[Locked] Maitetsu patch does not replace all-age cgs

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Plutomutt wrote...
Manga Gamer on the other hand has already successfully put out 3(!!) VNs that include loli content, 2 of which are exclusively that content, and has had no problems marketing or selling them. Imouto Paradise is even one of their best sellers! They should have been the ones to work with Maitetsu and forever after I'll wonder why they didn't...

MangaGamer staff have said previously that Lose games like Monobeno were a non-starter. Other publishers have echoed this sentiment to me. I think we're quite fortunate that FAKKU agreed to distribute this title. If not for them taking a more-or-less ideological stand, I don't think an official adult release in English would've been possible.
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raymaptives wrote...
Jacob wrote...
The publisher is currently in talks with the developer in Japan to resolve this issue. I'll update this topic as soon as I know more. Once we get the fixed version of the game, we will automatically update the Maitetsu and Maitetsu (18+ DLC) pages with new downloads in addition to posting an update in this thread with more information.

As with all purchases on FAKKU, if anyone would like a refund you can email support@fakku.net and we'll take care of it immediately.


I contacted support. Is there is an ETA on when they can start refunding?

FAKKU Support
11:24 AM (4 hours ago)
to me
Hello raymaptives,

Apologies, we are currently away setting up at Anime Expo and will be able to handle the refund or trade request when we return. Sorry for the inconvenience caused by this!
-- Curtis


I'll get you refunded by tonight once I get home from setting up the booth for AX. Sorry for the delay.
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Kisuka wrote...
I'll get you refunded by tonight once I get home from setting up the booth for AX. Sorry for the delay.


Thanks.
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Reminder that Dovac is a liar and will lie through his teeth to save face. To me this whole "waiting the developer in Japan to approve" is just an excuse to evade and do nothing, again. Why wouldn't Lose say "yes, go fix your shit"? I'm really tempted to send an email to Lose myself, I hope google translator is good enough for them.
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Plutomutt Loli Connoisseur
sanahtlig wrote...

MangaGamer staff have said previously that Lose games like Monobeno were a non-starter. Other publishers have echoed this sentiment to me. I think we're quite fortunate that FAKKU agreed to distribute this title. If not for them taking a more-or-less ideological stand, I don't think an official adult release in English would've been possible.


What is their reasoning for this?

Especially since Lose is a well-respected company that's even able to get games on the PS4 VR...??? It can't JUST be the content since MG has already released loli VNs..... 🤔🤔🤔
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Lose would probably be more than happy to localize Monobeno if the opportunity arose though. They really pushed for the Maitetsu uncut release even though SP initially wanted to only do all ages. All that's needed is a localizer willing to do it. Unless Lose decides to do it themselves and use Fakku as the platform.
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Kisuka wrote...
raymaptives wrote...
Jacob wrote...
The publisher is currently in talks with the developer in Japan to resolve this issue. I'll update this topic as soon as I know more. Once we get the fixed version of the game, we will automatically update the Maitetsu and Maitetsu (18+ DLC) pages with new downloads in addition to posting an update in this thread with more information.

As with all purchases on FAKKU, if anyone would like a refund you can email support@fakku.net and we'll take care of it immediately.


I contacted support. Is there is an ETA on when they can start refunding?

FAKKU Support
11:24 AM (4 hours ago)
to me
Hello raymaptives,

Apologies, we are currently away setting up at Anime Expo and will be able to handle the refund or trade request when we return. Sorry for the inconvenience caused by this!
-- Curtis


I'll get you refunded by tonight once I get home from setting up the booth for AX. Sorry for the delay.


I don't know if its too much to ask but i was wondering if you could do mine as well? I got the same message.
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Plutomutt wrote...
What is their reasoning for this?

Especially since Lose is a well-respected company that's even able to get games on the PS4 VR...??? It can't JUST be the content since MG has already released loli VNs..... 🤔🤔🤔

MangaGamer, like most English publishers, is reluctant to localize and host erogames with heroines that are very child-like. That was the stated reason for Monobeno not being a title they'd be interested in. Publishers focused on adult content don't want to pick up games they'd feel compelled to censor, as it's bad for their reputation. Ironically, it probably took a company like Sekai Project--one that's shameless and doesn't care about its reputation as an adult publisher--to make this release a reality.
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razisgosu wrote...
Mangagamer hasn't exactly released loli visual novels. At least not one whose sole focus was lolis. The closest thing would be their sweat in summer release imo.
Imouto Paradise is well known for having a focus on Loli characters though... And a game like Boob Wars for instance has a heavy focus on Loli characters as well as taller girls.
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Well, I retrieved my old FAKKU account just for this game, and there are problems... Why am I not surprised seeing Sekai Project's name ?

