Being in love with 2D characters. Right or Wrong?
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To answer the title topic question, NO. It is neither right or wrong to be in love with 2D characters.
It isn't hurting anyone so just let them be.
There was also another point that the man wouldn't let a man like that around his daughter because he likes 2D. I don't necessarily agree with that because he likes drawings as opposed to real. Lolicon doesn't equal pedophile. Also pedophile doesn't always mean child molester because I remember a statistic saying that only 1 out of 10 pedos actually qualify as a child molester. Most pedophiles have enough sense not to go and do that.
I remember there was a Genshiken moment where Madarame explains that people who denounce 2D lovers are just trying to act cool. Maybe if those people stepped in our shoes for while...
Besides "don't knock it till you try it." I bet that if you gave these people some hentai, they'd be masturbating to it eventually.
It isn't hurting anyone so just let them be.
There was also another point that the man wouldn't let a man like that around his daughter because he likes 2D. I don't necessarily agree with that because he likes drawings as opposed to real. Lolicon doesn't equal pedophile. Also pedophile doesn't always mean child molester because I remember a statistic saying that only 1 out of 10 pedos actually qualify as a child molester. Most pedophiles have enough sense not to go and do that.
I remember there was a Genshiken moment where Madarame explains that people who denounce 2D lovers are just trying to act cool. Maybe if those people stepped in our shoes for while...
Besides "don't knock it till you try it." I bet that if you gave these people some hentai, they'd be masturbating to it eventually.
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ShaggyJebus wrote...
That's not to say that it is necessarily wrong to prefer 2D women over 3D women. We've all had our hearts broken, and it's impossible for an image to tell us that she just wants to be friends. But if a person completely abandons all possible real life relationships, then that's crossing the line.
I definitely agree with you there. I definitely think that their is something psychologically wrong with giving up on all real life relationships.
I believe that some people, (not ALL), may have something known as Avoidance attachment style, (it's a social psychology term, and I'm currently going for my bachelor's so...). Basically, from my understanding of the term, it's when a person has trust issues with people from the past, and because of that, avoids relationships and other forms of intimacy. Because of this, I could easily see people diagnosed with this to go to 2d characters who are safer and with whom they technically have no strings attached, so they can invest as much time into them as they please without repercussions.
No, I'm not a professional psychologist...yet, so don't take my word for it. Just a theory I have.
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Its okay. Whats wrong with it? People have fallen in love with a lot of different things. Whats wrong to fall in love with art?
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illumi wrote...
Its okay. Whats wrong with it? People have fallen in love with a lot of different things. Whats wrong to fall in love with art?I dun herd dat animez ain't art.
But, now that I've gotten a bit of sleep and am more or less sober, I'd like to follow up on my comment from before.
Falling in love with anime, or any other bit of human-like art, is fine, but it cannot be taken too far.
I never got over my childhood crush on Arcuied. I still fanlove/rage over Rin Tohsaka. Nemu still has a warm spot in my heart. Saki (Snow Sakura) is in there, somewhere.
I think I had a few more at some point, but that isn't important.
Anyway, what I meant to say before I meandered off was that, while I still love these personas dearly, and would totally make a carbon copy of them uf technology allowed me to, I can accept that (for now) they aren't real in the sense that I could touch or speak to them, and that I should leave off.
If anything, I could simply use the persona that I fell in love with as a reference point for what kind of girl is my type.
So, while I support having waifus, I do not support carrying a body pillow around, or holding a shrine to your waifu, or any other such grandoise and ultimately futile gesture.
On the other hand, if we could create carbon copies, I can't help but shudder at the legions of fans who will try to buy Rin/Saber/Sakura/Whoever bots/clones...
Shit, that's actually a fucking scary image. I would rage so hard if I saw some pasty-faced kid lugging around a Rin-bot...
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In my honest opinon, I believe that part of the issue stems from the subjective nature of the word love. How many times do we say, pretty much everyday that we 'love' something. From a particularly tasty meal, a cute animal or perhaps a certain song playing on the radio. So firstly I believe that in some cases there are individuals who are overreacting to a word that in modern society is becoming a stronger version of like, rather then an emotion with stronger connatations that indicate lifelong commitment.
Secondly, the presenters of this show are from, in all likelihood a strongly religous background. (I am making an assumption based on what I believe Turkish people to be like, if this is incorrect I apologise) As such their morality is based on their faith, which is primarily sourced from historical manuscripts, thus debateably suited to justifying far different issues to those the presenters are discussing in this particular presentation. (Their are other sides to my arguments, yet what I say is simply my viewpoint)
Thirdly, I believe that TRUE love is only attainable between two hetrosexual individuals who are of the opposite sex to each other
Therefore, while I believe loving a 2D character is not wrong, saying that you truely love a 2D character means that your understanding of the concept of true love is different to mine (but still not 'wrong')
When a 2D character has an appearance (and personality) that we find attractive we can say that we love them but it is important I think to reinforce in people that 'love' is possibly an instinctive reflex that allows us to find a mate, so that we may produce offspring and keep our race alive. Yet having perhaps left large parts of our instincts behind is that truely what love is nowadays or is it now something far too complex to make assumptions about.
