping we'll get a season 2!

I'm not exactly keeping it a big secret but let's just keep what I'm about to say in between us for now. *Whisper, whisper, whisper* I'm certain *whispers and more whispering* where volumes 5 onwards even gets better. (If it stays true to the source material, that is.)

darykk168 wrote...
First, I learned that ELITES dont have cavities.Why?Becuz they do this

Wanna be homodachis? The way I see it, you can never attain Elite-status unless you have one.

darykk168 wrote...
Second, I get to see a fucked up star XD

You must have meant to say that you got to see a STARfish (hitode) get raped.

darykk168 wrote...
Third,I wanna kick Ric's ass

Who doesn't? But not really. It seems that the series' madness is rubbing off on me, though not in the way I had intended.

PS: Anybody wants to be my homodachi? Anyone? I guess no one, huh. (Either no one wants to be an elite or no one wants to be a fag; I'm guessing it's the former.)
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hermitVI wrote...
chaofan wrote...
Ric is essentially all of us. Wanting to cruise through life with our beliefs yet... people like NINO changes it all. Ahh... Love. That's what its all about! SELF DISCOVERY!!!

Short yet very suggestive. I would pretty much like to take this post apart, piece by piece, to analyze it but should you not want to talk about, doing so would be pointless.


Ya... Ric's changing slowly. Like all of us, the reason why he is changing is because of the people he meets. Almost anyone would change once they find someone. Funnily enough, its probably the fact he was so sheltered in his life that this sudden "shock" woke Ric up to the fact that there is many people in the world and that owing someone isn't a particularly bad thing. In fact, remember, Nino didn't really want anything in return, but because Ric wanted to "pay her back" due to his personality. In later episodes, he ends up being helped, yet, he is less resistant in some cases and lets it slip by... Can't remember any part exactly but, the development of Ric is nice :D.
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hermitVI wrote...

darykk168 wrote...
First, I learned that ELITES dont have cavities.Why?Becuz they do this

Wanna be homodachis? The way I see it, you can never attain Elite-status unless you have one.

Hey,having transvestite buddies isin't so bad, I have 3.There very reliable and you can tease them alot too.But im still no ELITE :P

hermitVI wrote...
darykk168 wrote...
Second, I get to see a fucked up star XD

You must have meant to say that you got to see a STARfish (hitode) get raped.

Raped or OWNED! whatever works,I just love to see him suffer XD.

hermitVI wrote...
darykk168 wrote...
Third,I wanna kick Ric's ass

Who doesn't? But not really. It seems that the series' madness is rubbing off on me, though not in the way I had intended.

Your not having fun anymore?How sad :D
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Kiss-Shot Soba-Scans Staff
I can't tell if you dislike me or not hermitVI >_>


Anyway I look forward to the good things to come, it can only get better from here.
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chaofan wrote...
hermitVI wrote...
chaofan wrote...
Ric is essentially all of us. Wanting to cruise through life with our beliefs yet... people like NINO changes it all. Ahh... Love. That's what its all about! SELF DISCOVERY!!!

Short yet very suggestive. I would pretty much like to take this post apart, piece by piece, to analyze it but should you not want to talk about, doing so would be pointless.


Ya... Ric's changing slowly. Like all of us, the reason why he is changing is because of the people he meets. Almost anyone would change once they find someone. Funnily enough, its probably the fact he was so sheltered in his life that this sudden "shock" woke Ric up to the fact that there is many people in the world and that owing someone isn't a particularly bad thing. In fact, remember, Nino didn't really want anything in return, but because Ric wanted to "pay her back" due to his personality. In later episodes, he ends up being helped, yet, he is less resistant in some cases and lets it slip by... Can't remember any part exactly but, the development of Ric is nice :D.

Now we're talking. Nature vs Nurture: Where do you stand?

I gotta say though, we, people, rarely change regardless of whoever we encounter in this short journey we call life. Heck, we hardly even learn from our mistakes, no wonder history keeps repeating itself.

Well, Riku may be one of that rarity, but the way that I see him now (8BRIDGE) from before he met Nino is still pretty much the same old him; the person who only thinks of no one else but himself, incapable of accepting things for just the way they naturally are.

