Who do you want to win the 2012 U.S. Presidential election?
Who do you want to win for 2012?
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animefreak_usa
Child of Samael
Ron Paul is way better and less crazy then his son the doctor who had to create his own association to be credited for.. and im not even stretching the truth on that. Plus shouldn't the conservatives distances themselves from the teabagers and the dizzy since they cost the Republicans a victories in both chambers plus the presidency.. i voted for Mccain in the primaries in 2000.. but tits mcgee fucked that chance up in 2008.
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Ron Paul is against abortion - big deal, it seems like most politicians are, if only because the people that bitch about it being legal are those that bitch the loudest. But now he's saying that he'll cut funding to Planned Parenthood because they do abortions, like so many other crazy politicians. How they somehow neglect the fact, despite being shown time and time again, that Planned Parenthood does more than just give abortions and that cutting its funding severely hurts the women that use it for health care and genuine help, I do not know. It must be pig-headedness.
Also, a lot of people know about Ron Paul, but the majority of his supporters that I've met only like him because he says he's going to legalize weed. That seems like the stupidest reason to back a politician. When there are so many more important things, why worry about something as insignificant as marijuana? Yes, a lot of people are jailed due to weed-related crimes, but the state of the economy matters a hell of a lot more, and legalizing weed isn't going to single-handedly fix it.
Paul aside, I'm hoping Obama wins, if only because he's the only Democrat and most of the Republicans are fucking crazy and would only ruin this country further.
Also, a lot of people know about Ron Paul, but the majority of his supporters that I've met only like him because he says he's going to legalize weed. That seems like the stupidest reason to back a politician. When there are so many more important things, why worry about something as insignificant as marijuana? Yes, a lot of people are jailed due to weed-related crimes, but the state of the economy matters a hell of a lot more, and legalizing weed isn't going to single-handedly fix it.
Paul aside, I'm hoping Obama wins, if only because he's the only Democrat and most of the Republicans are fucking crazy and would only ruin this country further.
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K-1 wrote...
Ron Paul is against abortion - big deal, it seems like most politicians are, if only because the people that bitch about it being legal are those that bitch the loudest. But now he's saying that he'll cut funding to Planned Parenthood because they do abortions, like so many other crazy politicians. How they somehow neglect the fact, despite being shown time and time again, that Planned Parenthood does more than just give abortions and that cutting its funding severely hurts the women that use it for health care and genuine help, I do not know. It must be pig-headedness.Also, a lot of people know about Ron Paul, but the majority of his supporters that I've met only like him because he says he's going to legalize weed. That seems like the stupidest reason to back a politician. When there are so many more important things, why worry about something as insignificant as marijuana? Yes, a lot of people are jailed due to weed-related crimes, but the state of the economy matters a hell of a lot more, and legalizing weed isn't going to single-handedly fix it.
Paul aside, I'm hoping Obama wins, if only because he's the only Democrat and most of the Republicans are fucking crazy and would only ruin this country further.
I don't support him because he is going to legalize marijuana. I do support that position but there is a lot more as to why I support Ron Paul and a big part of it is his justification for legalizing marijuana. He believes in liberty and that if we have our right to choose our religion then we should have a right to choose our own personal habits. If you do not defend liberty across the board then you are not defending liberty at all.
Dr.Paul also realizes that perhaps the biggest way to help our economy is to fix our foreign policy. The wars we are fighting in are pointless wars that are costing trillions. It doesn't help that we have hundreds of bases across the world. If we were to bring our troops home from all the bases we have across the globe and from the middle east we would save money and have more troops to dedicate to defending our borders. What do you know, 3 issues nearly solved simply be bringing our troops home.
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animefreak_usa
Child of Samael
Problem is that Plan parenthood only uses 5% of their budget on abortions.. the other 95 is on sex ed, help, prenatal health, condoms, aids test, the pill, and consulting. Actually if it wasn't for the free shit.. i would have a tons of kids and be on welfare.. it small compared on the price they spend on soda and paying companies to do the stuff the government should handle.
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Fixing the economy is always about decreasing government spending, but how does that actually help my family? Even if the country didn't owe a ton of money, food prices would still be high (because who's going to reduce their prices when they know people are going to dish out the dough?), gas prices would still be high (they don't even bother with reasons anymore, they just raise the price every couple of days), and wages wouldn't increase (because why pay workers more if they don't have to? apparently, $7.50 is perfectly fine since people aren't dying of hunger in the streets). The only thing that would possibly change is that it might be easier to find a job, but how much good would that really do when the price of everything has gone up, while wages have stayed the same? Getting a job would only mean staving off death; it wouldn't give you any freedom or stability.
If we really want to fix the economy, we need to focus on the dealings of companies. We're not going to have any freedom individually if we let the mammoth businesses control what we earn and what we pay, unchecked.
