Israeli/Palestinian conflict

Every now and then you hear a news story about Israel. Either a suicide bombing or a rocket attack sent from the Gaza strip. Earlier today the Ambassador from Israel claimed that since 2001 there have been over 4,000 individual rocket attacks on Israel.

Since the founding in May 14, 1948 Arab countries have called for the destruction of the country. 1967, Egypt, Syria, and Jordan gathered troops close to Israeli borders, blocked access to the red sea. Causing Israel to start the six day war. Israel's success is repelling the eminent invasion cause groups like the PLO (Palestinian Liberation Organization) to start fighting Israel

On October 6, 1973, Egyptian and Syrian armies launched a surprise attack against Israel. The war ended on October 26, 1973.

The rest everybody basically get the idea. Suicide attacks, bombings, Missile and mortar attacks.

My questions are: Who do you side with in the Palestinian/Israeli conflicts? Is Israel in the right to launch an attack into Palestinian territory for the repeated attacks on civilians? Are the Palestinian people in the right for trying to expel the Israeli people from what they see as a state created within their territory by force? Why do you side with them?

Edit: what are the ways the conflict could be ended?

It's a messy situation and neither side has a clear moral advantage I can see. Palestinians are doing their terrorism thing, and it sounds like Israel's killing some noncombatants (although, with unconventional warfare being used, it's hard to blame them too much).

Until one side does something horrendous or incredibly unpopular with both sides this is going to continue, IMO.



Could ways the conflict be ended be added to the discussion? I'm pessimistic about the whole situation, but would be interested in how others would solve the problem if they were on one side or another.

I root for the Israeli's, they're a tough, scrappy bunch. I'm not exactly sure what the root causes for the conflict are, is it just a case of they both want the land and both have a legitimate claim to it?

Whatever the case, Israel seems to have their shit together. They are doing well in spite of all the aggression arrayed against them.

Done.



"After World War I, the League of Nations approved the British Mandate of Palestine. Which divided up the Ottoman empire. In 1947, the United Nations approved the partition of Palestine into two states, one Jewish and one Arab. On May 14, 1948 the state of Israel declared independence and this was followed by a war with the surrounding Arab states, which refused to accept the plan."

In short. The Palestinians see Israel as invaders while the Israeli see themselves as trying to live in peace in the territory of their people according the bible (if I remember correctly). The extremist Muslim groups want to total destruction of Israel and don't even acknowledge the countries sovereign rights or it's existence.

I don't side with any of them. -_-
As long as I don't see nukes flying, I'm ok.

same.

Slight problem. Hamas is backed both, financially, militarily (weapons, ammo) by Iran and it's even rumored to send officers to train their militias. Iran is allegedly seeking to create a nuke if it doesn't already have one.

Scenario

Conflict escalates

Iran steps in to fight Israel

Allies of Israel have to step in to support Israel against Iran.

We have two nuclear armed countries in a war (one alleged to be nuclear) . One will use it as a absolute last resort. Another will throw theirs as readily as a smokers throws away their cigarette butt.

Well then I hope it doesn't come to nukes, then I'll be ok.
I don't want no fukken radiation shit floating around mutating everything it touches. :?

The problem will continue to happen until a solution is found somehow even when it might be unpleasant one.

My view is that israels wanted their home country back after being kicked out numberous times or occupied. Props to them for choosing this particular time period to get back in again and other props for keeping their military in somewhat good shape.

I dun like the middle eastern attacks on israel due to their terrorist attacks. If you wanna fight at least send soldiers to do actual fighting so I'd have something interesting to read than some lameass whiner blowing up and taking civilians with it.

Cons at middle east's military, they're outdated crap. Thats from what I last read i believe. Too bad real life isn't like civilization series, an rebellious city can be just razed and be done with it <_<


Could one say that the terrorist bombers is basically goth kids gone wild? XD Just trying to find some kind of humor in it.

I want to criticize about a few things.


Did the land that was called Israel was really owned by them?


What did you expect from a country that doesn't have weaponry support from the U.S.


The fact is Israel is now much more of a killer than Palestine, their air strike randomly attacked "assumed" base of the militants, killing more innocent bystanders.

And what, Israel allowed people to help the injured while they keep attacking, isn't that a waste in resource and supplies.

I don't really support both of them, because I hate "real" wars.

Just one question about a fact that I forgot, "Who shot the first gun?"

I don't believe there is a long term solution that would stop both sides from fighting there may be at times but i thought it would last long unless Israel surrounding neighbors step up and start talking about peace and accepting Israel right to be state but even if they where able to do that they still would have to convince there people which would be hard.

seconded and supported.

The conflict between Israel and Palestine has been going on for a long time, perhaps even before modern times.

I was just discussing the recent spate of attacks between both nations with my colleagues a couple of days back. We agreed that many innocent lives were lost, especially the children, elderly and those who simply hope for a peaceful life. I cannot see the conflict ending any time soon unless the gods of both parties appear before their people, telling them to stop the bloodshed. Even then, there will be some who fan the flames of war for their own benefit.

So it's fine for suicide bombings involving buses and market places?



You do realize a tactics of the PLO, Hamas and other similar organizations it to use civilian places such as hospitals, schools even religious buildings to store ammunition, weapons. We saw the same tactics in Afghanistan and Iraq.

So what are the Israeli supposed to do? Just take the repeated rocket attacks and suicide bombings while smiling as civilians are killed by truckloads on their buses and in their markets?

As Barack Obama said "If people were launching rockets into my house while my two little girls sleep at night. I will do everything in my power to stop it."

The first noted attack was the PLO assassinating the Israeli Olympic team. Which causes Israel to counter with Operation "Wrath of God". That operation was to track down the murderers and assassinate them. If you really want to get technical it was Israel attacking after Egypt, Syria, and Jordan gathered troops close to Israeli borders, and blocking access to the red sea in 1967. So Israel shot first by attacking to repel armies gathered at their boarders.

Waste of lives.

By israelis i mean the jewish people who have lived on the land for quite a long time now, hundreds of years, read up on them, they've been invaded repeatedly and kicked out and came back in or simply capitulated just to be allowed to live in their homes. That ethnicity group, I cannot remeber the proper term for it. Errr, its the guys who founded carthage. At that time, arabs simply stayed in their arabian penisula.

And i believe, today's palestinians was mostly of the people who came in during saladin's time and before the crusades happened.

And well what did you except from an country who doesnt have weaponry support because of their actions? I believe the conditions to get weapon support is to accept democracy and cease terrorists attacks and such.

I won't want to befriend the way the iran is now. It's like trying to shake hands with live fire.

Blargh i need to review the history books again, because that's all i can remeber right now.

I'd say that Israel should be given the territories they want so bad. Just split the Palestine territories mandated by the English based on the percentages of Jews and Muslims, but get the hell out of Jerusalem. Israelis might consider it a holy place, but so does Palestinians, and the rest of Arab world.

Jerusalem should be a neutral zone, under jurisdiction of some kind of a joint committee, with both countries operating the committee. And just hope that the committee is competent enough to repel any greedy extremist idiots that wants Jerusalem for themselves.

And so does any other holy places for both opposing countries.

There's hardly ever a completely right and wrong side in a war.
While I'm light years away from complementing the Palestinian people for the way they do things, they are basically driven into a corner by a superior military force with serious backing all around the world.

The curse about all this is the region this is all taking place. Since it's like a huge crossing for some of the most influential religions in the world there was always fighting there and it ain't bound to end anytime soon. It's kinda funny (in a morbid kind of way), since the basis for all our cultures and religions is usually peace and compassion. This just got hugely misinterpreted somewhere along the way....

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