Here's something to think about. Should he be able to break free from the Ichinomiya creed that easily, will he not also realize how much of a farce his relationship with Nino is-- that there's no more need for them to continue playing house?

Oh, and let's not forget about Nino's side of the story, though there hasn't exactly been much of that yet.


To darykk168 & Kiss-Shot, with love & pleasure :D
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darykk168 wrote...
hermitVI wrote...

darykk168 wrote...
First, I learned that ELITES dont have cavities.Why?Becuz they do this

Wanna be homodachis? The way I see it, you can never attain Elite-status unless you have one.

Hey,having transvestite buddies isin't so bad, I have 3.There very reliable and you can tease them alot too.

REALLY? Reliable how? Dick cleansing? (Good for you.)

darykk168 wrote...
But im still no ELITE :P

I never said all you need to become an elite is a homodachi, or did I?

darykk168 wrote...
hermitVI wrote...
darykk168 wrote...
Second, I get to see a fucked up star XD

You must have meant to say that you got to see a STARfish (hitode) get raped.

Raped or OWNED! whatever works,

RAPED or OWNED, I couldn't care less. I was merely pointing out that whatever you saw wasn't just a star (hoshi).

darykk168 wrote...
I just love to see him suffer XD.

Whatever did the poor marine-guy do to you?

darykk168 wrote...
hermitVI wrote...
darykk168 wrote...
Third,I wanna kick Ric's ass

Who doesn't? But not really. It seems that the series' madness is rubbing off on me, though not in the way I had intended.

Your not having fun anymore?How sad :D

Rephrasing what I said, the series is driving me further insane rather than making me feel better inside the head.

PROTIP: Urban Dictionary is very handy.

Actually, I never imagined that spoon-feeding you would be this much fun. I guess I'm just about ready to become a parent-- a Papa, to be exact.

Kiss-Shot wrote...
I can't tell if you dislike me or not hermitVI >_>

Of course! It's a fact that no one can, but I sure don't dislike anybody who shares his/her thoughts/ideas, even if only once in a while.

Kiss-Shot wrote...
Anyway I look forward to the good things to come, it can only get better from here.

Guaranteed.
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Heya Hermit!
In all honesty, I don't really stand on any side. Nature is important but nurturing is just as important. As you said hermit, although it may seem people rarely change with the encounters of their life, as well as history [good going for bringing that up!], but these people are already developed as adults. Ric, is one of these so called 'adults' and his nature and nurturing from his father was what made him... him essentially.

With 8Bridge, aside from the comedy bits with Hoshi and the crew, it does show as you pointed out that Ric is essentially the same before nino. But this was enforced by his father as shown with the episode. His father's lack of emotion toward Ric is the reason he developed his fathers ideals and personality.

If put in a different perspective with real life, if a father neglects their child or acts cold toward them, it has been shown that the child picks up the personality of the one that gives them the cold treatment if they are not given enough compensation from the other party. [in this case, a mother]

The creed Ric follows is almost like a real-life business culture XD. I believe Ric will be able to break through this creed, but only with the help of the people "under the bridge." Their lack of "common sense" will eventually break the chains that bind Ric down. With the Nino relationship though, I don't it will get too far :|.

Perhaps Nino is just a person who actually is a genius. She may act as if she doesn't know anything, but she may have been able to read Ric from the beginning and decided she wanted to help.

Funny. This makes their encounter, a "fated" one and perhaps it may end up with him finally breaking out of his father's shadow and becoming a successful person without the Ichinomiya creed!
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WTF? I havent kissed a man my whole life but even I know that kissing someone gets nobody pregnant. Talk about coincidence. Kō finding the place where he belongs.
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hermitVI wrote...
Kiss-Shot wrote...


[quote="Kiss-Shot"]Gonna be pretty damn sad to see this series end, really hoping we'll get a season 2!

I'm not exactly keeping it a big secret but let's just keep what I'm about to say in between us for now. *Whisper, whisper, whisper* I'm certain *whispers and more whispering* where volumes 5 onwards even gets better. (If it stays true to the source material, that is.)


if Arakawa does gets a season 2 and Bakemonogatari doesn't....well....that's weird <_<

chaofan wrote...


Perhaps Nino is just a person who actually is a genius. She may act as if she doesn't know anything, but she may have been able to read Ric from the beginning and decided she wanted to help.

