[Locked] FAKKU State of the Union 2016

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boltsandguns wrote...
TheOnlyKami wrote...

Let me offer an alternative. [/b]

Recover all the files you have removed and host it on a new website. This new website will not be hosted by you, instead, but an anonymous volunteer group that will be in charge of maintaining the new site, this volunteer group will be from the old fakku, and will be people who are willing to keep this tradition alive.( I'm sure you understand why the anonymous group is needed instead of yourself) After the site has been created, import all the unlicensed stuff there. Put up a small notification for Fakku users that this new site exists. Now, alias Fakku under this new website. Fakku will still remain the website we all love, and maintain the paywall that it needs.

How will Fakku survive?
Fakku will survive by promotion material of the new website. In fact, I would rather see an advertisement from fakku to buy a book than to fuck a milf that lives near me. When new content comes up on the new website, place a small link for the paid version to the Fakku website. Instead of making people who want to view content pay, make people who love the content and want to 'own' it pay. No doubt that you will not obtain as much money as you did before, but this stop-gap measure satisfies 2 groups of people and leave the 3rd group grasping at nothing, but still generating revenue for the artists. 1. You, as the host of the site, 2. the people who frequent Fakku, 3. the Japanese authorities who try to hunt the anonymous group down.

I think my plan is pretty fool-proof, and any further suggestions would be awesome. Heck, if you decide to take on the plan, I'll be more than happy to admin the new site.

But if not, goodbye Fakku,
We had good years, and now it's time for change.

Words cannot express how fucking awful this idea is, Wani and any other publisher would drop FAKKU in an instant if they tried this. Before you bring it up 'lol anon group is running it' isnt a defense the publishers are not required to work with FAKKU, its an olive branch that they have so far put up with the transition period.


How so? If you're actually smart enough you would not leave any proof of what you do. I do believe Wani and the publishers are linked to fakku by some kind of contract, and if Wani or the other publishers cannot find any proof that this new website is in any way sponsored or supported by fakku, what right do they have to drop it? They themselves would incur charges if they randomly pointed accusations at Jacob.
Besides, so what if new content stops? we're talking about the majority of the population who want the old database back, not the people who don't mind the paywall.
I'm only asking Fakku to donate their old database to pirates who want to keep the dream alive.
I don't know whether you've thought about what you said, but a lot of projects take this kind of turn when the problem of legality shows up, and I see no difference.
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TheOnlyKami wrote...
Let me offer an alternative.

Recover all the files you have removed and host it on a new website. This new website will not be hosted by you, instead, but an anonymous volunteer group that will be in charge of maintaining the new site, this volunteer group will be from the old fakku, and will be people who are willing to keep this tradition alive.( I'm sure you understand why the anonymous group is needed instead of yourself) After the site has been created, import all the unlicensed stuff there. Put up a small notification for Fakku users that this new site exists. Now, alias Fakku under this new website. Fakku will still remain the website we all love, and maintain the paywall that it needs.

How will Fakku survive?
Fakku will survive by promotion material of the new website. In fact, I would rather see an advertisement from fakku to buy a book than to fuck a milf that lives near me. When new content comes up on the new website, place a small link for the paid version to the Fakku website. Instead of making people who want to view content pay, make people who love the content and want to 'own' it pay. No doubt that you will not obtain as much money as you did before, but this stop-gap measure satisfies 2 groups of people and leave the 3rd group grasping at nothing, but still generating revenue for the artists. 1. You, as the host of the site, 2. the people who frequent Fakku, 3. the Japanese authorities who try to hunt the anonymous group down.

I think my plan is pretty fool-proof, and any further suggestions would be awesome. Heck, if you decide to take on the plan, I'll be more than happy to admin the new site.

But if not, goodbye Fakku,
We had good years, and now it's time for change.


There are a number of things wrong with this alternative idea.

1) In Japanese business, honor and trust are HUGE. You betray the trust of a company you are partnered with and you are done doing business in Japan.. FOREVER. The anime / manga / video game industry is especially VERY small. Everyone knows each other and everyone talks. Word spreads VERY VERY fast.

2) Finding out about an alternative site would be VERY EASY to do. Word of mouth, domain records, similar information, a random post here or there. Honestly, it would be very easy to make the connection.

3) You mention putting up a notification on FAKKU about this "alternative site" and putting ads of FAKKU on there. That immediately connects us to it and endorses the continued piracy of the content. This immediately would betray the trust we have built in Japan already.

