Obama Vs. Mccain

Socialism by itself may not work, but incorporating Socialism into Capitalism seems to do very well. There are already a lot of Socialistic systems in our society.

It's official, Obama wins.


President Obama. That has a nice ring to it.

It sure does. :)

w00t!!! Alright if there's a black president when I'm 21 then there's going be Hispanic one before I die! :D

@asgiov: Downsizing the military even more is just asking other countries to walk all over us, aka the destruction of the US.

I Predict that the a little Saying here in this State of Arizona Would Stand....


We never tell are kid they can be President because no one from this state has not won an presidential election. Berry Goldwater did not win and now Mccain will not either done it again.

And a gay one maybe.

Maybe a women.


Or the moment, when such things become trivial. We are almost there.

OBAMA!!!

Two different systems that work on very different principals.

Socialism- As Karl Marx puts it "Is the transitional stage between Capitalism and Communism".

On top of that you have Social interventionism, Nationalizing all forms on production. I could go one for ages but, I'll try to shorten my thoughts.

Socialism isn't the cure for the ills of Capitalism. You kill capitalism with Socialism.

It's crazy!!!
We have a Black President, anything is possible now... rednecks must be like "it's the end of the world"
lol....

Fiery, have you ever read "The Road to Serfdom" by Friedrich Hayek? I read it once for an econ class. Hayek basically argues that socialistic economic policies necessarily lead to totalitarian government policies. Hayek makes a lot of interesting points, and the book was influential in its time, praised by people such as Keynes and Orwell. You might find it to be an interesting read.

As for Marx, he was visionary and laid out the ideal and system in many ways, but a lot of what he says on a detailed level is pretty wacky.

I'm heading towards a bookstore later. I'll see if they carry it. I'll also assume you meant to say "Socialistic economic policies don't necessarily lead to totalitarian government policies"

While it may not exactly lead to totalitarian policies. Any group in power seeks only to retain it's power. The Senate of Rome was concerned only with maintaining their power that they crippled the empire from within. Our government officials have proven that they seek nothing but, power and control. Everything from Bush's Patriot Act to Bill Clinton's use of the I.R.S. to silence any criticism. Even the attacks on the constitution (Silencing of speech, banning of gun ownership,etc). The government used to be a like a carpenter's hammer. The hammer can do nothing on its own. It takes the carpenter (the people) to use the hammer to accomplish things.

I see the nature of the U.S. Government and it's the proverbial "Give them an inch and they will take a foot". I really don't see how it's fair for the government to use force of arms to "spread the wealth". While we won't be having the army marching down our streets they will have the option of taking your money from you by force.

All socialism in the U.S. means is that taxes will go up from 33c/$1 to a higher rate. How will the poor and middle class who are already struggling be able to deal with increased taxes? You can't soak the rich forever because they will leave or go broke trying to pay the already unfair tax burden that will increase.

I think both suck... I just don't wanna discuss it too lazy. I been up for nearly 26 hours straight lol. I voted for the black man cause I like to go down in style lol.

The rich will go broke? The reason they are taxed more is because they can afford it. A person who has a net worth of over ten million dollars isn't going to go broke from paying taxes.

If you can afford your own island, I think you can stand to pay a little more than someone who will never in their lives be able to earn, cumulatively, a tenth of what you make a year.

I didn't say they will go broke now but, the government wants more spending. That money has to come from somewhere and they won't raise taxes on the middle class because we are the ones they depend on they won't do anything to really piss us off. Politicians will keep taxing the rich to pay for more spending. Who is going to stop them? The rich? The average American idiot thinks the rich aren't paying enough in taxes. Even though the top 15% of income earners pays 90% of the federal budget (trillions of dollars). We bitch about paying 33c/$1 they pay more than that out of every dollar they earn. Tell me how that is fair.

No matter how you look at it or try to spin it. The few are being taxed to support the "needs" of the many. Not only because they can afford the burden but, because they don't have the numbers to make any real dent in the political arena.

Before anyone claims I just support the rich and hate the poor or whatever idiotic idea from that tree of ideas. I support a national sales tax and abolishing of the income tax (look up FairTax).

Yeah, a third out every annual income goes to taxes, then factor in social security, bills, food expenses, insurance, and how much are we left with? Less than half your income. I mean, taxing the rich more and more isn't really going to solve anything, but it's true that taxing the middle class has to stop because the standards of living are getting way too high. And no, the government doesn't want more spending but a lowering of taxes, there you err.

Your joking right? The government wants to lower taxes? Social security is going broke (They won't ditch the program either), Obama wants socialized college (a.k.a "free college"), socialize medicine(a.k.a."Free healthcare"). Where is the money going to come from? The government already wastes so much money on overhead that the equivalent money could feed thousands in starving countries. The U.S. government spends money like a preteen with daddy's no-limit credit card. The sad thing is the average American doesn't even realize how bad they are getting screwed.

P.S. I think we should boot out Obama and elect the politically savvy Fakkuza to run the United States. Hell, Whitelion and myself alone could probably do a better job than the last two presidents at 2/3rds of the cost. As a last thought, Captain Falcon would be the head of the Justice department.

I don't joke, and read the news. The Obama party is seriously going for a tax cut rather than an increase in public speaking. You say Obama wants to do this and this, but you think that's on top of his priority list? Medicare and "free college" are issues that he addresses, I agree, but I won't be surprised if he tackled them years from now while solving the more pressing issues.

You, becoming a better prez than the past presidents? I hope your P.S. was in jest because there's a limit to how arrogant one can be, and you've crossed it.

No, he argues that socialistic policies are "the road to serfdom" and thus lead to totalitarian government. He was writing in response to Britain's increased socialism post-WWII concerning its social policies. I don't think he was entirely right, after all, Sweden hasn't become a totalitarian regime yet, but he makes a lot of interesting points.

Fairness isn't about everyone paying the same amount or the same percentage. Fairness is about people paying what they can. Rich people can stand to give more. Even if they pay 90% of their income, they still have plenty of money. Besides, most of them don't "earn" their money. The idea that a man who sits in an office and makes phone calls for four hours a day makes a million times more than a man who builds hours for ten hours a day and suffers horrible body problems makes me sick, but it's what happens everyday, all over the country.