[Locked] Discussion: Unlicensed Content Removal

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Enjoyed it while it lasted. Guess I'm going to learn to love other sites clunky interfaces and seach. If I'm going to pay for my porn, it's because it is specifically something I want, and am willing to pay for it. I am not going to be forced into paying for ALL my porn. Moralfag all you want, businessfag all you want, I really don't care. There is no longer a reason for me, and many others, to come here. I'll just go directly to the scanlators.
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artcellrox The Grey Knight :y
cruzinforit wrote...
There is no longer a reason for me, and many others, to come here.


Um... I don't know, how about the fucking forums where most of the active community lie?!
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Well it is true that artists deserve a part of the profits, because we consume their products. However, there is no forgiveness for removing a lot of content. Even if if all that content was coming back, it is more likely to return under a subscription model. But I feel that alienates an entire community. I'm not saying that we deserve everything for free, but without content for those who do not pay, there must be an alternative.
I hear a lot about Crunchyroll, personally I dont know how it works, but a subscription model similar to Spotify can be applied to FAKKU. It has all the content you want, but under certain limitations. It is my belief that the forums keep people together and a nice alternative would maintain satisfied those who want free content.
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Hanayome Ultimate Laziness
Themasterof42 wrote...
Well it is true that artists deserve a part of the profits, because we consume their products. However, there is no forgiveness for removing a lot of content. Even if if all that content was coming back, it is more likely to return under a subscription model. But I feel that alienates an entire community. I'm not saying that we deserve everything for free, but without content for those who do not pay, there must be an alternative.
I hear a lot about Crunchyroll, personally I dont know how it works, but a subscription model similar to Spotify can be applied to FAKKU. It has all the content you want, but under certain limitations. It is my belief that the forums keep people together and a nice alternative would maintain satisfied those who want free content.

The Crunchyroll model is that you pay a monthly subscription and you get all the content (except Tankoubon). Jacob has stated that they plan to release free chapters once they've got enough stuff released, but that is probably going to take a few months after magazines are released.
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Joker500 wrote...
Another example is how people have pirated something then later bought it.

That possibly works for some specific contents (ex : video games, light novels) because you prefer to not get ripped off -- which sadly can happen.

What I'm wondering is... whether paid contents will match everyone expectations ?...

If I take myself, I dislike oppai, I dislike loli/shota, I dislike femdom/maledom, I dislike "watersport", etc. I adore romanced vanilla or happy ending, I like a bit of anal, I appreciate few traps stories, etc.

But above all, I never buy some manga/manhwa/manhua/comic/BD/historieta/... if the art doesn't match my taste. BUT I'm afraid that 90% of monthly hentai publications, be it legit or not, don't match this very requirement :-(


To summarize, I'm pretty sure 90% of hentai might/should be remunerated through advertising because there's no better way to make money with them, while 10% of excellent hentai deserves something more in the Fakku Books spirit -- paying the very book of your choice because it's worth it :D



Spoiler:
PS : Lot of mangas (hentai or not) are just made to be ditched in the trash bin as soon as they're read. So it would be "fair" to not pay "high" for such low-quality productions aside through advertisement and all. In the same time, good authors will always stand out sooner or later, even in the middle of trash-productions -- they might/will become individually-paid-worthy productions, and since the reputation (will) exist, people (will) pay for it.
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animefreak_usa Child of Samael
deadsx wrote...
thisguythatguy42 wrote...


In doing so I'm pretty sure you've also kicked, or plan to kick, a lot of your scanlators to the curb, which you've been gracious enough in the past to host their blogs on your domain. I'm pretty sure your move towards "legitimacy" will involve taking all their sites down since all they deal in is unlicensed works. If so, that's fucking low.



I acutally asked about that already.

My original quisetion "Whats going to happen with the groups/translators using a fakku.net adress like Phoenix Syndicate or CGrascal? Would going legit affect there place here at all?"

Blogs we host are not impacted by events that happen on the main site. Each blog operates as its own entity.