I'm sorry to break it to you, but this is not how business works. You do not meet with a company, build trust and a relationship with them, to then immediately turn around and betray that trust.

Doing this would not only cause FAKKU's downfall via a massive lawsuit, but also ruin the potential for any future company to try and provide a similar service with any other company in Japan.
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Kaimax Best Master-San
TheOnlyKami wrote...
How so? If you're actually smart enough you would not leave any proof of what you do.

Trying to hide something on the internet? How Naive lol.

I'm only asking Fakku to donate their old database to pirates who want to keep the dream alive.

News Flash, every single site in the world has everything Fakku has regarding the "old content" even without Fakku needing to "donate" them.
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I found that the subscription is very worth it as they publish a wide variety of content each month and I'm happy to see content that would never have been translated by a scanlator come to the light of day (in the English speaking world) I unfortunately had to discontinue my subscription due to personal financial issues, but I will resubscribe once I get a stable income again. (This might not happen before next October tho...)
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I wish you guys luck. Since I'm in Japan currently I may look into going to a comic shop and buying some hentai to help show support. Though anything I buy here will probably end up staying here because I really don't want to smuggle it into the states and I know America is cautious with that kind of stuff being brought in. (Though I don't really understand why... according to my law studying friends nothing in a hentai comic would really be grounds for any legal action, but then you hear stories of people getting in legal trouble for bringing loli or something in with them through customs and that's something I definitely want to live without...)

I just wish I could have gotten the names of the artists I liked on here before the content was removed. I suppose I could do some other searching even if the sites will be of the dubious legality. I don't even want to think of how much stuff I read on here as a dirty pirate. :\ I hope to show support to you guys some day, when I'm not a poor uni student.
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luinthoron High Priest of Loli
dcprawncatcher wrote...
I just wish I could have gotten the names of the artists I liked on here before the content was removed.


If you had them saved in your favorites/collections, exporting these also includes information on the removed content.
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I love that FAKKU has made the decision to remove all unlicensed content from their website, myself as an artist understand how terrible it is to have your work taken from you. I am very happy for their courageous decision and support them 100%, however, the price for subscribing is unrealistic, in my opinion. The only item of luxury I pay that is above $10 is World of Warcraft. But that is for five expansions of content, and endless things to do. Hell, even Hulu and Netflix are priced under $10 a month.

In short, not many logical, normal people, no offense to anyone, would pay over $10 for cartoon porn, albeit a lot of it, but still. It is an unrealistic cost and I would love to see it lowered to something like $8, 9$ a month.

Or, another suggestion, have tiers of subscribe. Perhaps normal content would be priced at $8 or $9 and premium would be your higher cost. I'm not sure what would set the content apart to make premium a sweet deal, but you guys at fakku are the thinkers.

I love you guys at FAKKU and I won't leave, but as the price remains where it is, it is currently not a luxury I am willing to pay for.

Cow out.
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Kisuka wrote...
TheOnlyKami wrote...
Let me offer an alternative.

Recover all the files you have removed and host it on a new website. This new website will not be hosted by you, instead, but an anonymous volunteer group that will be in charge of maintaining the new site, this volunteer group will be from the old fakku, and will be people who are willing to keep this tradition alive.( I'm sure you understand why the anonymous group is needed instead of yourself) After the site has been created, import all the unlicensed stuff there. Put up a small notification for Fakku users that this new site exists. Now, alias Fakku under this new website. Fakku will still remain the website we all love, and maintain the paywall that it needs.

How will Fakku survive?
Fakku will survive by promotion material of the new website. In fact, I would rather see an advertisement from fakku to buy a book than to fuck a milf that lives near me. When new content comes up on the new website, place a small link for the paid version to the Fakku website. Instead of making people who want to view content pay, make people who love the content and want to 'own' it pay. No doubt that you will not obtain as much money as you did before, but this stop-gap measure satisfies 2 groups of people and leave the 3rd group grasping at nothing, but still generating revenue for the artists. 1. You, as the host of the site, 2. the people who frequent Fakku, 3. the Japanese authorities who try to hunt the anonymous group down.

I think my plan is pretty fool-proof, and any further suggestions would be awesome. Heck, if you decide to take on the plan, I'll be more than happy to admin the new site.

But if not, goodbye Fakku,
We had good years, and now it's time for change.


There are a number of things wrong with this alternative idea.

