[Locked] Simulpublished Magazines and Content Removal

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Jacob wrote...
riggy wrote...
Why is 'controversial content' being removed? Who decides what is controversial? I don't want to visit here any more if I can't have monster girls.


All unlicensed content is being removed.

So if I'm reading this right, a good chunk of the site is about to disappear? And we'll have to pay to access nearly everything unless the artist decides to make it free? And what happened to the tags which disappeared?
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Well, think it's about time I find another fan-translation site. Between removing, re-adding and again removing the "controversial" tags and now ALL fan-translated stuff being taken down, I'm basically done with Fakku. It's a shame, it's been a good place and I have no idea if I'll find anything that can replace it.

I can understand wanting to go legit, but doing it this way is just going to drive off most of the viewership. I don't see why you couldn't keep the fan-translated stuff for free-reading and add the legit stuff for paying viewers.
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Jacob wrote...
KosKaz wrote...
So let me see if I can get this straight. Fakku - a site that has been running free for 8 years now, is - in the span of about a month - going to completely transition into a premium site. Now that might not be the biggest deal in the world if that meant that we would have to pay, but still have access to everything the site has to offer. But not only do we have to pay to have access to the site, we have to pay to have access to the EXTREMELY decreased content, and on top of that, content that only updates a few times a month. This is the internet, the mass majority of users on sites such as these are only interested if they can get it for free.

I can understand trying to do more with the site and trying to grow it, and as a user who doesn't care to pay for stuff that can be found for free elsewhere I'm cool with changing sites no problem, no love lost. However on a business standpoint, alienating the majority of your users, seemingly intentionally diverting webtraffic away from your site, and creating a premium product that can easily be re-distributed on non-premium sites is beyond me as to how this seemed like a good idea. Especially considering the sudden-ness of these announcements and lack of transparency this group has shown. As an consumer, even if I was willing to pay for content, I'd still take my money else-where.

Now I'm just a no-body who only made an account to bypass the content filter, but that's just my opinion on this whole thing. Sorry if I was mistaken about something in this post.


We'll be launching with a bunch of content and will be releasing multiple chapters each day. I assure you this will be worth it and there will be far more content than you can reasonably fap to. This is a huge change for FAKKU, but I firmly believe it's a good one. Being able to work with these artists and contribute back to them is more important to me than anything else.

So content is no longer controlled by users, content is no longer free, and all the old content is gone? I'm sorry, Jacob. I don't want to sound like a brat, but you have to understand this sounds like an absolutely terrible, terrible deal from the user's perspective. We gain nothing from this.
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Jacob wrote...
Vampiric Wrath wrote...
Well Fakku just died in my eyes. After enjoying this community for years it looks like its time to turn my back on this once great retreat. Jacob your proof that when people start to get enough money to enjoy there lives they just want more and more. 90% of the people on this site are here for the free porn and the community not to pay fucking money for shit we can get elsewhere. Enjoy your millions built on our broken dreams, you fucking sellout.


This isn't about us making money. I did not make FAKKU to be a pirate or to fuck over these artists/publishers. I made it because I wanted to fap to awesome hentai and there was no legal service that was worth paying for. We now have the opportunity to create one. The opportunity to work with artists/publishers on high quality English releases is more important to me than continuing to pirate. I'm sorry if you refuse to pay for things, but I do not share that opinion.


This is about money, Jacob. Don't even pretend for one god damned second it isn't. I won't knock you for it, but don't pretend it isn't. Like many other people on here with a shitty computer and shitty internet living in a shitty one room abode with shitty nothing every day, I can't afford a goddamned subscription, and your high and mighty bullshit "I'm sorry if you refuse to pay for things" is really fucking irritating.

I see now the direction you want to take, and I have this to say about it: Choke on it, buddy.
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Gwyrion wrote...
Jacob wrote...
Vampiric Wrath wrote...
Well Fakku just died in my eyes. After enjoying this community for years it looks like its time to turn my back on this once great retreat. Jacob your proof that when people start to get enough money to enjoy there lives they just want more and more. 90% of the people on this site are here for the free porn and the community not to pay fucking money for shit we can get elsewhere. Enjoy your millions built on our broken dreams, you fucking sellout.