Of course, I don't claim to know a lot about how "the economy" truly works, only that the "trickle-down" idea is a bunch of bull, and the economy isn't helping my family or others like us too much. Even if it has improved over the past year, nothing has changed for us.
If we really want to fix the economy, we need to focus on the dealings of companies. We're not going to have any freedom individually if we let the mammoth businesses control what we earn and what we pay, unchecked.
Of course, I don't claim to know a lot about how "the economy" truly works, only that the "trickle-down" idea is a bunch of bull, and the economy isn't helping my family or others like us too much. Even if it has improved over the past year, nothing has changed for us.
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K-1 wrote...
Fixing the economy is always about decreasing government spending, but how does that actually help my family? Even if the country didn't owe a ton of money, food prices would still be high (because who's going to reduce their prices when they know people are going to dish out the dough?), gas prices would still be high (they don't even bother with reasons anymore, they just raise the price every couple of days), and wages wouldn't increase (because why pay workers more if they don't have to? apparently, $7.50 is perfectly fine since people aren't dying of hunger in the streets). The only thing that would possibly change is that it might be easier to find a job, but how much good would that really do when the price of everything has gone up, while wages have stayed the same? Getting a job would only mean staving off death; it wouldn't give you any freedom or stability.If we really want to fix the economy, we need to focus on the dealings of companies. We're not going to have any freedom individually if we let the mammoth businesses control what we earn and what we pay, unchecked.
Of course, I don't claim to know a lot about how "the economy" truly works, only that the "trickle-down" idea is a bunch of bull, and the economy isn't helping my family or others like us too much. Even if it has improved over the past year, nothing has changed for us.
The value of the dollar has severely diminished over the past few years. Fixing the economy would increase the value of the dollar and most people know this. Corporations are smart enough to know that and to know that the general public knows as well. This is where capitalism, not corporatism, would step in. All it takes is for one company to lower prices in order to gain a larger consumer base. That would start a snowball effect.
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animefreak_usa
Child of Samael
Food prices isn't based on what your willing to pay.. unless you shop at whole foods. The reason food cost more is a multitude of other variables.
A. Most food isn't grown in the states specially out of season.. we import 65% of the fresh fruits, vegs and meat not including wheat.
B. when their a fire, natural disasters or war, the stock in food go's up and if it a import counties then the supply and demand is greater.
C. normal supply and demand issue.
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D. Depends on the product but rarely and low stock causes a pike..
The gas issue is a supply and a tax issue.. when you import stuff they control your balls.
I blame the fact that the us govt pays farmer not to produce to the commercial market and the fact we rather pay more and relies on a variable source of energy then be conservative and create new techniques and technology.. fuck i see a car that runs on compressed air and can replenished it supply of compressed air off the motion of it engine and brakes. In brazil they don't even have unleaded.. it's all ethanol and that only takes a replacement fuel line to run on any car/truck.
A. Most food isn't grown in the states specially out of season.. we import 65% of the fresh fruits, vegs and meat not including wheat.
B. when their a fire, natural disasters or war, the stock in food go's up and if it a import counties then the supply and demand is greater.
C. normal supply and demand issue.
and
D. Depends on the product but rarely and low stock causes a pike..
The gas issue is a supply and a tax issue.. when you import stuff they control your balls.
I blame the fact that the us govt pays farmer not to produce to the commercial market and the fact we rather pay more and relies on a variable source of energy then be conservative and create new techniques and technology.. fuck i see a car that runs on compressed air and can replenished it supply of compressed air off the motion of it engine and brakes. In brazil they don't even have unleaded.. it's all ethanol and that only takes a replacement fuel line to run on any car/truck.
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Jash2o2 wrote...
K-1 wrote...
Ron Paul is against abortion - big deal, it seems like most politicians are, if only because the people that bitch about it being legal are those that bitch the loudest. But now he's saying that he'll cut funding to Planned Parenthood because they do abortions, like so many other crazy politicians. How they somehow neglect the fact, despite being shown time and time again, that Planned Parenthood does more than just give abortions and that cutting its funding severely hurts the women that use it for health care and genuine help, I do not know. It must be pig-headedness.Also, a lot of people know about Ron Paul, but the majority of his supporters that I've met only like him because he says he's going to legalize weed. That seems like the stupidest reason to back a politician. When there are so many more important things, why worry about something as insignificant as marijuana? Yes, a lot of people are jailed due to weed-related crimes, but the state of the economy matters a hell of a lot more, and legalizing weed isn't going to single-handedly fix it.
Paul aside, I'm hoping Obama wins, if only because he's the only Democrat and most of the Republicans are fucking crazy and would only ruin this country further.