1) In Japanese business, honor and trust are HUGE. You betray the trust of a company you are partnered with and you are done doing business in Japan.. FOREVER. The anime / manga / video game industry is especially VERY small. Everyone knows each other and everyone talks. Word spreads VERY VERY fast.

2) Finding out about an alternative site would be VERY EASY to do. Word of mouth, domain records, similar information, a random post here or there. Honestly, it would be very easy to make the connection.

3) You mention putting up a notification on FAKKU about this "alternative site" and putting ads of FAKKU on there. That immediately connects us to it and endorses the continued piracy of the content. This immediately would betray the trust we have built in Japan already.

I'm sorry to break it to you, but this is not how business works. You do not meet with a company, build trust and a relationship with them, to then immediately turn around and betray that trust.

Doing this would not only cause FAKKU's downfall via a massive lawsuit, but also ruin the potential for any future company to try and provide a similar service with any other company in Japan.


I do agree with what you've said, and I'd like to think if a plan like this were to be carried out, it would have revisions.

1) I do not know much about trust between Japanese companies, but I think from my sparse business engagements with them, I can conclude what you say is right. Thus I wholly agree but think that this should still be carried out. I would like to say though, that the anime/manga/video game industry in Japan is not as small as you think it is. What globalized it, and possibly 'shrinked' its supposed size is probably the internet.

2) All I am merely seeking for is material, and possibly permission to replicate a UI. Understandably materials are easy to obtain from other places, but since, my motive here is to preserve the fakku from the past, I would like to derive it from here.

3) Perhaps that does seem like fakku does endorse piracy, and I agree.I take that back, fakku should not post or in fact advertise if this supposed website were to happen.

About business, I work in a company where I manage company-company relations, and I can assure you, trust and relationship are not the only things at play in a deal. Many other factors are involved and many try to attain the upper hand by using cunning terms to negotiate. Trust is almost always thrown on the afterburner when profit is involved.

I do understand where you are heading, but I think you misunderstand the fact that I do not want to create a copy of old Fakku, instead I want another standalone site that supports fakku because the original user base came from fakku. If supporting fakku will bring about its downfall, then by all means, no relations at all should be had.

Kaimax wrote...
TheOnlyKami wrote...
How so? If you're actually smart enough you would not leave any proof of what you do.

Trying to hide something on the internet? How Naive lol.

I'm only asking Fakku to donate their old database to pirates who want to keep the dream alive.

News Flash, every single site in the world has everything Fakku has regarding the "old content" even without Fakku needing to "donate" them.


I would like it if you refrained from personal attacks?

Maybe you don't know about the many things that people do on the internet that everyone doesn't have the proof for yet.

If you looked closer you might see that I'm not going for the database, I'm going for the clean UI. And sure, everything in fakku can be found somewhere else, I'm just paying my respects.
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At one point, you have to understand that fakku doesnt want to risk losing business to the authors, and would probably not make a move that can potentially lose trust from the japs.

They already sacrificed losing lots of leechers to do this.
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why must it be sub only?
you can do donations and give subscription time based on donation amount? then it can work via paypal. just have a button to donate. and confirm transactions with person by having him send you a screenshot via pm. multiple trading sites do digital transactions that way. it "supports" them.
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For some reason ever since this update I got desubbed and my mastercard does not work for the site anymore. I tried several other mastercards all resulting in the same error when trying to go through with payment...
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blackice85 FAKKU! Gold
unicon wrote...
why must it be sub only?
you can do donations and give subscription time based on donation amount? then it can work via paypal. just have a button to donate. and confirm transactions with person by having him send you a screenshot via pm. multiple trading sites do digital transactions that way. it "supports" them.


That's a blatant workaround that PayPal will surely notice. They've said that they actually have employees whose job it is to watch for that sort of thing, so it'll only get Fakku into trouble with them.
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Kaimax wrote...
News Flash, every single site in the world has everything Fakku has regarding the "old content" even without Fakku needing to "donate" them.

Not to mention all the sites already hosting all the subscription content.
What FAKKU now offers should not be seen as exclusive content, nothing is ever exclusive on the internet, it should be seen as a way to help more content get translated and uncensored.
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herpduck1 wrote...
Kaimax wrote...
News Flash, every single site in the world has everything Fakku has regarding the "old content" even without Fakku needing to "donate" them.

Not to mention all the sites already hosting all the subscription content.
What FAKKU now offers should not be seen as exclusive content, nothing is ever exclusive on the internet, it should be seen as a way to help more content get translated and uncensored.


Fakku can always throw a DMCA. They'll probably do it if wani demands it.