This isn't about us making money. I did not make FAKKU to be a pirate or to fuck over these artists/publishers. I made it because I wanted to fap to awesome hentai and there was no legal service that was worth paying for. We now have the opportunity to create one. The opportunity to work with artists/publishers on high quality English releases is more important to me than continuing to pirate. I'm sorry if you refuse to pay for things, but I do not share that opinion.


This is about money, Jacob. Don't even pretend for one god damned second it isn't. I won't knock you for it, but don't pretend it isn't. Like many other people on here with a shitty computer and shitty internet living in a shitty one room abode with shitty nothing every day, I can't afford a goddamned subscription, and your high and mighty bullshit "I'm sorry if you refuse to pay for things" is really fucking irritating.

I see now the direction you want to take, and I have this to say about it: Choke on it, buddy.


I think it's absurd to say money has no part in it, but Jacob responded to a post calling him a sellout and that this was all because of Fakku getting paid. When you are issued a takedown notice for a majority of your content. Usually you would see people step down and take down their content, but Fakku stepped up and worked out a deal with the people who issued the takedown notice. I think that takes balls to do, and I also think that Wani, the takedown notice people, would not work out a deal with Fakku if they weren't going to make money off of them legally publishing books from their content. Jacob isn't neccesarily the source of the money situation. I also am on a very low income, and I don't know if I'll feasibly be able to use Fakku once it makes the transition into being a business and not a free website, that has a business on the side. I will, however, continue to support Fakku even if I can't actually view any of their content because this is about a college student who spent 8 years building his dream, and to let that all crumble down in front of him isn't something he wants. Fakku isn't a large corporation, and they're struggling to keep up with the millions of users on the site who want their porn free and don't care about the people putting the content out there.
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Well first off, I will come back and check out this new Fakku because I've loved this site forever. It sounds like it could be amazing (all in due time).

Also I believe most of the flame coming at Fakku/Jacob is because of a couple reasons

1. You are removing ALL unlicensed (which DUH you have too), but you for some reason decided to Discriminate against a select few. Hence the large backlash. If you would have just removed everything like a week or less before the first month of NewFakku it would be fair and just. But with what you did most all controversial viewers are gone never to be seen again. (As MLK jr. kind of said "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men/Hentai are created equal." and thus should be treated EQUALLY, not tossed like 6 months early)

2. Plus everyone that posted here or read what was going on most likely had not fapped yet and had that nice mix of sexual frustration and being treated like trash (guilty).

all our tags are is just dust in the wind. ~(T-T\) Farewell, Bon Voyage, Ciao, Tschuss!
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animefreak_usa Child of Samael
OtakuMage wrote...

I can understand wanting to go legit, but doing it this way is just going to drive off most of the viewership. I don't see why you couldn't keep the fan-translated stuff for free-reading and add the legit stuff for paying viewers.


If you draw comics and a site was willing to sell your stuff, but there also a bunch of pirated books or a better example you're a musician and itutnes pick up your album, but also there pirated stuff similar to your music also... would you be willing to work with them? Now times that with a grip of other artists and big corporations backing their intellectual property to a non native company who is a pirate site. It a wonder Wani even agree to let fakku have the library without a ntr style geshia bukkake circle jerk and suck line from CEO to the guy who waters the plants.
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Sgt.broski Where's the futa Jacob
Whatever Jacob.
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Jacob wrote...
06/2015: Removal of some specific unlicensed publishers and controversial content


Why are you removing "controversial" content after having talked about how you thought that Fakku would host art, and that art shouldn't be judged based on it's content. The feature that would disallow content if you wanted it disallowed seems pointless if you're just going to remove it in the long run anyway. The statements made in the ANN Podcast also seem to be the opposite of what is happening now because you just posted you're removing "controversial" content. Does controversial mean Loli, Incest, Forced, Monster Girl etc. Tags or does it mean specific content within those tags that you are trying to flush out, and have made the tags unviewable for the time being while you sort through though tags to find the content you want to remove, and then the tags will be back? I am a huge supporter of all the tags that got "removed".
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Controversial unlicensed content is getting removed. Nowhere did Jacob ever say that controversial content would be removed from the site entirely. Wouldn't make much sense to publish Hanafuda if he wanted to do that, would it?
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SprAlanJS wrote...
Jacob wrote...
06/2015: Removal of some specific unlicensed publishers and controversial content