I seriously wanted to trust them for this game, even more knowing FAKKU would sell it. THe result is what we have today... I won't ask a refund, because it wasn't a lot of money, but I hope FAKKU will be able to pressure SP enough to patch those issues as fast as possible.

Oh and a word about Dovac : lol. He's known for his behavior, and it seems some things never change. Never buy SP VN unless you can certify the quality is the best yo can have.

I hope FAKKU will be able to deliver us the true ultimate train experience.
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I'll be at Anime Expo through Sunday so I probably won't have any updates until I get back. That said, I'm meeting with the publisher directly and will get an answer on what's going to happen with the fix.
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With respect to Mangagamer and loli content, it's mostly a matter of degree. Games like Imouto Paradise and Koihime Musou have loli characters, but there's also multiple other characters that don't raise issues. The lolis can sort of get lost in the crowd. Games like Sweet Sweat feature lolis, but the character designs are such that at least you can claim they're on the right side of puberty (if barely). The problem with Monobeno and similar lolige is that the lolis are the main focus, and some of them are unquestionably on the wrong side of puberty. I think it's just a bridge too far, even for Mangagamer. What's weird is Sekai Project licensing Maitetsu in the first place, since even the all-ages version could raise eyebrows.
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I think the majority of people realize that Uncensored means that the story is the uncut 18+ story and has H-Scenes. That aside how do i go about asking for a refund? Do I just send in an email?
(edit: Do I just send in an email after AX?)
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Tirigon Loli aficionado
dominicholan wrote...
Lose would probably be more than happy to localize Monobeno if the opportunity arose though. They really pushed for the Maitetsu uncut release even though SP initially wanted to only do all ages. All that's needed is a localizer willing to do it. Unless Lose decides to do it themselves and use Fakku as the platform.


I never understood why those studios don't just make English and Japanese versions together and sell it internationally. I mean, I know that English is a lot less common in Japan than any other developed country, but still... it's English. You'll find good translators if you want to.


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As for the Manga Gamer topic, which more-or-less loli focused games do they have? I would like to check them out.


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Jacob wrote...
I'll be at Anime Expo through Sunday so I probably won't have any updates until I get back. That said, I'm meeting with the publisher directly and will get an answer on what's going to happen with the fix.


That is a bit sad, but thanks for being open at least so we know.

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sanahtlig wrote...
MangaGamer staff have said previously that Lose games like Monobeno were a non-starter. Other publishers have echoed this sentiment to me. I think we're quite fortunate that FAKKU agreed to distribute this title. If not for them taking a more-or-less ideological stand, I don't think an official adult release in English would've been possible.


It's honestly disgusting that censorship is less of a publicity problem than loli content nowadays.
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Tirigon wrote...
I never understood why those studios don't just make English and Japanese versions together and sell it internationally. I mean, I know that English is a lot less common in Japan than any other developed country, but still... it's English. You'll find good translators if you want to.

It's not that simple. If it were, you wouldn't see so many botched attempts. Licensing issues, the language barrier, and cultural differences are significant obstacles, especially without an established support network. I've been helping Ninetail work through such issues, and it's like pulling teeth at times. In most cases, partnering with an established English publisher is likely the easiest and safest route.
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Tirigon Loli aficionado
sanahtlig wrote...

Licensing issues, the language barrier, and cultural differences are significant obstacles,


They don't have to be.

Licensing: It's your own game. You get to choose what happens. Hell you don't even need to license it at all, just hire a translator to make an English version of your own store and allow international shipping.

Language barrier: As I said, we are talking about English. Even in Japan that is common enough that it shouldn't be a huge issue (also non-porn games often do it - hell the Dark Souls franchise for example is English by default even if it is from a Japanese developer...)

Cultural differences: These should not be addressed or changed at all. After all, the westerners wanting to buy games like this do so BECAUSE it gives us something we don't get in our own country. The cultural differences aren't an obstacle - they are the appeal.
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I am not gonna lie. Until I read all these comments about censorship, I assumed Maitetsu was gonna be equal to If My Heart Had Wings but instead of the group restoring a glider, they restore a train. Didn't realize it had a motif. I guess just going off of the Steam page screen shots doesn't put things into perspective that well, but after examining the screenshots here more closely, I believe I've figured things out.....