Don't forget that Jacob pays some of the translators from some of the sites to translate and edit the books and magazines. Most of the staff are former or current scanlators.
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This has probably been asked before but, how is the money distributed? How much goes to the artists? I know that there are a lot of people involved, just want to know how it's split up.
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Hanayome Ultimate Laziness
ErinTime wrote...
This has probably been asked before but, how is the money distributed? How much goes to the artists? I know that there are a lot of people involved, just want to know how it's split up.

They're not allowed to say. NDA.
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Fligger wrote...
What I'm wondering is... whether paid contents will match everyone expectations ?...

If I take myself, I dislike oppai, I dislike loli/shota, I dislike femdom/maledom, I dislike "watersport", etc. I adore romanced vanilla or happy ending, I like a bit of anal, I appreciate few traps stories, etc.

But above all, I never buy some manga/manhwa/manhua/comic/BD/historieta/... if the art doesn't match my taste. BUT I'm afraid that 90% of monthly hentai publications, be it legit or not, don't match this very requirement :-(


To summarize, I'm pretty sure 90% of hentai might/should be remunerated through advertising because there's no better way to make money with them, while 10% of excellent hentai deserves something more in the Fakku Books spirit -- paying the very book of your choice because it's worth it :D



Spoiler:
PS : Lot of mangas (hentai or not) are just made to be ditched in the trash bin as soon as they're read. So it would be "fair" to not pay "high" for such low-quality productions aside through advertisement and all. In the same time, good authors will always stand out sooner or later, even in the middle of trash-productions -- they might/will become individually-paid-worthy productions, and since the reputation (will) exist, people (will) pay for it.

One good thing about Wani Magazine is that, wether the content matches your tastes or not, the works they publish are high quality in both art and tank releases.
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Hanayome wrote...
ErinTime wrote...
This has probably been asked before but, how is the money distributed? How much goes to the artists? I know that there are a lot of people involved, just want to know how it's split up.

They're not allowed to say. NDA.


Not even a hint? lol
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I may have missed reading this in the forums but, with Fakku's transition to a paysite how will non-subscribers access the site to purchase books and other products? And what will happen to accounts that have been here for a long time but, decide not to subscribe? I personally like reading the comments people make rather then the dojin's in many cases so, subscribing may not be in my best interest but, who knows.
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animefreak_usa Child of Samael
mtlrpzkpfw wrote...
I may have missed reading this in the forums but, with Fakku's transition to a paysite how will non-subscribers access the site to purchase books and other products? And what will happen to accounts that have been here for a long time but, decide not to subscribe? I personally like reading the comments people make rather then the dojin's in many cases so, subscribing may not be in my best interest but, who knows.


Same way you do now. Your account won't be modified and differentiated between those who pay for the magazine or those who don't. It will be like the books. You bought it then it will let you in. Don't and you just won't be able to aces that part.
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animefreak_usa wrote...
mtlrpzkpfw wrote...
I may have missed reading this in the forums but, with Fakku's transition to a paysite how will non-subscribers access the site to purchase books and other products? And what will happen to accounts that have been here for a long time but, decide not to subscribe? I personally like reading the comments people make rather then the dojin's in many cases so, subscribing may not be in my best interest but, who knows.


Same way you do now. Your account won't be modified and differentiated between those who pay for the magazine or those who don't. If will be like the books. You bought it then it will let you in. Don't and you just won't be able to aces that part.


I see. Thanks for the info.
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YQII FAKKU Translator
Some keep bringing up the same argument, so just to make this clear: these changes have nothing to do with us trying to stop piracy in any way.

FAKKU is simply distancing itself from piracy, but no one cares if you chose to continue to pirate.
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blackice85 FAKKU! Gold
YQII wrote...
Some keep bringing up the same argument, so just to make this clear: these changes have nothing to do with us trying to stop piracy in any way.

FAKKU is simply distancing itself from piracy, but no one cares if you chose to continue to pirate.


