gay marriage

i know of religion of what it pertains to... im not very educated on the subject however. i guess thats why i can easily say yes, societal norms arent what they used to be and i couldnt be happier that we're slowly but surely gaining an educated acceptance to diversity for more then just sexuality. as usual, fiery penguin of doom said it best... damn your educated, those are some bonified pxgt'in words.

ive already state my opinion, but thus a question arises: isnt marriage a holy sacrament of man and woman? i can understand why two men or woman want to be happily wed or bound together by relgion and tradition and all that... but if they are in fact religious wouldn't it be against their own belief to get married? i understand equality and that homosexuals want to be treated like their hetero counterparts, thus they fought for their marital rights. but if not for religion or tradition, whats a piece of paper to say theyre a couple? ive never really been in love, but being atheist i have yet to see the reason why i want or need to get married if i love someone, man or woman.

if anyone could answer my questions thatd be just great. is anyone in our fakku community gay or bisexual? are you open about your preference in reality or are you yet to come out of the closet and why?

It's what I do, it's my thing.



Personally, marriage is a religious concept. Every mainstream religion from Christianity to Bahá'í practices this. While a government official can perform the ceremony the base concept is still religious. I think a core issue of the entire debate is "Why do gays want to get married?" You don't need a ceremony to prove that you love somebody. I was a sophomore in high school before my parents got married. I think the real issue is that married couples get discounts on services such as taxes, health insurance, among a few other things. This gives an advantage to married people rather than two single people.

Kirby and I are both Atheists so we have the same outlook. I mean seriously, you need a piece of paper to say you love somebody?

I've also had that question in my mind for some time. For a minority who has been surpressed by christianity for at least 2000 years, why would they actually wnat to marry in church? Anyway, my statement stands: it should be legaly allowed.

Then again, you can also think that, since we now have different religions with different ruels, signs etc, maybe christianity should be allowed to have their rules not to marry gays. If a gay couple really must have a church, why don't they just make their own religion where it's allowed? There already exist a lot off minority religion offspring churches (don't know how I say it otherwise -_-) who has basiclly the same religion as a large one (ex. christianity) but have changed a few rules to suite their purpose.

Most People Think That Gay Marriage is fine and I think so too..

Gay marriage is fine.

I think it's two things. One, the discounts you get by being married (which can be very beneficial). Two, the respect that you get from being able to get married. Straight people take it for granted, but gay people have to live knowing that they cannot get married. It's like in the bad old days, when blacks had to use a different water fountain than whites. Even if the two fountains were exactly the same, it was the point, that the blacks were being forced to drink from a different fountain.

By forbidding homosexuals to get married, the government is stating that homosexuals are different and should be treated differently.

I doubt I'll ever visit a foreign country, but I'd be pissed if the government suddenly told me that it was illegal for me to go to another country.

Yes... Cause money talks and bullshit walks!

Gay marriage = A nice little earner $$$

I don't think it's ok to allow gay marriage, because, ignoring the social and moral reasons, you are giving them rights that are normally given to heterosexual couples, like the right to adopt a child. I don't want to think of a child living in a pretty unforgiving world. Imagine the world of suffering he will go through on all his school-life. Imagine his perception of sexuality and love. Also, an study showed that people with homosexual or bisexual preferences have a more than average uncontrolled and unsatiable sexual desire, so you know what that translates to the child.

All I worry is about the child that could be adopted by the gay couple. I don't have any problem with two men loving each other. Remember, all problems are multi-faced, not everything has a simple solution and the best solution isn't always the one that benefits you.

What the hell is wrong with gay marriage? If two people love each other than they have every right to be together and be joined in a marriage ceremony.

Marriage has never been about the ceremony. Marriage is about the journey of two committed people. People in marriage mature, they learn to become selfless and care about the welfare of the other person as much as themselves. As long as the couple becomes better people in the process, then they are fulfilling the real purpose of marriage.

You should watch your words. You may not be catholic but you should at least respect another person's religion.

That may sound nice and all (kind of), but if we're going to keep gay couples from having children because it might cause problems for the child, then we have to keep a whole lot of other people from having children, too. Like people with disabilities, mental or physical. I mean, having a bipolar dad wouldn't be fun for the kid, right? And seeing mommy in a wheelchair would fuck up the child, no? And god, no poor people should have kids, because the kid might go a little hungry or at least see his parents go hungry while he eats. That'd really fuck the kid up. He wouldn't be fit for society, would he?

Alright, that's a bit harsh, but my point stands - kids are going to have problems. People aren't perfect. And I'd rather see a child go to a loving gay couple than an unloving heterosexual couple.

But if that gay is a christian.... than isn`t he himself that is at fault.... he believes in that teaching but wanted to defy it.... Isn`t that the same as contradicting u`r own belief.... Suggestion be atheist or go to other religion.... It is the only choice...

Gay marriage is fine. I want it to be legalized as soon as possible.

American = freedom. Preventing someone from being able to marry the person they love is taking that freedom away.

Oops, sorry about that. I was referring to the Old Testament and how that shouldn't be taken seriously

To add onto this, don't forget about single parents Shaggy. The loss of a second income, lack of one on one time between parent and child among other reasons. If a couple gets a divorce then they should lose their children because of the negative effects on the children. /sarcasm

Link to article here.

While you (Raw) may have a foundation to believe that the child may be adversely effected by having two homosexual parents, there is no "right" to adopt a child but, this doesn't matter as gays can already adopt children with Florida and Utah being the only two states that prohibit the practice. As I noted earlier in the thread a homosexual man is 16 times more likely to have a P.H.D. as a heterosexual male (check page 4 second post down). This would mean that the child would have more advantages in life than other children whose families won't have the fiscal resources.

On the study you mentioned, it's common courtesy in the S.D. to present evidence on any study you mention(a news article is sufficient). Plus, I'm interested in reading the study myself.

wth are you saying? "Giving them rights that are normally given to hetrosexual couples", dude, thats kind of the whole point of this, to give gay people the same rights as everybody else. And that "the child will live in a pretty unforgiving world", that would then be the hetrosexual parents who teaches their childs that "gays go to hell" fault.
But ok, true, they might be picked on in school for having gay parents etc. BUT then again, alot of hetrosexual couples childrens are also picked on, with no absolute reason, so I thin that reasoning sucks.
Oh, and I hope you didn't mean it like this, but if you say that Gays would not make good parents and that is the reason for the "unforgiving world" and the "world of suffering", I would ask you for how you reasoned to get to this conclusion.

There are a LOT more hetrosexual parents who are not fit for having a child than there porb ever be gays in the entire world.

WTF!. . .

R yah a gay~?

This topic requires less int.


Nuff said~