In any case, I'm glad Jacob will talk directly with the Publisher during this AX thing, thanks for being diligent.
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Tirigon wrote...


As for the Manga Gamer topic, which more-or-less loli focused games do they have? I would like to check them out.



A few I played in the past and a bit remember:

1. Zettai Saikyou ☆ Oppai Sensou!! ~Kyonyuu Oukoku vs Hinnyuu Oukoku~ (4 loli-like characters) pretty adorable and has many animated scenes
2. Imouto Paradise! ~Onii-chan to Go nin no Imouto no Ecchi Shimakuri na Mainichi~ (2 loli-like characters) Chiharu ILY! Didn’t play 2 part, on screenshots Chiharu has made breast surgery, that made me sad :(
3. Eroge! ~H mo Game mo Kaihatsu Zanmai~ (1 loli-like character)
4. Natsuiro Mikan ~Ecchi na Shoujo to Shitataru Nioi~ (1 loli-pettanko like character)
5. Tsumairo Shoujo ~Fuufu Seikatsu, Hajimemasu~ (1 loli-pettanko like character)
6. Euphoria (1 loli-pettanko like character) didn’t play much, very dark setting, made me feel sad
7. Princess Evangile (1 pettanko) + Princess Evangile W Happiness (1 loli like and 1 pettanko) + Dal Segno (1 pettanko)

Evenicle has at least 1 core loli-pettanko waifu (still in third chapter don’t know how many there will be in total)
Preodered Hapymaher and waiting to meet Maia-chan :)
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Tirigon wrote...
They don't have to be.

Licensing: It's your own game. You get to choose what happens. Hell you don't even need to license it at all, just hire a translator to make an English version of your own store and allow international shipping.

Language barrier: As I said, we are talking about English. Even in Japan that is common enough that it shouldn't be a huge issue (also non-porn games often do it - hell the Dark Souls franchise for example is English by default even if it is from a Japanese developer...)

Cultural differences: These should not be addressed or changed at all. After all, the westerners wanting to buy games like this do so BECAUSE it gives us something we don't get in our own country. The cultural differences aren't an obstacle - they are the appeal.


Licensing: Isn't as simple as it being "your" own game. No way to know for sure how difficult it is without being involved, but voice actors, musicians, artists (music and otherwise), may own a piece of the pie and need to have their contracts renegotiated (although I guess that's much easier doing it yourself than bringing in a third-party). This isn't even including middleware solutions such as the game engine, or other software libraries that may need to be re-licensed. As it stands, Maitetsu uses the E-Mote system, and that doesn't look cheap. I'm guessing that's the largest reason why none of the usual English eroge companies have been able to get the Bishoujo Mangekyou series or Rondo Duo (at least I hope they've been looking at those games... save us Jacob).

No idea about the work needed to make the international store work, but I imagine you need to find a payment processor willing to handle those types of purchases (r18 with controversial content and international purchases), expect a large enough return on your investment on another language, and build your game with the expectation of supporting other languages.

Language barrier: I'd say Dark Souls is the exception, not the rule to follow considering how the souls series didn't even get a Japanese dub until Bloodborne. Obviously devs still need to collaborate with translators as English fluency in Japan is a big problem. I don't think we want CGrascal translations to become the norm (<3). I think Key's been trying that out, self-publishing their games on steam now that they know there's enough interest and have connections built up with translators.

Cultural barriers: I actually agree with you here. Unfortunately though, cultural barriers doesn't just refer to language, see RapeLay and Battle Raper. Negative international attention was one of the reasons Illusion (thank god Fakku fixed that bridge) and other eroge companies decided to block off non-Japanese IP addresses because of the problems it caused domestically. As it stands, Sekai Project and Fakku took a huge risk bringing Maitetsu over, and Sekai Project's the one with the established relationship with Steam to lose.
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Tirigon Loli aficionado
friedchickensimulator wrote...


Cultural barriers: I actually agree with you here. Unfortunately though, cultural barriers doesn't just refer to language, see RapeLay and Battle Raper. Negative international attention was one of the reasons Illusion (thank god Fakku fixed that bridge) and other eroge companies decided to block off non-Japanese IP addresses because of the problems it caused domestically. As it stands, Sekai Project and Fakku took a huge risk bringing Maitetsu over, and Sekai Project's the one with the established relationship with Steam to lose.


These critics need to be ignored, that simple. Controversy is free publicity.

There will always be idiots who can't tell fiction from reality, but those can't be taken into account.