I don't support him because he is going to legalize marijuana. I do support that position but there is a lot more as to why I support Ron Paul and a big part of it is his justification for legalizing marijuana. He believes in liberty and that if we have our right to choose our religion then we should have a right to choose our own personal habits. If you do not defend liberty across the board then you are not defending liberty at all.
Dr.Paul also realizes that perhaps the biggest way to help our economy is to fix our foreign policy. The wars we are fighting in are pointless wars that are costing trillions. It doesn't help that we have hundreds of bases across the world. If we were to bring our troops home from all the bases we have across the globe and from the middle east we would save money and have more troops to dedicate to defending our borders. What do you know, 3 issues nearly solved simply be bringing our troops home.
The troops are stationed across the globe because they are stationed in key positions. Back on topic I want Obama to win instead of some of the nut jobs who are running for president.
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Well, to be honest, I'm not gonna vote, and I couldn't care who I wanted to become President. Every time election comes, all the canidates always say that they're gonna make big differences for our country and make it better, but when they get behind that desk, they have another agenda. I hate the fact that most of the money that these polititions use goes into advertising for out vote.
Heck, technically, our votes don't even matter. Our votes are put into the popular vote selection, which has virtually no say in the long run. The Electoral votes, which are the votes from the Senate and House of Representatives, are the ones that truely decide who becomes president. The Senate and House of representatives are suppost to base their votes on how the outcome of the popular votes, but they can chose not to, and vote for whoever they chose.
It's a system that a lot of people don't really know how it works, and I say it's a unfair system. Any questions, just quote me.
Heck, technically, our votes don't even matter. Our votes are put into the popular vote selection, which has virtually no say in the long run. The Electoral votes, which are the votes from the Senate and House of Representatives, are the ones that truely decide who becomes president. The Senate and House of representatives are suppost to base their votes on how the outcome of the popular votes, but they can chose not to, and vote for whoever they chose.
It's a system that a lot of people don't really know how it works, and I say it's a unfair system. Any questions, just quote me.
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dragonsheart967 wrote...
Well, to be honest, I'm not gonna vote, and I couldn't care who I wanted to become President. Every time election comes, all the canidates always say that they're gonna make big differences for our country and make it better, but when they get behind that desk, they have another agenda. I hate the fact that most of the money that these polititions use goes into advertising for out vote.Heck, technically, our votes don't even matter. Our votes are put into the popular vote selection, which has virtually no say in the long run. The Electoral votes, which are the votes from the Senate and House of Representatives, are the ones that truely decide who becomes president. The Senate and House of representatives are suppost to base their votes on how the outcome of the popular votes, but they can chose not to, and vote for whoever they chose.
It's a system that a lot of people don't really know how it works, and I say it's a unfair system. Any questions, just quote me.
I agree that most politicians have a hidden agenda and that the electoral system is terrible. I do, however, believe that Ron Paul doesn't have a hidden agenda. He campaigned in 2008 to spread his message, not to win. He got more support than he expected and this year he is in it to win it. Not to mention that the majority of his financial backing is from the public and not from major corporations like the rest of the candidates. That sounds like a man worthy of the presidency to me.
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Jash2o2 wrote...
dragonsheart967 wrote...
[spoil]Well, to be honest, I'm not gonna vote, and I couldn't care who I wanted to become President. Every time election comes, all the canidates always say that they're gonna make big differences for our country and make it better, but when they get behind that desk, they have another agenda. I hate the fact that most of the money that these polititions use goes into advertising for out vote.Heck, technically, our votes don't even matter. Our votes are put into the popular vote selection, which has virtually no say in the long run. The Electoral votes, which are the votes from the Senate and House of Representatives, are the ones that truely decide who becomes president. The Senate and House of representatives are suppost to base their votes on how the outcome of the popular votes, but they can chose not to, and vote for whoever they chose.
It's a system that a lot of people don't really know how it works, and I say it's a unfair system. Any questions, just quote me.
I agree that most politicians have a hidden agenda and that the electoral system is terrible. I do, however, believe that Ron Paul doesn't have a hidden agenda. He campaigned in 2008 to spread his message, not to win. He got more support than he expected and this year he is in it to win it. Not to mention that the majority of his financial backing is from the public and not from major corporations like the rest of the candidates. That sounds like a man worthy of the presidency to me.
Hmmmm, sounds a bit to promissing......
Well, he definitly sounds better than anything else. Not sure about his views though, so can't really make a honest opinion yet.
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Ron Paul is the only one that seems to have any new ideas. i wonder why the media seems so determined to ignore him.
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Mr.Shaggnificent wrote...
Ron Paul is the only one that seems to have any new ideas. i wonder why the media seems so determined to ignore him.Because they know he is the real front runner in the GOP race. They know that he is a threat to major corporations and big business which are exactly what control the mainstream media. They know that despite their efforts Ron Paul has still received more donations than any other candidate. They know that their only hope to keep Ron Paul from winning is to work their hardest to try and sell this notion that he is unelectable to the American people.