JarPhones wrote...
WTF? I havent kissed a man my whole life but even I know that kissing someone gets nobody pregnant. Talk about coincidence. Kō finding the place where he belongs.


I think most of us get the idea that Ric is a serious headcase but to think that the people under the bridge are the true geniuses? That's deep
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Let me kick things off by sharing a somewhat familiar quote:

“We are, if anything, creatures of habits. Drawn to the safety and comfort of the familiar. But what happens when the familiar becomes unsafe, when the fear that we have been desperately trying to avoid finds us where we live?”
+1 to whoever gets the reference

And to answer the somewhat rhetorical question:

We adapt (adjust). We deal (cope). We try to find comfort in fear and seek stability among the unknown; only so that we can remain ourselves.

Now, Riku’s the prime example of that. He can’t change himself so instead, he goes about into trying to change the others around him. Without considering perhaps, that these people have experienced much worse than what he’s now. That they, like him, are also coping, just in their own strange ways.

Take Sister for instance, an ex-military man who’s fought in several wars in the past. He sure had seen a lot of what war has to offer-- the death of his comrades, probably even hell itself when he got betrayed and tortured by the woman he loves.

Clearly from his actions today, he’s not forgotten a single thing from his past (nor moved on). One might even (I know I would) say that he’s still living in it; clad in a nun’s dress being the only difference now. Actually, underneath the dress is him wearing his old military uniform. (That, you wouldn’t know, unfortunately, until the second season.)

Need I be a psychiatrist to tell that he could be suffering from PTSD?

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chaofan wrote...
but these people are already developed as adults. Ric, is one of these so called 'adults' and his nature and nurturing from his father was what made him... him essentially.

Kou (22) is an adult and is therefore a MADE man?

What is, by definition, an already developed adult anyway? And isn’t being an adult irrelevant to whether or not someone can undergo living in a stark-contrast environment and come out of it as an entirely different person? Because clearly, you’re contradicting your earlier statement when you basically said that we are all subjects to certain change within our daily life encounters.

Perhaps this matter should be addressed more specifically with the inclusion of age (and statistics). Problem is, we can’t exactly do that. I get you're not prepared (and so am I).

chaofan wrote...
But this was enforced by his father as shown with the episode. His father's lack of emotion toward Ric is the reason he developed his fathers ideals and personality.

If put in a different perspective with real life, if a father neglects their child or acts cold toward them, it has been shown that the child picks up the personality of the one that gives them the cold treatment if they are not given enough compensation from the other party. [in this case, a mother]

Your point being, it's either one of his parent's fault? But of course! This is why I was asking you earlier which side are you on, Nature vs Nurture / Genetics or Environmental? And from the way that I see it, your opinion tends to side more with the former-- nature/genetics. (Don't go telling me now that you can spell Environmental without "mental"?)

At any rate, isn't it more likely for a mistreated son to grow up resenting his father, making it less likely for the son to aspire to become the same person that his father is?

chaofan wrote...
The creed Ric follows is almost like a real-life business culture XD. I believe Ric will be able to break through this creed, but only with the help of the people "under the bridge." Their lack of "common sense" will eventually break the chains that bind Ric down.

Precisely! Business and heart are not the best of partners for success. That said, it's up to Riku to realize the true meaning behind the principle that's imprinted all over his necktie. (Symbolic necktie sure is symbolic.)

chaofan wrote...
With the Nino relationship though, I don't it will get too far :|.

How come? If he owes his epiphany to his relationship with Nino, would it not only be normal for him to repay the relationship (ie Nino) through a rocket that would find its way home to the Venusian's heart? (Forgive me if I'm not as poetic in English as I am in my native tongue.)

chaofan wrote...
Perhaps Nino is just a person who actually is a genius. She may act as if she doesn't know anything, but she may have been able to read Ric from the beginning and decided she wanted to help.

I think you just nailed the reason as to why she is mai waifu. (There's more to her than meets the eye.)

chaofan wrote...
and perhaps it may end up with him finally breaking out of his father's shadow and becoming a successful person without the Ichinomiya creed!