Secondly, the presenters of this show are from, in all likelihood a strongly religous background. (I am making an assumption based on what I believe Turkish people to be like, if this is incorrect I apologise) As such their morality is based on their faith, which is primarily sourced from historical manuscripts, thus debateably suited to justifying far different issues to those the presenters are discussing in this particular presentation. (Their are other sides to my arguments, yet what I say is simply my viewpoint)
Thirdly, I believe that TRUE love is only attainable between two hetrosexual individuals who are of the opposite sex to each other
Therefore, while I believe loving a 2D character is not wrong, saying that you truely love a 2D character means that your understanding of the concept of true love is different to mine (but still not 'wrong')
When a 2D character has an appearance (and personality) that we find attractive we can say that we love them but it is important I think to reinforce in people that 'love' is possibly an instinctive reflex that allows us to find a mate, so that we may produce offspring and keep our race alive. Yet having perhaps left large parts of our instincts behind is that truely what love is nowadays or is it now something far too complex to make assumptions about.
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I'm of the opinion that they're basically just falling for the actress behind the character. They just don't realize it
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Koyori wrote...
I'm of the opinion that they're basically just falling for the actress behind the character. They just don't realize itUmm...I'm pretty sure I'm not in love with Yuko Miyamura or Tiffany Grant. Uhgh...Tiffany Grant...[shudders]
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Oh god. I'd buy a Rin Tohsaka Bot in a heartbeat. And an Asakura Ryoko bot.
Man, I look foward to that kind of future.
No need for women!
Man, I look foward to that kind of future.
No need for women!
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I think that guy is an ass, and the chick is a dike. Even tho I'd hit it.
Now on topic. I don't mind the people who get those body pillows or even the sex dolls, but really taking them out!? That reminded of a video I saw on YouTube a while back, it was along the same lines but the guys were in love with those realistic sex dolls that cost like 3 grand. It was interesting really. One guy was lonley because he always lived with his mom, except when he joined the army, and his mom died. He didn't have much luck with the ladies. This other guy lived in Virginia and was ALWAYS rejected by women we grown close too and got one. I don't think it's a life style to do this with 2-d or 3-d sex dolls. I think it's a physilogical problem, and it is a cure. Me personaly am alone, I usually drink my lonleyness away. But I don't think I'd go that far. But who knows.
And another note I love me some lolicon, hentai, and regular porn. It all good. Also fuck the guys who think if you like some lolicon your a pedofile.
Now on topic. I don't mind the people who get those body pillows or even the sex dolls, but really taking them out!? That reminded of a video I saw on YouTube a while back, it was along the same lines but the guys were in love with those realistic sex dolls that cost like 3 grand. It was interesting really. One guy was lonley because he always lived with his mom, except when he joined the army, and his mom died. He didn't have much luck with the ladies. This other guy lived in Virginia and was ALWAYS rejected by women we grown close too and got one. I don't think it's a life style to do this with 2-d or 3-d sex dolls. I think it's a physilogical problem, and it is a cure. Me personaly am alone, I usually drink my lonleyness away. But I don't think I'd go that far. But who knows.
And another note I love me some lolicon, hentai, and regular porn. It all good. Also fuck the guys who think if you like some lolicon your a pedofile.
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Firstly how are these pillows any different than blow-up dolls.
I like real girls but the problem is their characters. In anime girls are for the most part act more pure and have idealistic dreams. They say things like "we got to save the world," or unrealistic goals like that. I do Judo and all the people I do Judo with set impossible, unrealistic goals like win the olympics. I also have this goal. That chances of it happening are pretty low but I still believe in my heart that I can accomplish that. Anyways most girls I have met in college (not all of them are like this), all they want is some degree so they can get some decent job and live nicely, but in the mean time they just want to party and sleep with guys. To me that is pretty anti-climatic. At least have like a goal to be the best at what you do or something like that.
I did once ask a girl out and she said yes amazingly. we had a great time, we went back to my house and it was getting late. She then said to me, " I would so go out with you if I wasn't secretly going out with my old boyfriend."
Fucking bitch, I bought you a crepe!
Anyways I love real girls but I don't think are loving me at all. At least with 2d most of it is imaginative. But to me it's really know different then falling in love with a character in a movie or book.
Also why are dudes that sleep with many girls called "players" and girls that sleep with a lot of guys called "sluts?" that's fucked up. Everything sucks.
I better stop ranting now. sorry.
I like real girls but the problem is their characters. In anime girls are for the most part act more pure and have idealistic dreams. They say things like "we got to save the world," or unrealistic goals like that. I do Judo and all the people I do Judo with set impossible, unrealistic goals like win the olympics. I also have this goal. That chances of it happening are pretty low but I still believe in my heart that I can accomplish that. Anyways most girls I have met in college (not all of them are like this), all they want is some degree so they can get some decent job and live nicely, but in the mean time they just want to party and sleep with guys. To me that is pretty anti-climatic. At least have like a goal to be the best at what you do or something like that.
I did once ask a girl out and she said yes amazingly. we had a great time, we went back to my house and it was getting late. She then said to me, " I would so go out with you if I wasn't secretly going out with my old boyfriend."