I will always find pirating something that can legally be acquired as deplorable and disrespectful, hence no respect in return.
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hgatedc wrote...
herpduck1 wrote...
Kaimax wrote...
News Flash, every single site in the world has everything Fakku has regarding the "old content" even without Fakku needing to "donate" them.

Not to mention all the sites already hosting all the subscription content.
What FAKKU now offers should not be seen as exclusive content, nothing is ever exclusive on the internet, it should be seen as a way to help more content get translated and uncensored.


Fakku can always throw a DMCA. They'll probably do it if wani demands it.

I will always find pirating something that can legally be acquired as deplorable and disrespectful, hence no respect in return.


Honestly, DMCA's are not the answer. Fight one site and ten new ones will pop up so it solves nothing. Seeing where Fakku comes from it would be hypocrite to DMCA other sites as well if you ask me. Let Wani send out DMCA's themselves when they feel the need for it.
Fakku should focus on making it worth for people to sub as they have been doing until now.
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hgatedc wrote...
Fakku can always throw a DMCA. They'll probably do it if wani demands it.

There is plenty of hosts and countries that could not care less about DMCA, strictly speaking it has no grounds outside of the US (however a majority of western-located hosts still abides by it).
Not to mention, it's fairly easy to make it a real chore for those trying to send DMCA.
As everything else pirate related, it will just be endless unwinnable wack-a-mole. I think FAKKU has their heads in the right place, ignoring a majority of the piracy and try offering a solid service.
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Rage wrote...
hgatedc wrote...
herpduck1 wrote...
Kaimax wrote...
News Flash, every single site in the world has everything Fakku has regarding the "old content" even without Fakku needing to "donate" them.

Not to mention all the sites already hosting all the subscription content.
What FAKKU now offers should not be seen as exclusive content, nothing is ever exclusive on the internet, it should be seen as a way to help more content get translated and uncensored.


Fakku can always throw a DMCA. They'll probably do it if wani demands it.

I will always find pirating something that can legally be acquired as deplorable and disrespectful, hence no respect in return.


Honestly, DMCA's are not the answer. Fight one site and ten new ones will pop up so it solves nothing. Seeing where Fakku comes from it would be hypocrite to DMCA other sites as well if you ask me. Let Wani send out DMCA's themselves when they feel the need for it.
Fakku should focus on making it worth for people to sub as they have been doing until now.


Not really. As jacob said, his goal for fakku is to support the artists. There just no official means before. Now there is. It does trample what was done before but that doesnt mean its wrong. Trample all your history if you believe what you are doing is right.

Throwing out a DMCA out there isnt wrong in accordance to fakku and jacobs goals. And in my opinion should be done.

Also its not morally wrong, to protect and give what is due to the artist. This is what general fakku users are forgetting.
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TheOnlyKami wrote...
Kisuka wrote...
TheOnlyKami wrote...
Let me offer an alternative.

Recover all the files you have removed and host it on a new website. This new website will not be hosted by you, instead, but an anonymous volunteer group that will be in charge of maintaining the new site, this volunteer group will be from the old fakku, and will be people who are willing to keep this tradition alive.( I'm sure you understand why the anonymous group is needed instead of yourself) After the site has been created, import all the unlicensed stuff there. Put up a small notification for Fakku users that this new site exists. Now, alias Fakku under this new website. Fakku will still remain the website we all love, and maintain the paywall that it needs.

How will Fakku survive?
Fakku will survive by promotion material of the new website. In fact, I would rather see an advertisement from fakku to buy a book than to fuck a milf that lives near me. When new content comes up on the new website, place a small link for the paid version to the Fakku website. Instead of making people who want to view content pay, make people who love the content and want to 'own' it pay. No doubt that you will not obtain as much money as you did before, but this stop-gap measure satisfies 2 groups of people and leave the 3rd group grasping at nothing, but still generating revenue for the artists. 1. You, as the host of the site, 2. the people who frequent Fakku, 3. the Japanese authorities who try to hunt the anonymous group down.

I think my plan is pretty fool-proof, and any further suggestions would be awesome. Heck, if you decide to take on the plan, I'll be more than happy to admin the new site.

But if not, goodbye Fakku,
We had good years, and now it's time for change.


There are a number of things wrong with this alternative idea.

1) In Japanese business, honor and trust are HUGE. You betray the trust of a company you are partnered with and you are done doing business in Japan.. FOREVER. The anime / manga / video game industry is especially VERY small. Everyone knows each other and everyone talks. Word spreads VERY VERY fast.