It sounds like some people are saying (in a roundabout way) that "people are still going to pirate so you guys shouldn't bother removing everything", when that's besides the point. As you said, Fakku has to remove the content in order to make deals with publishers, and there's no such thing as being half-way legit. Honestly I'm surprised that Wani made the deal before everything else was removed, and not just their own stuff.
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.... i have no words. i see the logic. i see what there doing, but every fiber of my being HATES it. ive been with this site from launch more or less, first as a lurker, then as a member, and once more as a lurker. and seeing this i can say i am no removing it from my bookmarks, and will likely never visit again. not when there's so many other options for FREE. check that FREE hentai out there. i am saddened by this turn of events but i understand it was inevitable, so ill leave the bashing to the rest of you.

with that said. fare the well fakku, you will forever hold a place in my heart, many a fap, and a shlick were had thanks to you, i wish you the best of luck on your new journey
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luinthoron High Priest of Loli
ErinTime wrote...
Hanayome wrote...
ErinTime wrote...
This has probably been asked before but, how is the money distributed? How much goes to the artists? I know that there are a lot of people involved, just want to know how it's split up.

They're not allowed to say. NDA.


Not even a hint? lol


IIRC, Jacob has said that the artists get actually more from the Fakku deal than they usually do, but no exact numbers.
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raichama wrote...
Definitely hoping for the Crunchyroll effect to take hold here. CR first had to strike a deal with TV Tokyo, and then as time went on Crunchyroll has not only expanded the reach of legal anime, but also Asian dramas and even manga.

Obviously H-manga and doujinshi are a niche market, even in Japan, but if the recent "gifts" are suggesting what I think they are suggesting, and the positive feedback from H-manga artists like Bosshi and Pyon-Kti keeps coming. I think we can start seeing a Fakku that is not only legit, but has a larger reach than scanalators could ever have. Just think about it, right now H-manga scanalations basically rely on donations. I can definitely imagine a Fakku where for a similar sub fee as CR, we can get an all-you-can-eat package of magazine H-manga and doujinshi, while the larger tankobon are still paid for, maybe discounts for subscribers.

I see all this pushback and I'm puzzled. We've literally been stealing for years and years, every time promising ourselves that we can give back other ways. For anime we justified pirating it because we said we could buy merchandise. But Crunchyroll came in and showed the industry that a Netflix style royalty-based system of bringing legal anime to the States and beyond can actually work. Whatever, it's my two cents on this topic. I welcome the change, right now, sadpanda can probably ease any transitional problems Fakku's legitimization will have. But one day, maybe one day we can have legit H-manga in abundance for a good price...one day.

My thoughts precisely. Sure it won't stop piracy, but the ability to support the artists who create this material is really cool. Being uncensored is just an added bonus. Sure, someone can just upload doujins to SadPanda or Pururin, but I'm OK with supporting the artists, and possibly expanding the market that would have never had a chance before the licensing deals.
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blackice85 wrote...
Honestly I'm surprised that Wani made the deal before everything else was removed, and not just their own stuff.


Maybe less "surprising" if they're confident in their content :

Volaverunt wrote...
One good thing about Wani Magazine is that, wether the content matches your tastes or not, the works they publish are high quality in both art and tank releases.




luinthoron wrote...
IIRC, Jacob has said that the artists get actually more from the Fakku deal than they usually do, but no exact numbers.

This is a good things :-) It may even count as an argument for real fans.
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YQII FAKKU Translator
Fligger wrote...
luinthoron wrote...
IIRC, Jacob has said that the artists get actually more from the Fakku deal than they usually do, but no exact numbers.

This is a good things :-) It may even count as an argument for real fans.

Again, we can't share any actual figures, but I think the events of the past year have been pretty telling. We had Bosshi, Toshio Maeda, and high-ups from Wani coming over to America for AX this month. Authors have, on their own volition, drawn thank you art and interacted with their western audience. We work directly with artists on certain projects such as our skateboards—we just got a few new artists to do some upcoming, exclusive designs for us. We have been approached by artists and companies who want to work with us—and this is not limited to people from the hentai or even manga industry.

In just over a year, Japan has acknowledged the work we put into our products, and perhaps more importantly, the western fans. If we were just lining our own pockets and screwing over everyone in Japan, this would not be the case.