No, he can't be both. If he's to be successful, I doubt he'd give up the family creed after all. But if he's to become a person, that's when he's no longer living by that ridiculous rule.
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Something I noticed in episode 8 was Ric unreluctantly asking for help after jumping in the river. Doesn't it count as a change?
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There's quite a logical explanation as to why he did that. Remember, he was already saved by Nino once and they were but strangers back then. But now, they’re lovers. And surely, you don't think that lovers do nothing but go out on dates, eat together, make out, and have sex, do you?
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Harmonian wrote...
Looks stupid.

it is stupid, but most importantly it is even more hilarious~
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I'm wounded. It's as if you didn't just see the painstaking discussion we were having. Now, even I feel stupid (and still wounded by the way).

And a little quiz:
There is one person under the bridge who is actually sane and just pretending to be denpa for everyone elses sake, and it's not Ric.

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Takes a load off of my mind. (No one plays mind games with me and gets away with it.)
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hermitVI wrote...
There's quite a logical explanation as to why he did that. Remember, he was already saved by Nino once and they were but strangers back then. But now, they’re lovers. And surely, you don't think that lovers do nothing but go out on dates, eat together, make out, and have sex, do you?


quite unusual of you to forget that Sister was also there when he called out for help.

hermitVI wrote...


And a little quiz:
There is one person under the bridge who is actually sane and just pretending to be denpa for everyone elses sake, and it's not Ric.

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Nobody? <_<


Some cool videos inspired by episode 7 xD
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hermitVI wrote...
Let me kick things off by sharing a somewhat familiar quote:

“We are, if anything, creatures of habits. Drawn to the safety and comfort of the familiar. But what happens when the familiar becomes unsafe, when the fear that we have been desperately trying to avoid finds us where we live?”
+1 to whoever gets the reference

And to answer the somewhat rhetorical question:

We adapt (adjust). We deal (cope). We try to find comfort in fear and seek stability among the unknown; only so that we can remain ourselves.

Now, Riku’s the prime example of that. He can’t change himself so instead, he goes about into trying to change the others around him. Without considering perhaps, that these people have experienced much worse than what he’s now. That they, like him, are also coping, just in their own strange ways.

Take Sister for instance, an ex-military man who’s fought in several wars in the past. He sure had seen a lot of what war has to offer-- the death of his comrades, probably even hell itself when he got betrayed and tortured by the woman he loves.

Clearly from his actions today, he’s not forgotten a single thing from his past (nor moved on). One might even (I know I would) say that he’s still living in it; clad in a nun’s dress being the only difference now. Actually, underneath the dress is him wearing his old military uniform. (That, you wouldn’t know, unfortunately, until the second season.)

Need I be a psychiatrist to tell that he could be suffering from PTSD?



Lol. That quotes from "homecoming" isn't it? But yeah. As you pointed out with the analysis of my post before, I believe more in nature and genetics. I also agree with you that environmental can't be spelt without mental!

I guess, to start, what is the defined adult? As you put forth, Kou IS 22 and is he really a defined adult? What are the opinions of anyone for this thread? It is a hard question and I'd like some feedback from everyone!

Hmm... The resistance of change itself... It always is a major factor with accepting people and even yourself in many circumstances. With UB, as you put forth hermit, really puts this quote forward.

With Ric being the main prime example, its like us, going into a completely different culture. I could use myself as an example in this case but UB is already enough of an example. When placed in a difference in culture, people tend to feel uncomfortable and the sense of need to have something 'familiar' to them in order to fit into the culture. Ric again shows this by bringing his 'belongings' to the bridge and building the house under it. This place essentially is a 'haven' for him as he may continue his daily routines [As shown in Bridge 8]. As pointed out by hermit, Ric trying to change people for his own comfort whom are essentially fully developed due to experiences isn't too successful. It's another form of running away from the reality that the creed means nothing within the bridge environment.

This running away from what is unsafe is the ultimate ending for Ric. This "unsafe" familiar he will have to face will be his perhaps last and final challenge to break out of the Ichinomiya creed. It seems that the majority of the crew under the bridge have their own issues. As you said hermit, sister holds MUCH history and this is what makes him act the way he does. Characters like Shiro and the brothers may also have a deeper reason to being under the bridge.

This is what makes this anime so interesting! The amount of depth within these possible issues makes your mind think! Makes you definately feel like a psychiatrist :D.