2) Finding out about an alternative site would be VERY EASY to do. Word of mouth, domain records, similar information, a random post here or there. Honestly, it would be very easy to make the connection.

3) You mention putting up a notification on FAKKU about this "alternative site" and putting ads of FAKKU on there. That immediately connects us to it and endorses the continued piracy of the content. This immediately would betray the trust we have built in Japan already.

I'm sorry to break it to you, but this is not how business works. You do not meet with a company, build trust and a relationship with them, to then immediately turn around and betray that trust.

Doing this would not only cause FAKKU's downfall via a massive lawsuit, but also ruin the potential for any future company to try and provide a similar service with any other company in Japan.


I do agree with what you've said, and I'd like to think if a plan like this were to be carried out, it would have revisions.

1) I do not know much about trust between Japanese companies, but I think from my sparse business engagements with them, I can conclude what you say is right. Thus I wholly agree but think that this should still be carried out. I would like to say though, that the anime/manga/video game industry in Japan is not as small as you think it is. What globalized it, and possibly 'shrinked' its supposed size is probably the internet.

2) All I am merely seeking for is material, and possibly permission to replicate a UI. Understandably materials are easy to obtain from other places, but since, my motive here is to preserve the fakku from the past, I would like to derive it from here.

3) Perhaps that does seem like fakku does endorse piracy, and I agree.I take that back, fakku should not post or in fact advertise if this supposed website were to happen.

About business, I work in a company where I manage company-company relations, and I can assure you, trust and relationship are not the only things at play in a deal. Many other factors are involved and many try to attain the upper hand by using cunning terms to negotiate. Trust is almost always thrown on the afterburner when profit is involved.

I do understand where you are heading, but I think you misunderstand the fact that I do not want to create a copy of old Fakku, instead I want another standalone site that supports fakku because the original user base came from fakku. If supporting fakku will bring about its downfall, then by all means, no relations at all should be had.


When someone talks about "the industry" they do not include the audience or consumer as part of "the industry". So when I say the anime industry is small, I am not saying the audience is small. The industry itself, the people who create & license the anime / manga / video games, is very small even without the internet.

About business, I've been working at FAKKU for a year. But before that I worked at Digital Manga. Before that I worked at Anime Expo for 5 years. Girlfriend works for Good Smile Company. Being in the industry, you quickly realize that everyone knows each other and everyone works together at some point in one way or another. The anime / manga / game industry is small. That's a fact.

> Trust is almost always thrown on the afterburner when profit is involved.
That may be true in western business practices, but in Japan, you do that and they will blackball you. In Japan, Trust is the key and utmost important factor when doing business.

dcprawncatcher wrote...
I wish you guys luck. Since I'm in Japan currently I may look into going to a comic shop and buying some hentai to help show support. Though anything I buy here will probably end up staying here because I really don't want to smuggle it into the states and I know America is cautious with that kind of stuff being brought in. (Though I don't really understand why... according to my law studying friends nothing in a hentai comic would really be grounds for any legal action, but then you hear stories of people getting in legal trouble for bringing loli or something in with them through customs and that's something I definitely want to live without...)


I've never had any issues bringing in doujinshi from Japan o.O Canada maybe but the US? Nah. It's very rare that they search your bags. They just ask "you have any tobacco, firearms or produce? why were you there? okay. welcome home". You could even apply for the Global Entry thing by TSA to have an extra layer of trust from TSA.
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hgatedc wrote...
Not really. As jacob said, his goal for fakku is to support the artists. There just no official means before. Now there is. It does trample what was done before but that doesnt mean its wrong. Trample all your history if you believe what you are doing is right.

Throwing out a DMCA out there isnt wrong in accordance to fakku and jacobs goals. And in my opinion should be done.

Also its not morally wrong, to protect and give what is due to the artist. This is what general fakku users are forgetting.


I am not saying Fakku does not have the right to send DMCA's, as the official distributor they obviously do. But I do not think it will solve anything and it will only increase the resistance against the recent decisions made by Fakku. So it could possibly even have a negative effect on Fakku's growth.

So I am happy by the stance Fakku has taken against piracy until now. Fighting it would mean a never ending battle that won't be won. A waste of resources if you ask me.
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animefreak_usa Child of Samael
Jacob fighting piracy? Hmmm well not online then because i found all fakku's stuff on every torrent site and many readers. Maybe if the chinese bootleg printed books maybe.