Why are you removing "controversial" content after having talked about how you thought that Fakku would host art, and that art shouldn't be judged based on it's content. The feature that would disallow content if you wanted it disallowed seems pointless if you're just going to remove it in the long run anyway. The statements made in the ANN Podcast also seem to be the opposite of what is happening now because you just posted you're removing "controversial" content. Does controversial mean Loli, Incest, Forced, Monster Girl etc. Tags or does it mean specific content within those tags that you are trying to flush out, and have made the tags unviewable for the time being while you sort through though tags to find the content you want to remove, and then the tags will be back? I am a huge supporter of all the tags that got "removed".


A significant amount of content has already been removed the past few days that had nothing to do with the controversial tags.
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Jacob wrote...
A significant amount of content has already been removed the past few days that had nothing to do with the controversial tags.


I am in full support of any licensed content being removed, but I was wondering why the controversial content was getting "removed". It's all on the backend of the site it seems like, it just isn't viewable by the users. I just saw a Loli and Forced upload via my Notifications, but the content is unavailable.
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Jacob wrote...
I hope that everyone can accept that although the loss of unlicensed content definitely sucks, the end result is significantly better for everyone.


This can be true, but it is not necessarily true, and, as Fakku is doing it, is not true at all.

This is true to the extent that the licensed product that will be made available is a perfect or better substitute for the unlicensed material that is being lost. This, frankly, has not been and shows no sign yet of being the case. Maybe it will be in the future. If you come to Fakku for doujinshi, though, you're losing everything of value and getting nothing you want in return. If you come to Fakku for Yuri, you're losing everything of value and getting nothing in return. It's not just these two. There's a whole list. The list is not a short one.

Basically, you're providing a lot of one type of the content Fakku currently hosts in licensed form and removing all other types of content in exchange. You're positing that being able to support artists directly and have content that is licensed is a benefit that makes up for the loss, but that benefit frankly only matters if you have content people want to support. Since you're only giving one type of content, there are a lot of people for whom the benefits you cite have no appeal at all. If I'm someone who just started hitting up Fakku recently now that the genderbend tag was added to find good genderbend manga, for example, why would I care about supporting works with no genderbending in them when the genderbending works I came here to begin with are removed? Why would I see supporting producers of content I have no interest in any kind of benefit at all?

Now I understand why you're doing this. Sticking with unlicensed content isn't the best business model, and you don't want to just be a fan community. You want to be a business. The fact of the matter remains, though, that for a lot of the content that is being removed, there remains no legitimate avenue for non-japanese speakers to enjoy them. You may feel it's not good business to offer then in unlicensed form, but right now, there are no businesses offering them licensed. That's why they scanlated. That's why they're posted up in unlicensed form.

Presumably, if all goes well for you, you'll begin filling out your catalogue and some of the types of content that you're cutting out now will make a return. You've not said anything to that extent in your announcements, though. You've made no promises. All we have right now are assurances that the future is going to be great. For those who come here even in part for something other than the one type of licensed content you'll be producing, though, that's hardly a reassuring assurance.
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luinthoron High Priest of Loli
freefall111 wrote...
We gain nothing from this.


Except for about 40 new chapters per month, right? Possibly more if other companies than Wani decide to join in as well, once the pirated content hindering this is gone? And this in addition to already existing and further upcoming books that are of a higher quality than any other manga published in English, including non-hentai works, of course.


Perianth wrote...
The fact of the matter remains, though, that for a lot of the content that is being removed, there remains no legitimate avenue for non-japanese speakers to enjoy them.


And there was none before. Just because they were posted here, doesn't make this in any way legitimate. And this is also why, to be able to properly do business with the owners of this content, Fakku has no choice but to remove it, no matter how much it pains us, and them.
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Perianth wrote...
Jacob wrote...
I hope that everyone can accept that although the loss of unlicensed content definitely sucks, the end result is significantly better for everyone.


Presumably, if all goes well for you, you'll begin filling out your catalogue and some of the types of content that you're cutting out now will make a return. You've not said anything to that extent in your announcements, though. You've made no promises. All we have right now are assurances that the future is going to be great. For those who come here even in part for something other than the one type of licensed content you'll be producing, though, that's hardly a reassuring assurance.