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Mr.Shaggnificent wrote...
Ron Paul is the only one that seems to have any new ideas. i wonder why the media seems so determined to ignore him.They aren't new. They've been espoused in libertarian and radical right circles for quite a while, hence the big support for Ron Paul among neo-Nazi groups like Stormfront.
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Cruz
Dope Stone Lion
>Ron Paul having a serious chancing of winning.
>LOL.
That being said I don't believe Dr.Paul is the best choice for President. Just because I agree with him for some things doesn't mean I'm going to disregard the rest.
Even if did get elected in to office he probably couldn't accomplish much.
I also believe the US shouldn't be 2 party system dominated.
Question to the OP....What is this Liberty that you speak of? And how is Ron Paul a bigger supported of said liberties? Most of your arguments seemed copy and pasted from a Ron Paul fan site.
>LOL.
That being said I don't believe Dr.Paul is the best choice for President. Just because I agree with him for some things doesn't mean I'm going to disregard the rest.
Even if did get elected in to office he probably couldn't accomplish much.
I also believe the US shouldn't be 2 party system dominated.
Question to the OP....What is this Liberty that you speak of? And how is Ron Paul a bigger supported of said liberties? Most of your arguments seemed copy and pasted from a Ron Paul fan site.
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I vote for Panda Neko since no one can blame something so cute for their problems.
Obama proposed bill doesnt pass Congress. Its Obama's fault and has nothing to do with opposition in House. When stuff like that happens it really makes me wonder if we are electing a figure-head that will talk big and will be blamed if things dont pan out in the House or Senate (where said figure-head has little control).
Obama proposed bill doesnt pass Congress. Its Obama's fault and has nothing to do with opposition in House. When stuff like that happens it really makes me wonder if we are electing a figure-head that will talk big and will be blamed if things dont pan out in the House or Senate (where said figure-head has little control).
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I'm sticking with the big O. And I'm with those who think Ron Paul is way out. He's not a loon persay, but his ideas are terrible.
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Voting a new president will change nothing. I love how people forget to consider the past when making decision for the future.
We have had presidents for how long? In that time, have we (we being both England and America) stopped war entirely? Have we invested the majority of our research funds into farming, therefore providing us with enough food to feed all of us (considering we are all human being and that is our damn well duty!)? Have we sent our excess goods to other countries which need it more, which will then develop them, which will stimulate the economy more than anything else? There are tons more important things to list, which I won't.
The answer, is no. The system sucks, no matter how you look at it. We are stagnating.
So can we please cut the bullshit now? Can we please stop being so damn well naive as to assume these election mean something?
We live in countries, run by corporations and large businesses who's only goal is to make money. How can you possibly think life will get better using this system? Our foundations have gotten us screwed from day one!
So what I am saying, is that this entire topic, and entire arguement, is pointless. You can talk about presidential/politcal party/government systems until your face goes blue. It's pointless, this isn't the solution and never will be. Stop wasting your time arguing over Tories vs labor vs lib dems, or democrats vs republicans... ITS ALL POINTLESS.
We live in a world, where people are so short sighted that they don't even see this, even though the evidence is EVERYWHERE. Geez and people ask me why I hate my own species, we are fucking idiots.
Just this once I don't care if people hate my post, say I am wrong, get offended and bla bla bla, because when I walk outside of my house, I see my point being made, I don't care about anything else.
We have had presidents for how long? In that time, have we (we being both England and America) stopped war entirely? Have we invested the majority of our research funds into farming, therefore providing us with enough food to feed all of us (considering we are all human being and that is our damn well duty!)? Have we sent our excess goods to other countries which need it more, which will then develop them, which will stimulate the economy more than anything else? There are tons more important things to list, which I won't.
The answer, is no. The system sucks, no matter how you look at it. We are stagnating.
So can we please cut the bullshit now? Can we please stop being so damn well naive as to assume these election mean something?
We live in countries, run by corporations and large businesses who's only goal is to make money. How can you possibly think life will get better using this system? Our foundations have gotten us screwed from day one!
So what I am saying, is that this entire topic, and entire arguement, is pointless. You can talk about presidential/politcal party/government systems until your face goes blue. It's pointless, this isn't the solution and never will be. Stop wasting your time arguing over Tories vs labor vs lib dems, or democrats vs republicans... ITS ALL POINTLESS.
We live in a world, where people are so short sighted that they don't even see this, even though the evidence is EVERYWHERE. Geez and people ask me why I hate my own species, we are fucking idiots.
Just this once I don't care if people hate my post, say I am wrong, get offended and bla bla bla, because when I walk outside of my house, I see my point being made, I don't care about anything else.