Fucking bitch, I bought you a crepe!
Anyways I love real girls but I don't think are loving me at all. At least with 2d most of it is imaginative. But to me it's really know different then falling in love with a character in a movie or book.
Also why are dudes that sleep with many girls called "players" and girls that sleep with a lot of guys called "sluts?" that's fucked up. Everything sucks.
I better stop ranting now. sorry.
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I hate how they treated this video as if to down the guy. I mean it was originally about the guy who lives with his pillow but then they go to other unrelated topics ,and pins it on this guy, or more frankyly these type of guys. Like rape or loli, cmon everyone knows nemu is older than that 10-12 my ass. Don't stray off topic and still point the blame on the guy, yes he is guilty of loving his pillow a lot(if that's a crime). But not the raping young girl, they were so quick to judge on what he will do if he was left alone with a young girl. Sheesh* they don't even know the guy.
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super scrub wrote...
I did once ask a girl out and she said yes amazingly. we had a great time, we went back to my house and it was getting late. She then said to me, " I would so go out with you if I wasn't secretly going out with my old boyfriend."
Fucking bitch, I bought you a crepe!
That's really horrible. I don't understand why my fellow females do things like that. And for a crepe, too. Damn.
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It's harmless, but just don't forget to get real girl even if it's ugly what's suited for you... I think it's right for most people. People are going to use the right and wrong so it's alright that we invent it.
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If your talking about a 2-d complex then it's perfectly fine with me. Everyone is entitled to their own beliefs/opinions.
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2D love is ok to an extent, i know how it feels to love a character and how much i wished she was real but that's it she's not. Anime characters have so much more to offer to people, character wise or even their physical appearance. Most of these things can't be seen in women or not in women they can grasp and that makes 2D more appealing. So overall don't forget about real girls, true they can be bitches but she's real.
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2D-G : Less defined and more creative in my eyes. Yet back in the real 2D days, people couldn't grasp sexual appeal from a character made in 2D unless pictures drawn showed what the truly looked like. I see how some people still buy 2D games for 3D-G systems and mainly do so for the box art (Arcane hearts anyone?)
3D-G : There really isn't a down side to this just because 3D graphics are better than 2D. Most character loving is in the majority of RPGs such as Star ocean 4 or Final fantasy. Most follow the crowd and start to develop a liking to a character that people talk about the most.
Its not exactly right to love a character but not wrong either since your not the only one doing it. Sure people look down on you but at least you decided to escape the "Normal box" (Normal ISN'T overrated just over-understood) and look for something new.
3D-G : There really isn't a down side to this just because 3D graphics are better than 2D. Most character loving is in the majority of RPGs such as Star ocean 4 or Final fantasy. Most follow the crowd and start to develop a liking to a character that people talk about the most.
Its not exactly right to love a character but not wrong either since your not the only one doing it. Sure people look down on you but at least you decided to escape the "Normal box" (Normal ISN'T overrated just over-understood) and look for something new.
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Guys, guys... the man in the video needs help. He NEEDS help. Resorting to inanimate objects for "affection" is an escape from reality. Whatever the guy says or claims, deep down inside he is NOT a happy and fulfilled man. How can some of you not see this? To those of you who claim that "real women are bitches/money-grubbers I prefer 2D girls you don't get this problem with them", I have this to say to you: get outside. Now. You need a real relationship that will root you in reality. Some of you are even acknowledging what I'm saying by stating "I have low self-esteem", "I'll never get a girlfriend". Christ. If I was your real-life friend, I would be deeply concerned.
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OmegaSin wrote...
Guys, guys... the man in the video needs help. He NEEDS help. Resorting to inanimate objects for "affection" is an escape from reality. Whatever the guy says or claims, deep down inside he is NOT a happy and fulfilled man. How can some of you not see this? To those of you who claim that "real women are bitches/money-grubbers I prefer 2D girls you don't get this problem with them", I have this to say to you: get outside. Now. You need a real relationship that will root you in reality. Some of you are even acknowledging what I'm saying by stating "I have low self-esteem", "I'll never get a girlfriend". Christ. If I was your real-life friend, I would be deeply concerned.Note this and know how many people like 2D girls.
https://www.fakku.net/viewtopic.php?t=19472
You cant say that as truth, its more of an opinion. Some people actually think that and they CAN get real girls but they dont want to or that they dont care. They just prefer 2D. Its your opinion, but dont try to make it sound like its something that everyone should follow.
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Kaien wrote...
2D love is ok to an extent, i know how it feels to love a character and how much i wished she was real but that's it she's not. Anime characters have so much more to offer to people, character wise or even their physical appearance. Most of these things can't be seen in women or not in women they can grasp and that makes 2D more appealing. So overall don't forget about real girls, true they can be bitches but she's real.yup, same here. you can like an anime guy or girl but don't go off the meter and break the machine. you can waste your time wishing but it most likely won't get you anywhere. real guys and girls may have lots of faults, but at least if you hug them, they hug you back... same thing goes with talking to them. i mean, i like my anime bishounen and all but i don't love them enough to forget about real, live guys.