You can expect that as we continue to grow, so will our catalog. We've been purposely releasing the most popular artists/genres because that is the smartest thing to do, it allows us to grow faster and show that we are capable of contributing back to the industry in Japan. We will publish yuri, yaoi, bara, everything.
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Jacob wrote...
Perianth wrote...
Jacob wrote...
I hope that everyone can accept that although the loss of unlicensed content definitely sucks, the end result is significantly better for everyone.


Presumably, if all goes well for you, you'll begin filling out your catalogue and some of the types of content that you're cutting out now will make a return. You've not said anything to that extent in your announcements, though. You've made no promises. All we have right now are assurances that the future is going to be great. For those who come here even in part for something other than the one type of licensed content you'll be producing, though, that's hardly a reassuring assurance.


You can expect that as we continue to grow, so will our catalog. We've been purposely releasing the most popular artists/genres because that is the smartest thing to do, it allows us to grow faster and show that we are capable of contributing back to the industry in Japan. We will publish yuri, yaoi, bara, everything.


I understand that. The options we'll be losing (hopefully only in the short term) were always going be the least profitable options. I hope you continue to understand that does not make them the least enjoyed for many of us.

I'll also look forward to your carrying everything. I like to assume your future will have you adopting something like the Crunchyroll model of making a bid on everything, and anything you don't carry won't be for lack of trying. In the interim, though, many of us will be lying in wait, hoping for your future to go the way you've planned.
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Jacob wrote...
You can expect that as we continue to grow, so will our catalog. We've been purposely releasing the most popular artists/genres because that is the smartest thing to do, it allows us to grow faster and show that we are capable of contributing back to the industry in Japan. We will publish yuri, yaoi, bara, everything.


I'm going to just go ahead and assume the everything literally means everything. Does that mean you're going to even add stuff that Fakku doesn't already have, like guro/vore? I guess there's those zombie ones which are guro-ish and then some of FatalPulse's stuff can get kind of edgy on the amputee side, but so far the guro stuff on Fakku's been really tame.

Personally I'm not a huge fan of guro/vore. I know that there are others that are though, so hey whatever, expand the fan base.

Being that you are looking at a subscriber model though I assume the new system is going to be as user friendly as possible (nobody likes paying for shitty service). Will I be able to block tags/artists the same way I subscribe to them? The "Show controversial content" stuff is nice and all, but there's definite degrees of controversial.
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EtnaLover Icy-Sniper
So can u clearly state what happens to the controversal content itself, i mean it all sounds very well but goodwill aside, i bought books and will continue to do so(so nobody can call me a freeloader here)

i have a vast amount of favourites which has "controversal" content, yet basically everything with these tags is not available. So how much is gonna be deleted roughly? I mean if u say only unlicenced one and about 90% are unlicenced....well u know what i mean.

Just want a clear answer so i start looking for a site to recover my favourites. In any case would be nice to let the favourites lists as they are now so people can look what is not available anymore. Over the years i collected quite a few favs i hat to loose simply i can't remember their names. It's pretty frustrating to see the tags missing, returning and now again going missing.... i can totally understand why people abadon the site, the community feels ill treatet, the worst is: they are right. The whole beating around the bush stuff really strained our nerves. If i had known that u start removing the content, i would have saved the content already but I BELIEVED it would not happen. Now im here, kinda... mad cause it will be alot of work to make a list of my faves as i can't even see the artist names anymore. At least give people the option to download their fav and collections as a textfile or anything with name and artist, shouldn't be that hard.

I mean when it's about if licenced or not, why does the controversial content is gone as a whole again.~

Anyways, how much free content will there be, if any? If the whole site goes behind a paywall...dunno, i for example cant pay montly for acces~ xD

Regards, EtnaLover~
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I really hope to see some Shiwasu no Okina sometime soon as well
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So you will start hunting your long-time collaborators? What about works sold on conventions? I understand getting rid of translations from magazine you now own and i'm more than willing to pay for it, but what about doujinshi stuff? You've deleted stuff that isn't owned by Wani. I'm fine as long as you don't become the next YenPress/Project-H.